agent817
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Post by agent817 on Mar 14, 2023 0:43:53 GMT -5
Okay, after contributing to the Outcasts thread on the AEW board, it made me think about when the WWF/E brought back the NWO in 2002, as well as when TNA tried to bring it back, only they couldn't use "NWO" or "New World Order." They were called "The Band."
Okay, in the poll, I think I have an idea on what will get more results, but I know some people had problems with the NWO in WWE. Personally, it was fine at the beginning when it was Hogan, Hall, and Nash. I did like how they set up the angles with Austin and The Rock, especially that bit with Hogan taking the semi and ramming it into the ambulance. But after Wrestlemania, Hogan reverted back to the red and yellow. Then we had X-Pac join the NWO, and then Big Show, then Shawn Michaels, and then Booker T. Okay, at least X-Pac and Big Show were members of the NWO in WCW, so I'll give them that. But Booker T and Shawn Michaels? I know Booker was a WCW alum but he wasn't a part of the NWO, his brother was (and even to this day, I was like "why?"). Shawn Michaels, well, I guess it's because of his friendship with Nash, Waltman, and Hall, but that's about as far as I could go as to why he was a member.
Then you have TNA, which I can't really say much because I wasn't following it during 2010. All I know is that Nash, Hall, and Waltman were members. I just read that Eric Young was a member, as well as Sting and D'Angelo Dinero. They even had Bubba the Love Sponge as a member. If anybody has any insight on this, feel free to discuss.
So which did you think was sadder?
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Post by john84 on Mar 14, 2023 0:50:11 GMT -5
WWE mostly because I had a higher expectation at the time. TNA I basically just skipped past most of their NWO bits and concentrated on other stuff at the time.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 14, 2023 0:58:40 GMT -5
Both sucked, but let's be real, one had the actual nWo name and the OG three, and the other was called "The Band" and had Bubba the Love Sponge. This isn't even remotely close.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Mar 14, 2023 1:11:15 GMT -5
The Band existed for like 3 weeks, none of them could wrestle anymore, and was in the midcard behind the 200 other factions in TNA at the time. Like who on earth is voting for that?
The nWo in 2002 had two big marquee matches at Mania
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Post by Andee9001 on Mar 14, 2023 1:26:28 GMT -5
The TNA version was worse. At the very least doing the NWO in 2002 in the WWE was a decent enough idea. Nash, Hall and Pac weren't in their prime but could still at the very least wrestle until injuries and demons got in the way.
By 2010 you had a checked out, injury laden Nash and Hall and Pac had both 8 more years of demons that took their toll. This included ruining multiple chances with the company. Yet in spite of this TNA management STILL thought The Band was a good idea. Plus it had Bubba in it.
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 14, 2023 8:09:11 GMT -5
Neither turned out to be much, but the WWE version had potential to be something.
The Band was nothing but crippled old men doing things they were too old to be doing when they did it the first time.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Mar 14, 2023 16:07:12 GMT -5
the Dixie Carter era of tna/impact had a nasty habit of signing ex wwe wrestlers with little to no thought of what to do with them after the initial "those guy's up north had no clue/treated me like crap" promo (Kurt Angle, Christian, the Dudleys seemed to be the main ones who escaped this.) and signing ex wwe stars just so they could say they had them in the company.
having the original nwo trio was the later, though Nash did manage to do something entertaining.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Mar 14, 2023 17:32:01 GMT -5
They were both rubbish, but the WWE one was at least a bit surprising and interesting before becoming rubbish, and was only a couple of years removed from the last WCW incarnation and there was still just about a few tangible remnants intact from that era. The Band was not only rubbish but also came along when the culture that gave rise to the NWO had been dead and buried for years and it just made no sense for it to exist, so just smacked of laziness and a pathetic attempt on the part of a few old wrestlers to relive their glory years.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Mar 14, 2023 23:13:15 GMT -5
TNA, and it's not even close. Lame name. Bubba the Ass Sponge Lasted a cup of coffee. The next poll should be: What do you like more? A. Ice Cream B. Being cremated
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Post by Fade on Mar 14, 2023 23:22:50 GMT -5
If the question is “which is sadder?”, honestly personally, WWE’s version. Just cuz ALL the hype and fantasy booking beforehand. That was dreammatch stuff and the OG were there for a cup of coffee, and then it withered to the hbk booker t thing. And Vince just killed it.
TNA’s was sort of funny at that point. Barely mattered.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 15, 2023 5:25:17 GMT -5
TNA: I mean the group was over done in WCW. WWE 02 They where pretty much washed up but at less in shape. TNA almost 10 years later. Hall was on his last leg to even wrestle and was a mess. Nash was broken down and Syxx was older and not what he once was.
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Post by repomark on Mar 15, 2023 7:05:20 GMT -5
The wwe version was hampered by Nash repeatedly getting injured and Hall getting sacked. I still think they jumped the gun by turning Hogan face after WM18 but can see why - but that effectively killed it. They also should never have had both Hall and Hogan lose at WM18 if they wanted to build them up as a credible force that was going to take over. Austin and Rock already established they were better - what was there to build to after that?
TNA’s version was hampered by Bubba the love sponge. I didn’t even watch it, but feel that sentence is enough to form an opinion on it.
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Post by sportatorium on Mar 15, 2023 10:52:52 GMT -5
Bubba the love sponge jumping on beatdowns killed any credibility "The Band" may have had. Also Scott Hall's promo referencing "sold out arenas" in the Universal Impact Zone only added to the cosplay for me.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 15, 2023 10:58:25 GMT -5
The Band going to Eric Young once Waltman left was hilarious:
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 15, 2023 12:24:22 GMT -5
TNA's was sadder for how pathetic it was but WWE's was more disappointing because it actually had hope. I remember as a kid getting chills watching that promo when Vince turned around in his chair and revealed the NWO logo then being so excited for their debut at No Way Out. The beatdown on Rock the next night was great too but it all fell apart so quick between Hogan being forced to turn face, Nash's injuries and Hall getting fired.
I was expecting them to dominate for 6-12 months and get a whole bunch of dream matches out of it. Rock/Hogan was great and all but I was also hoping for stuff like Austin/Hogan, Outsiders v Taker/Kane, a big WWF v NWO war games or Survivor Series match and Outsiders v HHH/HBK eventually too.
It's crazy that with all the hype it had the NWO in WWF angle only lasted literally one month, from No Way Out on Feb 17 to Wrestlemania on March 17. A similar thing happened the year before when the big angle was supposed to be the Two-Man Power Trip and that also had to be cut short and only lasted a month and a half.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Mar 15, 2023 13:47:46 GMT -5
The Band going to Eric Young once Waltman left was hilarious: AFTER RUINING DUDE'S LIFE FOR A MONTH 😭
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Mar 15, 2023 13:51:01 GMT -5
WWE's was sad and TNA's was pathetic, is how I would put it.
The Lapsed Fan's ongoing "Total Nonstop Hogan" podcast deep dive has convinced me that 2010 TNA is the most pathetic thing to ever happen in any wrestling company, ever.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 15, 2023 18:39:55 GMT -5
I think nWo 2002 was more disappointing because people were actually expecting something good from it.
"The Band" from TNA was like, having a reunion tour but only two of the original band members show up and the rest are people he found off the street to play alongside them. And for legal reasons, they have to use a legally distinct name.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 15, 2023 18:42:48 GMT -5
The Band going to Eric Young once Waltman left was hilarious: AFTER RUINING DUDE'S LIFE FOR A MONTH 😭 Seriously... it was Nash and Eric are a tag team... Hall and Waltman show up trying to get Nash to join them again... Nash says no. they have a match Nash turns on Eric... Eric and the Band feud (basically Eric gets his ass kicked constantly) Eric suddenly joins the Band...
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Post by Starshine on Mar 15, 2023 20:19:38 GMT -5
TNA was undeniably sadder. At least WWE's NWO was the NWO, and only a few years removed from the original concept. It was worth a shot.
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