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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 11, 2023 11:17:12 GMT -5
Heartbreaking when she mentions she doesn't get put onto posters and promo graphics often because when she does, the comments turn into vile shitshows of transphobia. Just an absolute f***ing hell time. And considering the current environment isn't in a good place for trans people right now, it makes matters so much worse. It's very reminiscent of the lavender scare back in the day, and it goes to show that we still have a long ways to go yet. It's a shame that people like Nyla are still treated as if they're subhuman trash. She's a great person and deserves so much better. To bring some positivity when it comes to comments about Nyla, just look at the comments when she joins Ethan Page toy hunts, and how popular she is. There are people that see how awesome she is.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 11, 2023 11:51:37 GMT -5
These people baffle me; they whine and moan and piss their pants about people who "can't work" or whatever the hell. These women come over from Japan, who've largely been part of a system that trains them better than what's usually been available in the US, and work really well. Their response to this is to...call them "schoolgirls" and make some of the dumbest @#$%ing race jokes imaginable?
There's a few takeaways a person can get from that, but for me the big one is that these people don't actually give a single solitary shit about how anyone "works", they just want wrestlers who look/speak the way they want to see and don't like anything that's outside that incredibly narrow lane. Beyond that they want an excuse to hate something, so they'll latch onto whatever they can get ("Oh, this promotion I'm going to performatively hate uses a lot of these foreign women? Easy target!"). And finally...Jesus Christ, have these guys ever seen an Asian person in real life before? Like, spare yourself looking at the kind of shit these people write towards wrestlers like Riho, but so much of it boils down to "haha, this girl is ASIAN, right, folks?" Maybe I just live someone with a little more diversity than that, but you get the vibe these people would see, say, a couple with a white husband and an Asian wife and not have any way to comprehend the idea.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 11, 2023 12:06:45 GMT -5
Frankly Jim Ross shouldn't even be calling matches with Asian women after the shit he pulled in the pre-Dynamite PPVs where he made full-on 'happy ending' jokes during a women's tag match. His 98 pounds stuff is approached in the most infantilizing way possible but honestly there'sd just no way to even excuse that he's still calling matches at all because he's a weirdo pig and you shouldn't have to get him to promise not to make demeaning sexual remarks about Asian women and be a good boy. I agree with the general point of him being a dinosaur that says awful shit, though I don't think he's necessarily trying to single her out with the 98 pounds thing so much as paint her as an underdog in a way that, yeah, still honestly is too infantilizing, same as his "more heart than brains" kinds of things he'd say about Crash Holly and other small guys. I just feel like he would never say he was X years old "when he weighed that" about a man. He just doesn't know how to talk about women in the way he needs to to do his job.
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Post by mc74 on Mar 11, 2023 12:14:36 GMT -5
And considering the current environment isn't in a good place for trans people right now, it makes matters so much worse. It's very reminiscent of the lavender scare back in the day, and it goes to show that we still have a long ways to go yet. It's a shame that people like Nyla are still treated as if they're subhuman trash. She's a great person and deserves so much better. To bring some positivity when it comes to comments about Nyla, just look at the comments when she joins Ethan Page toy hunts, and how popular she is. There are people that see how awesome she is. I wish there was more positivity in times like this. We need more of this and less hatred.
These people baffle me; they whine and moan and piss their pants about people who "can't work" or whatever the hell. These women come over from Japan, who've largely been part of a system that trains them better than what's usually been available in the US, and work really well. Their response to this is to...call them "schoolgirls" and make some of the dumbest @#$%ing race jokes imaginable? There's a few takeaways a person can get from that, but for me the big one is that these people don't actually give a single solitary shit about how anyone "works", they just want wrestlers who look/speak the way they want to see and don't like anything that's outside that incredibly narrow lane. Beyond that they want an excuse to hate something, so they'll latch onto whatever they can get ("Oh, this promotion I'm going to performatively hate uses a lot of these foreign women? Easy target!"). And finally...Jesus Christ, have these guys ever seen an Asian person in real life before? Like, spare yourself looking at the kind of shit these people write towards wrestlers like Riho, but so much of it boils down to "haha, this girl is ASIAN, right, folks?" Maybe I just live someone with a little more diversity than that, but you get the vibe these people would see, say, a couple with a white husband and an Asian wife and not have any way to comprehend the idea. I take it you've also seen similar comments that I've seen, where some idiots were saying shit like "Bringing in these schoolgirls is Kenny Olivier's idea. He'd love nothing more than to turn wrestling into an anime geekshow.". That was then followed by people making fun of Kenny's sex life. I regret ever coming across that.... -___-
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Mar 11, 2023 12:26:04 GMT -5
It's honestly this sort of shit that makes me not want to engage with wrestling more than any bad wrestling. The whole internet culture war - or to describe it properly, the online harassment and bullying of people who like or participate in the "wrong" wrestling - is gross and needs to end.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 11, 2023 12:38:16 GMT -5
These people baffle me; they whine and moan and piss their pants about people who "can't work" or whatever the hell. These women come over from Japan, who've largely been part of a system that trains them better than what's usually been available in the US, and work really well. Their response to this is to...call them "schoolgirls" and make some of the dumbest @#$%ing race jokes imaginable? There's a few takeaways a person can get from that, but for me the big one is that these people don't actually give a single solitary shit about how anyone "works", they just want wrestlers who look/speak the way they want to see and don't like anything that's outside that incredibly narrow lane. Beyond that they want an excuse to hate something, so they'll latch onto whatever they can get ("Oh, this promotion I'm going to performatively hate uses a lot of these foreign women? Easy target!"). And finally...Jesus Christ, have these guys ever seen an Asian person in real life before? Like, spare yourself looking at the kind of shit these people write towards wrestlers like Riho, but so much of it boils down to "haha, this girl is ASIAN, right, folks?" Maybe I just live someone with a little more diversity than that, but you get the vibe these people would see, say, a couple with a white husband and an Asian wife and not have any way to comprehend the idea. Away from wrestling it's the most socially acceptable form of racism. Even Cornette wouldn't get away with talking about black guys like he does Asian women. At the tamer end he says theres too many that all look alike in every company. It's like complaining wwe shouldnt employ the street profits because they already have the new day. I won't go into the even more offensive stuff but you can do the same with those. And completely agree on the other side of the point too, Joshi should be the antidote to many of their complaints if they had any consistency. There'd still be some complaints tbf, they'll say what their ideal promotion would be like to exclude women and end up basically describing noah but of course they won't watch that either, too Asian. I don't think they'd actually cope if a promotion actually did offer all they claim to want anyway. They'd rather hate than enjoy something.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 11, 2023 12:41:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately a lot of the abuse Riho also took was people making school girl fetish jokes which is something Cornette has pushed for a long time about her (and that she's sleeping with Kenny)
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Mar 11, 2023 12:48:07 GMT -5
Unfortunately a lot of the abuse Riho also took was people making school girl fetish jokes which is something Cornette has pushed for a long time about her (and that she's sleeping with Kenny) Oh yeah this one’s 100% on Cornette and his Jimcels.
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Post by lavelleuk22 on Mar 11, 2023 15:00:27 GMT -5
Taking out all the abuse, what was his actual criticism? Guessing her size?
For what it's worth I've noticed recently she shows absolutely no emotion in the ring and always seems to have the same face, but I couldn't imagine going out my way to abuse someone for that!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 11, 2023 15:54:29 GMT -5
Taking out all the abuse, what was his actual criticism? Guessing her size? For what it's worth I've noticed recently she shows absolutely no emotion in the ring and always seems to have the same face, but I couldn't imagine going out my way to abuse someone for that! The thing to me that crosses the line is he used to always make comments about her sleeping with Kenny and also made comments that she was the 9 year old girl Kenny wrestled in Japan (honestly I think those comments are the ones from Cornette that piss Kenny off) but he's also made comments about her and other joshis being around because people in AEW have a Japanese school girl fetish. You want to criticize someone for how they work fine, but especially with Riho Cornette has gone way overboard too much and a lot of his fans parrot what he says (because in fairness to Cornette this is the one time he didn't actually directly say somthing but it's more stuff he's said for awhile)
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 11, 2023 19:17:08 GMT -5
Like, can I take a moment to emphasize that these idiots literally use the "they all look alike" line? And, because that's not stupid enough, apparently all Japanese women look like "schoolgirls".
Ah yes, the "schoolgirl" physiques of, say, Hikaru Shida, or Asuka, or, I dunno, someone in Stardom like Mina Shirakawa. Totally don't look like grown-ass women, many of whom could probably knock the shit out of some chudly online "cult" members, right?
Oh, who am I kidding, every shitty piece of behavior and insult from people like this just about always ends up being projection in some form or another. So either they're deeply attracted to these women (no shit, they're gorgeous!) and ashamed of it (the hell is the matter with you?!), or...screw it, not even going to get into what it means when they levy some of their more overtly shameful insults on people, but it is just friggin' always projection with these people.
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Post by Legion on Mar 11, 2023 19:40:04 GMT -5
Same sort of crap that was targeted at Sarray.
People are scum.
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Post by mc74 on Mar 11, 2023 19:43:51 GMT -5
By that logic, I'm sure Bull Nakano looked like a schoogirl too....
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 11, 2023 19:45:17 GMT -5
By that logic, I'm sure Bull Nakano looked like a schoogirl too.... Aja Kong definitely looked like everyone else
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Post by Cyno on Mar 11, 2023 19:45:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately a lot of the abuse Riho also took was people making school girl fetish jokes which is something Cornette has pushed for a long time about her (and that she's sleeping with Kenny) Oh yeah this one’s 100% on Cornette and his Jimcels. Jimcels is a good one. Gonna put that in my back pocket. But yeah, all these scumbags are doing are reinforcing every single thing Kenny said on Swerve's podcast about the absolute amount of shit joshi put up with on this side of the Pacific. It's f***ing gross.
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Post by mc74 on Mar 11, 2023 19:46:34 GMT -5
By that logic, I'm sure Bull Nakano looked like a schoogirl too.... Aja Kong definitely looked like everyone else No doubt, lol.
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Post by mc74 on Mar 11, 2023 20:09:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah this one’s 100% on Cornette and his Jimcels. Jimcels is a good one. Gonna put that in my back pocket. But yeah, all these scumbags are doing are reinforcing every single thing Kenny said on Swerve's podcast about the absolute amount of shit joshi put up with on this side of the Pacific. It's f***ing gross. I've had a habit of coining them Camp Cornette, but Jimcels works better.
You can't help but to empathize with Kenny's disappointment though. Some of the best women's wrestling I've had the pleasure of watching featured joshi talent. To see them having to put up with this crap all the time is extremely frustrating.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 11, 2023 20:39:40 GMT -5
Jim Cornette should be blackballed from the wrestling industry. Glad his toadies are no longer skulking around here. He should have been blackballed after hitting Santino.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 11, 2023 20:44:06 GMT -5
Which is why I always said that the argument of " cornette is just acting" is pointless. If thay is the case he is willfully supporting and pushing harassment ,racism and sexism for money
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Post by jm on Mar 11, 2023 21:39:55 GMT -5
Oh yeah this one’s 100% on Cornette and his Jimcels. Jimcels is a good one. Gonna put that in my back pocket. I prefer to go with CAnon myself. But Jimcels is pretty good too.
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