Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 31, 2023 5:05:30 GMT -5
To be fair Pathfinder was in the works as soon as 4th edition was announced. Even if it had been a massive success Pathfinder would have existed. Now the fact that 4th sucked (IMO) allowed Pathfinder to thrive. And is now booming because of what happened with your second point. Whatever people think of the system itself, it was extremely unpopular compared to 3.X before and 5E afterwards. WOTC botched everything 4E so badly because of greed.
The stupid thing is they almost did the same exact thing AGAIN recently with the OGL. I swear these corpos have collective memories of an amnesiac.
It's a Hasbro issue, it seems. 5th is an enormous success, but Hasbro seems to be trying to be trying to increase their profit margins to possibly damaging levels for their longterm fan good will. It's happening with Marvel Legends and Star Wars Black, too, with prices going up and unfortunately blatant corners being cut in some cases, since I think Hasbro's gotten complacent, since McFarlane toys and Mattel used to be far behind them. Even if Hasbro's probably still top dog in quality, that gap is narrowing. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 31, 2023 5:53:04 GMT -5
Whatever people think of the system itself, it was extremely unpopular compared to 3.X before and 5E afterwards. WOTC botched everything 4E so badly because of greed.
The stupid thing is they almost did the same exact thing AGAIN recently with the OGL. I swear these corpos have collective memories of an amnesiac.
It's a Hasbro issue, it seems. 5th is an enormous success, but Hasbro seems to be trying to be trying to increase their profit margins to possibly damaging levels for their longterm fan good will. It's happening with Marvel Legends and Star Wars Black, too, with prices going up and unfortunately blatant corners being cut in some cases, since I think Hasbro's gotten complacent, since McFarlane toys and Mattel used to be far behind them. Even if Hasbro's probably still top dog in quality, that gap is narrowing. Yuuuup. Same reason Magic sells an ungodly amount of new product every year. They're milking a fanbase that runs on FOMO for all its worth. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 31, 2023 6:14:47 GMT -5
It's a Hasbro issue, it seems. 5th is an enormous success, but Hasbro seems to be trying to be trying to increase their profit margins to possibly damaging levels for their longterm fan good will. It's happening with Marvel Legends and Star Wars Black, too, with prices going up and unfortunately blatant corners being cut in some cases, since I think Hasbro's gotten complacent, since McFarlane toys and Mattel used to be far behind them. Even if Hasbro's probably still top dog in quality, that gap is narrowing. Yuuuup. Same reason Magic sells an ungodly amount of new product every year. They're milking a fanbase that runs on FOMO for all its worth. The current nadir of that is the upcoming Lord of the Rings set having that special limited edition version of the One Ring card that will be printed in Elvish that has exactly one copy being printed, and it is being given out via the North American English release of their special, more expensive, collectors booster packs. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 31, 2023 6:42:54 GMT -5
Atari treated developers like crap so they left to form Activision and create third party developers as a concept.
Clive Sinclair wouldn't let Chris Curry develop microcomputers at Sinclair Radionics, so he founded Acorn, destroyed all hopes of Sinclair computers gaining a foothold in education, and they went on to spawn ARM, whose chips are in everything now.
Atari passed on releasing the NES under license and got curbstomped by Nintendo when they did it themselves.
The PC story is the king of this though, IBM cannibalised their mainframe biz with a more affordable solution which they list control of due to using off the shelf parts and licensing an OS. Digital research, the kings of microcomputer OSes at the time declined their offer so Microsoft bought one, retained the ability to license it to others so they ate DR, helped the rise of PC clones as Dos compatibility became the standard, rather than IBM. Intel made the mistake of doing a cross licensing deal with little known clone maker, AMD, for all x86 technology so they could act as a second source of chips for military contracts, and lived to regret it.
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Post by castletonsnob on Mar 31, 2023 12:52:05 GMT -5
Atari passed on releasing the NES under license and got curbstomped by Nintendo when they did it themselves. Atari was so badly run that I doubt they would still be in business even if they DID release the NES under license. Knowing Atari, they would have probably botched the release of the NES, and caused it to flop. You thought Sega was badly run in the 90s? They had NOTHING on Atari. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 31, 2023 16:15:10 GMT -5
The PC Engine was developed by Hudson as a better NES and pitched to Nintendo as their follow up, and Nintendo declined, which lead to them going to NEC. Atari passed on releasing the NES under license and got curbstomped by Nintendo when they did it themselves. Atari was so badly run that I doubt they would still be in business even if they DID release the NES under license. Knowing Atari, they would have probably botched the release of the NES, and caused it to flop. You thought Sega was badly run in the 90s? They had NOTHING on Atari. There's even some overlap. Bernie Stolar, the man responsible for killing the Saturn and Sega's third party support and fought against JRPGs getting western releases came from Atari where he oversaw the Lynx. Shocking, I know. |
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 31, 2023 16:22:14 GMT -5
There's a reason why the Crash of 1983 happened and why I think calling it the Video Game Crash is a serious misnomer: it was all Atari's incompetence. Computer and arcade gaming flourished as Atari stumbled through bad decision after bad decision. The only reason why the crash seemed to effect the whole industry is because of Atari's dominance in the console side of things. Coleco, Mattel, etc. couldn't compete. The moment a competent company put out a system that looked far and away better than anything they put out (Nintendo's Famicom, which became the NES outside Japan), the console market quickly corrected itself.
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Post by castletonsnob on Mar 31, 2023 17:30:54 GMT -5
Microsoft offered to buy Nintendo back in 2000, and Nintendo laughed in their faces.
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 31, 2023 17:35:14 GMT -5
Microsoft was always going to get into the video game console business, though, so I wouldn't consider that Nintendo creating its own competition. They just wanted Nintendo games to be a part of the Xbox's first party offering of games.
And considering the runaway success of the GBA, Wii, Switch, DS, and 3DS and how Xbox console sales continue to struggle in Japan, Nintendo's probably still laughing about it.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 31, 2023 18:07:28 GMT -5
Microsoft offered to buy Nintendo back in 2000, and Nintendo laughed in their faces. Prior to that, Microsoft were worried about the Playstation's success and it's impact on home PCs so approached Sony to make the dev tools for the Playstation 2 but were declined. Sega also gave MS a foot in the door in console gaming, letting them provide the OS for the Dreamcast. Had Sega lasted a few years longer as a hardware maker they'd have been in direct competition. |
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