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Post by Venti on Feb 4, 2024 12:00:26 GMT -5
Y'know, as disappointed as Cody must have been about this turn of events(obviously judging by how he looked on Smackdown) it must at least feel pretty damn good to have this much of the wrestling world backing you like this.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 4, 2024 12:00:35 GMT -5
Kind of surprised they didn’t do something that would have actually led to more viewers and money like booking Rock vs. Roman for the first Raw on Netflix next January. They could have announced it right after Mania, sold out a stadium, and launched WWE on Netflix with a huge show and draw. Adding Rock to this already sold Mania may increase some sponsorship revenue and maybe spike ratings somewhat when he shows up to TV, but it does seem shortsighted. Unless of course it’s a schedule thing and Rock doesn’t anticipate being available next year.
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Post by Fade on Feb 4, 2024 12:00:58 GMT -5
Its crazy the rock hates taylor swift, I dunno what she did in all of this but color me intrigued.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2024 12:00:59 GMT -5
I find it kind of funny how much the visual on its own and how it fit in the Monster video has elevated that Yes Movement segment because I remember the consensus when it was happening was, "Holy shit that segment was stupid but at least they did it."
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 4, 2024 12:02:26 GMT -5
Another thing that sticks out to me is all that crowing that was done by guys like Heyman about how they’re in the “fourth inning of the story” or whatever and…there is no story! Outside of Sami’s run with the group, it’s just the same stuff on repeat every time! Maybe he said it slightly in character, but combined with them apparently having tons of creative control over this title run, it brings me back to what I said before: this promotion is focused on characters who fit certain molds and archetypes, not stories. It’s an environment where the journey means very, very little, while everything is focused on the destination (e.g. Mania being the only show that *really* matters, more focusing always being on who won/lost and not *how* things happened, etc.). I think that was the WWE’s thing before Triple H (character over story), but Triple H tells pretty good stories with actual storyline progression and character development, and he does it up and down the card. This isn’t the same WWE. Cody has had a story this year with occasional references to Roman and finishing the story (they are on different shows). Shoehorning Rock into the main event though is definitely a “same old WWE” type of Vince move though. |
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Post by Stu on Feb 4, 2024 12:02:38 GMT -5
Also Conrad: The Rock is not an asshole. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, an asshole, but he is NOT a porn star! |
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Post by Dub H on Feb 4, 2024 12:03:13 GMT -5
Its crazy the rock hates taylor swift, I dunno what she did in all of this but color me intrigued. There is no relation.(I think) Someone just posted that Cody is a big taylor swift fan so the Swift Community would spam it on twitter.Which is pretty dumb IMO to do something like that |
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Post by Fade on Feb 4, 2024 12:04:02 GMT -5
Its crazy the rock hates taylor swift, I dunno what she did in all of this but color me intrigued. There is no relation.(I think) Someone just posted that Cody is a big taylor swift fan so the Swift Community would spam it on twitter.Which is pretty dumb IMO to do something like that I was playing along |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 4, 2024 12:04:06 GMT -5
I love the "Rock is a big star why shouldn't he do that" because every moment WWE has had since The Rock last main evented sits as this really amazing case study in how, if you never actually let someone main event, they will never rise to the level of the stars you keep calling in to bump them out of their spot. Like, The Rock did not get so big because Hogan, Warrior, Savage, and Piper were all rushed in to take his place. He got so big from having big storylines and marquee matches against his contemporaries. By the time he had the match with Hogan, he was a multi-time world champion and had already starred in The Scorpion King. He was allowed to become a big star, and all these industry genius smart boys like Conrad who defend it don't really process that the fact that they can't get another Rock in a guy like Cody entirely because they keep doing this junk
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Post by Dub H on Feb 4, 2024 12:05:05 GMT -5
There is no relation.(I think) Someone just posted that Cody is a big taylor swift fan so the Swift Community would spam it on twitter.Which is pretty dumb IMO to do something like that I was playing along Well woosh on me  . Still dumb,reminds me at least when people on my country try to weaponize the K-Pop account that just spam hashtags |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2024 12:07:08 GMT -5
Triple H tells pretty good stories with actual storyline progression and character development Citation needed. The closest thing I can think of is, "Sami and Jey feel super bad about Roman kicking the shit out of people the first 827 times but do something about it the 828th, that makes them good now!", and even that I feel like is totally undone by, "Jimmy wants Jey to turn on Roman, he did, now Jimmy wants to stop Jey from being like Roman, now Jimmy likes Roman again," and a lot of what he does in the meantime is just aimless fluff. Triple H completely sucks as a writer, he just generally cares slightly more about moment-to-moment continuity than Vince does. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 4, 2024 12:08:25 GMT -5
I love the "Rock is a big star why shouldn't he do that" because every moment WWE has had since The Rock last main evented sits as this really amazing case study in how, if you never actually let someone main event, they will never rise to the level of the stars you keep calling in to bump them out of their spot. Like, The Rock did not get so big because Hogan, Warrior, Savage, and Piper were all rushed in to take his place. He got so big from having big storylines and marquee matches against his contemporaries. By the time he had the match with Hogan, he was a multi-time world champion and had already starred in The Scorpion King. He was allowed to become a big star, and all these industry genius smart boys like Conrad who defend it don't really process that the fact that they can't get another Rock in a guy like Cody entirely because they keep doing this junk I will say that at least in this case, Cody is already a made star and a top guy even without having won a world title. The promotion is built around him. That being said, The Rock coming in after Cody has won the Rumble is narratively awful. |
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 4, 2024 12:10:17 GMT -5
Triple H tells pretty good stories with actual storyline progression and character development Citation needed. The closest thing I can think of is, "Sami and Jey feel super bad about Roman kicking the shit out of people the first 827 times but feel bad the 828th, that makes them good now!", and even that I feel like is totally undone by, "Jimmy wants Jey to turn on Roman, he did, now Jimmy wants to stop Jey from being like Roman, now Jimmy likes Roman again," and a lot of what he does in the meantime is just aimless fluff. Triple H completely sucks as a writer, he just generally cares slightly more about moment-to-moment continuity than Vince does. Triple H doesn’t know how to END stories. He just wants to DRAG them out indefinitely and they move at a glacial pace most of the time. He could have avoided all of this if he had just let Cody win last year. But no, he just had to try and stretch it out another full year. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2024 12:11:36 GMT -5
I love the "Rock is a big star why shouldn't he do that" because every moment WWE has had since The Rock last main evented sits as this really amazing case study in how, if you never actually let someone main event, they will never rise to the level of the stars you keep calling in to bump them out of their spot. Like, The Rock did not get so big because Hogan, Warrior, Savage, and Piper were all rushed in to take his place. He got so big from having big storylines and marquee matches against his contemporaries. By the time he had the match with Hogan, he was a multi-time world champion and had already starred in The Scorpion King. He was allowed to become a big star, and all these industry genius smart boys like Conrad who defend it don't really process that the fact that they can't get another Rock in a guy like Cody entirely because they keep doing this junk It's a weird example to remind me of, I guess since I'm replaying Spirit of Justice, but it makes me think of Ace Attorney. Woo, fourth game, Apollo Justice, all in on a new protagonist! ... But we don't have faith that'll sell so let's still make the actual thrust of the narrative entirely center around Phoenix Wright, have you spend almost the entirety of the endgame playing as him, and give Apollo virtually no backstory or defining characterization. End result, at the time the worst-selling game in the series, the series went dormant for years, and when they did bring it back they hastily shoved Apollo as in the corner as they could get away with and centered everything around Phoenix again. And even when they put Apollo front and center in the narrative in SoJ and finally fleshed him out they still had to market it entirely around Phoenix. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 4, 2024 12:12:02 GMT -5
I love the "Rock is a big star why shouldn't he do that" because every moment WWE has had since The Rock last main evented sits as this really amazing case study in how, if you never actually let someone main event, they will never rise to the level of the stars you keep calling in to bump them out of their spot. Like, The Rock did not get so big because Hogan, Warrior, Savage, and Piper were all rushed in to take his place. He got so big from having big storylines and marquee matches against his contemporaries. By the time he had the match with Hogan, he was a multi-time world champion and had already starred in The Scorpion King. He was allowed to become a big star, and all these industry genius smart boys like Conrad who defend it don't really process that the fact that they can't get another Rock in a guy like Cody entirely because they keep doing this junk I will say that at least in this case, Cody is already a made star and a top guy even without having won a world title. The promotion is built around him. That being said, The Rock coming in after Cody has won the Rumble is narratively awful. Cody's a made guy, but until he has his big moment i don't think his mark is genuinely etched into anything. If Cody gets injured right now, history won't look back on him like he was a top guy, it'll look back on the broadness of his career and him leaving, building something else, and coming back. To get to the level of the kind of Rock-level megastar that he could well have a chance at being, I think he needs these moments and he needs to have something going for him. John Cena in 2006 could have been considered 'made' after the Edge feud, I don't think he'd hold up to half of what he has now if they pushed him down the card and we got Elijah Burke for the next decade. I've long held that WWE is going to run into a real problem when their nostalgia acts dry up because they've done such a poor job at building up who they have now that they won't have a crutch. Too many people are going to be nostalgia acts in the way Carlito is a nostalgia act, and Carlito is not a dude who can "save" a Wrestlemania. Cody needs that spot and he needs that win, and then he needs a good deal after that, and if they give him that, maybe he can be The Rock too. |
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Post by khali on Feb 4, 2024 12:13:10 GMT -5
Another thing that sticks out to me is all that crowing that was done by guys like Heyman about how they’re in the “fourth inning of the story” or whatever and…there is no story! Outside of Sami’s run with the group, it’s just the same stuff on repeat every time! Maybe he said it slightly in character, but combined with them apparently having tons of creative control over this title run, it brings me back to what I said before: this promotion is focused on characters who fit certain molds and archetypes, not stories. It’s an environment where the journey means very, very little, while everything is focused on the destination (e.g. Mania being the only show that *really* matters, more focus always being on who won/lost and not *how* things happened, etc.). To be fair to Heyman, as a Pittsburgh Pirates fan this still does feel how innings of a bad baseball game go. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 4, 2024 12:14:31 GMT -5
Triple H tells pretty good stories with actual storyline progression and character development Citation needed. The closest thing I can think of is, "Sami and Jey feel super bad about Roman kicking the shit out of people the first 827 times but feel bad the 828th, that makes them good now!", and even that I feel like is totally undone by, "Jimmy wants Jey to turn on Roman, he did, now Jimmy wants to stop Jey from being like Roman, now Jimmy likes Roman again," and a lot of what he does in the meantime is just aimless fluff. Triple H completely sucks as a writer, he just generally cares slightly more about moment-to-moment continuity than Vince does. Pick a character and you can track the progression they’ve had under Triple H. Just a few: Sami and Jey of course, and the whole Bloodline last winter was probably the peak of it. Dom’s whole story from being with Rey and then the big turn and progression since then. Santos’ story with the LWO to where he is now. Drew’s progression in the last 6 months has been very good. Kaiser and Vinci’s dynamic and evolution lately. I liked Shinsuke’s progression and story with Seth (even with him losing in the end). Even lower card stories like with Maxine and Alpha Academy. Damage CTRL in the last few months. The turning of Miz into a face that the crowd actually likes. |
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Post by DichEvans on Feb 4, 2024 12:14:49 GMT -5
Rock posted a slideshow of POSITIVE fan reactions. So he's seen the internet's reaction and cherry picked the reactions he did like and reshared them to give the impression everyone is really excited about this. Like dude...  |
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Post by schma on Feb 4, 2024 12:14:57 GMT -5
So, when Roman beats Rock, what are the odds that Damian Priest hands him the money in the bank briefcase so Rock can try again? That would make just about as much sense as this.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 4, 2024 12:15:41 GMT -5
podcaster who sells mortgages is not the sort of person you want going to bat for you re whether you're an asshole
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. Still dumb,reminds me at least when people on my country try to weaponize the K-Pop account that just spam hashtags
