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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 22, 2023 18:30:26 GMT -5
Ya need people like Kip, Butcher, and Blade on tv. Do they win on Rampage or Dynamite? No, are they treated like complete jokes during the match? No. Do they deserve more? I do wish Butcher and Kip got more wins sure as I think they've put the work in (never been a fan of Blade)
But even if they don't win, the crowd doesn't go quiet when they're on tv.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 18:33:04 GMT -5
Sabian and Butcher and Blade still win a lot of matches, they lose on TV but they're still generally protected I feel like there's too much of an obsession with this stuff tbh, having the other shows so present showing they can still have dominant wins is important for presentation imo. There are just stronger fighters when you move up the card and it shows how hard it is to get Dynamite/Rampage wins, it makes it almost its own mini accolade. Also getting on Kip for his last TV win being 2021 is dumb when he was out for like an entire year, he's had like 3 or 4 overall TV matches since coming back We understand you feel like there is an obsession with it but from my perspective it's an actual issue with the way people are presented in AEW. I don't watch Dark or Evolution. Kip and them do not win and have really never won much of anything on televised shows that mean anything so in turn it's hard for me to care for them even when i want to in Kip's case. AEW has not established that Dark or Evolution mean anything other than to gain experience. There is a subset of the audience that does feel this way and is used to only consuming wrestling on TV for a variety of reasons and 47 dark wins mean nothing to me if they lose week in and week out on the main televised shows.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 22, 2023 18:34:53 GMT -5
Sabian and Butcher and Blade still win a lot of matches, they lose on TV but they're still generally protected I feel like there's too much of an obsession with this stuff tbh, having the other shows so present showing they can still have dominant wins is important for presentation imo. There are just stronger fighters when you move up the card and it shows how hard it is to get Dynamite/Rampage wins, it makes it almost its own mini accolade. Also getting on Kip for his last TV win being 2021 is dumb when he was out for like an entire year, he's had like 3 or 4 overall TV matches since coming back We understand YOU feel like there is an obsession with it but from my perspective it's an actual issue with the way people are presented in AEW. I don't watch Dark or Evolution. Kip and them do not win and have really never won much of anything on televised shows that mean anything. AEW has not established that Dark or Evolution mean anything other than to gain experience. There is a subset of the audience that does feel this way and is used to only consuming wrestling on TV for a variety of reasons and 47 dark wins mean nothing to me if they lose week in and week out on the main televised shows. I'm gonna back him up. There absolutely is a normal case where the same people always voice this concern if not weekly almost every week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 18:35:42 GMT -5
We understand YOU feel like there is an obsession with it but from my perspective it's an actual issue with the way people are presented in AEW. I don't watch Dark or Evolution. Kip and them do not win and have really never won much of anything on televised shows that mean anything. AEW has not established that Dark or Evolution mean anything other than to gain experience. There is a subset of the audience that does feel this way and is used to only consuming wrestling on TV for a variety of reasons and 47 dark wins mean nothing to me if they lose week in and week out on the main televised shows. I'm gonna back him up. There absolutely is a normal case where the same people always voice this concern if not weekly almost every week. oh well this is my first time...and i want to see them win damnit haha
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 22, 2023 18:39:05 GMT -5
More positivity: Got a promotion and a $2 an hour raise. So I'm in a damn good mood to watch some wrestling
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 18:40:32 GMT -5
More positivity: Got a promotion and a $2 an hour raise. So I'm in a damn good mood to watch some wrestling congrats that could be game changing!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 22, 2023 18:42:22 GMT -5
More positivity: Got a promotion and a $2 an hour raise. So I'm in a damn good mood to watch some wrestling GET THAT MONEY!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 22, 2023 18:43:16 GMT -5
The thing about that squash is Kip literally used it to Mock Orange and beat them with the Orange Punch, right after he just watched Orange and Trent wrestle and was on commentary for the whole thing So it was more than nothing imo Sure, I remember thinking it served its purpose, I just mean it was a nothing match in the sense he hit a few moves and won, a squash that was over in the blink of an eye, where the other matches that night were back and forth matches you'd be more likely to remember True, though Rampage usually has a squash a show, or a shorter match. They did try and get him more over though as a challenger, Butcher had a Rampage win of the same sort of idea
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Mar 22, 2023 18:49:20 GMT -5
Hypnosis, Celexa Bliss 54 and I aren't here to make friends tonight, we're here to TAKE OVER. *We spray paint the thread*
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Mar 22, 2023 18:50:29 GMT -5
I'm currently working on rewriting a truncated version of my Wrestling Wars fantasy booking. It's going well so far, so that's positive!
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Post by mystermystery on Mar 22, 2023 18:51:55 GMT -5
Good feelings: I'm on Vacation.
Bad feelings: I've been sick all week.
Good feelings: I don't have a fever so I may be able to watch the show for the first time in a while since I normally have no access to cable TV.
Bad feelings: I just took medicine that may make me go to sleep...wait...why was I posting this? Something...
Anwyay...yeah, because of my lack of cable, most of my exposure to AEW is Dark/Elevation so I love Butcher and the Blade and Kip and the majority of midcarders who get to shine on those shows.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 18:54:52 GMT -5
Genuinely curious at this point have there been any title changes on Dark or Evolution? I mean it's obviously got a loyal fanbase and I know the perception I have that those people that win exclusively there are new age jobbers is unfair but there has to be a better way to portray what is going on
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Mar 22, 2023 18:56:24 GMT -5
5 minutes before the start of the show and the TNT Championship has already changed hands 10 times.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Mar 22, 2023 18:57:11 GMT -5
5 minutes before the start of the show and the TNT Championship has already changed hands 10 times.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 22, 2023 18:57:29 GMT -5
Genuinely curious at this point have there been any title changes on Dark or Evolution? I mean it's obviously got a loyal fanbase and I know the perception I have that those people that win exclusively there are new age jobbers is unfair but there has to be a better way to portray what is going on There have been title matches and Qualifier/Eliminators, I don't think a title has ever changed hands on the actual show But there are great matches there every week that essentially work to get people contracts and get higher on cards. We have Will Hobbs, Willow Nightengale, Chaos Project, Abadon, and more because of DARK matches, so it's definitely helped serve a purpose They recap moments from DARK and Elevation as well if it translates to a storyline going on with the main shows, really at this point DARK is worth seeing for Athena's matches alone, they stand out from everything else, she's killing it... sometimes literally lol
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 22, 2023 18:57:55 GMT -5
Hypnosis , Celexa Bliss 54 and I aren't here to make friends tonight, we're here to TAKE OVER. *We spray paint the thread* Spray Paint my ass so I can do a deadlier attack!
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Mar 22, 2023 18:58:02 GMT -5
5 minutes before the start of the show and the TNT Championship has already changed hands 10 times. Mark Briscoe as AEW's R-Truth.
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Post by bob on Mar 22, 2023 18:58:08 GMT -5
IT'S WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!
BIG BANG THEORY STILL SUCKS
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Mar 22, 2023 18:58:29 GMT -5
5 minutes before the start of the show and the TNT Championship has already changed hands 10 times. You just reminded me I have to fabricate an insane list of Hardcore Title changes for my updated fantasy booking lol
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 22, 2023 18:58:37 GMT -5
Genuinely curious at this point have there been any title changes on Dark or Evolution? I mean it's obviously got a loyal fanbase and I know the perception I have that those people that win exclusively there are new age jobbers is unfair but there has to be a better way to portray what is going on There have not been, but there have also not been title matches in general outside of international All Atlantic defenses and the occasional foreign title being defended. As far as perception...I just don't know what more could be done, because bigger names seem to make a bigger difference in viewership than competitive matches, and there's a natural tapering off of name value once all the Dynamite and Rampage slots have been filled, and ultimately the viewership seemed to level off anyway. I think it's reasonable to say that AEW wants these shows to be some kind of success (and honestly, they do great numbers for a Youtube livestream and its VOD), and that they're putting appropriate resources into that without trying too hard to make fetch happen.
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