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Post by asuka007 on Apr 3, 2023 11:23:27 GMT -5
There’s a damaging trend amongst creators these days, and it’s NOT just wrestling bookers, it’s creators in general.
They believe that they cannot do the logical thing because it’s “too obvious.” Like a “surprise” is automatically better simply BECAUSE it’s a surprise.
And that is NOT the case.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 3, 2023 11:53:16 GMT -5
Doesn't feel so good, does it? I always try to comment on posts and not the poster, so I’m not sure what the deal is with that? If me expressing opinions on WWE in a positive light is detracting from everyone’s experience so much then I’ll scale it back. (And I said I would’ve booked Cody to win!) I will just say, I do think it's unfair for you to get piled on for having a different opinion about a relatively subjective experience of watching wrestling. There are very few "facts" about enjoying wrestling so hopefully, you keep posting your thoughts and don't get discouraged. Of course, racism/discrimination/misogyny should be punished but being positive about WWE or having a more optimistic mindset isn't something that needs dogpiling on. And this is coming from someone who would have booked Asuka/Cody to win last night. But it ain't the end of the world either way. Plenty of Roman Reigns fans who are very happy their guy won so shrug.
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 3, 2023 11:55:27 GMT -5
personally I think Cody still is the guy he just does it at Summerslam.
This gives Cody a struggle to overcome it also gives Roman that 1000 day run.
While Cody is incredibly over right now, his run has been basically "easy". I think the story of the bloodline is going to play a part in it.
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Post by PKO on Apr 3, 2023 12:07:26 GMT -5
To borrow an old parenting classic; I’m not angry, I’m disappointed lol
This joins Drew losing at Clash at the Castle as another moment that’ll go down in history as an all-time terrible decision, and they both happened in less than a year (about 7 months apart, give or take a few days). This will forever be a stain on Cody’s career, the memory of this Wrestlemania, and Roman’s title reign . Even when he eventually loses, there is irredeemable damage done at this point. This is not an enjoyable chapter of a story, it was a critical point that has been flubbed.
It’s tough to know what to say succinctly. Am I shocked by the stupidity? No. I think I’m numb to it by this point. It’s almost amusing how bad a decision this was.
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Post by Dang! on Apr 3, 2023 12:08:16 GMT -5
There’s a damaging trend amongst creators these days, and it’s NOT just wrestling bookers, it’s creators in general. They believe that they cannot do the logical thing because it’s “too obvious.” Like a “surprise” is automatically better simply BECAUSE it’s a surprise. And that is NOT the case. Yes. It has become THE "edgy" indy film maker thing to have an "unhappy ending". If it's too infuriating the director "makes the list". I didn't even bother watching this Wrestlemania. I just read Spoilers. Wouldn't even want to watch this garbage for free.
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asuka007
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 3, 2023 12:09:17 GMT -5
personally I think Cody still is the guy he just does it at Summerslam. This gives Cody a struggle to overcome it also gives Roman that 1000 day run. While Cody is incredibly over right now, his run has been basically "easy". I think the story of the bloodline is going to play a part in it. He freaking tore his pec and was out for 9 months. How is that “easy?”
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Post by koreycaskets on Apr 3, 2023 12:13:18 GMT -5
I expected Roman to win , wasn't shocked. More pissed Asuka lost..DUMB
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 12:18:05 GMT -5
There’s a damaging trend amongst creators these days, and it’s NOT just wrestling bookers, it’s creators in general. They believe that they cannot do the logical thing because it’s “too obvious.” Like a “surprise” is automatically better simply BECAUSE it’s a surprise. And that is NOT the case.
It's such a cliche, but I honestly think part of why the MCU was such a phenomenon up through Endgame is because it was predictable. Predictable isn't bad. We all knew Thanos was going to be defeated somehow, and that Endgame was going to be the capstone, but Disney made billions of dollars just by letting everyone take the ride to the expected (and wanted) ending.
This ties back to wrestling, because... well, last night was the WWE's "Endgame" moment, and they screwed the pooch
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 12:18:16 GMT -5
It’s really not surprising HHH during his career as an active wrestler he was always in favor of the heel going over & heat. He only seemed to be okay with the face going over if it was himself.
His booking of faces in nxt was pretty atrocious guys like Gargano were super over underdog babyfaces then he had him fail a bunch of times, random heel turns and by the end he was a comedic heel that had good matches but was way less over. Sami failed over & over in nxt then when he finally wins the title he & the fans didn’t even get a chance to enjoy it because we needed to end the show with heat & owens turning on him.
Bookers way over think stuff & forget how important & rare truly over babyfaces are to a wrestling promotion. Sometimes the good guy really does need to win and give the fans some time to enjoy things.
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Post by chrom on Apr 3, 2023 12:25:43 GMT -5
There’s a damaging trend amongst creators these days, and it’s NOT just wrestling bookers, it’s creators in general. They believe that they cannot do the logical thing because it’s “too obvious.” Like a “surprise” is automatically better simply BECAUSE it’s a surprise. And that is NOT the case.
It's such a cliche, but I honestly think part of why the MCU was such a phenomenon up through Endgame is because it was predictable. Predictable isn't bad. We all knew Thanos was going to be defeated somehow, and that Endgame was going to be the capstone, but Disney made billions of dollars just by letting everyone take the ride to the expected (and wanted) ending.
This ties back to wrestling, because... well, last night was the WWE's "Endgame" moment, and they screwed the pooch
Nobody watched Power Rangers thinking that they'd fail and Zedd would kill Tommy and Jason.
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 3, 2023 12:27:52 GMT -5
personally I think Cody still is the guy he just does it at Summerslam. This gives Cody a struggle to overcome it also gives Roman that 1000 day run. While Cody is incredibly over right now, his run has been basically "easy". I think the story of the bloodline is going to play a part in it. He freaking tore his pec and was out for 9 months. How is that “easy?” He beat the same guy 3 times, and came in 30 at the royal rumble. I'm not saying it was totally easy, I do think more could be done to build drama. Never once did it seem Cody was in danger of losing his spot at Wrestlemania or tbh it seemed like him winning was a forgone conclusion... If/when Cody wins the journey will be more interesting than the current one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 12:39:22 GMT -5
It's such a cliche, but I honestly think part of why the MCU was such a phenomenon up through Endgame is because it was predictable. Predictable isn't bad. We all knew Thanos was going to be defeated somehow, and that Endgame was going to be the capstone, but Disney made billions of dollars just by letting everyone take the ride to the expected (and wanted) ending.
This ties back to wrestling, because... well, last night was the WWE's "Endgame" moment, and they screwed the pooch
Nobody watched Power Rangers thinking that they'd fail and Zedd would kill Tommy and Jason.
And I get that there's an audience out there for storytelling where the endings aren't so happy and it's more humanistic, tragic, and low key. Oscar bait storytelling, basically.
I'd bet my right nut that 90% of a wrestling audience doesn't watch it for that, though. I sure don't. I watch it to see guys and gals who look and dress like super heroes play fight for my entertainment before the good guy ultimately vanquishes the villain. If you complicate my wrestling any more than that, then I'm done watching it.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 3, 2023 12:42:49 GMT -5
It's such a cliche, but I honestly think part of why the MCU was such a phenomenon up through Endgame is because it was predictable. Predictable isn't bad. We all knew Thanos was going to be defeated somehow, and that Endgame was going to be the capstone, but Disney made billions of dollars just by letting everyone take the ride to the expected (and wanted) ending. This ties back to wrestling, because... well, last night was the WWE's "Endgame" moment, and they screwed the pooch
Nobody watched Power Rangers thinking that they'd fail and Zedd would kill Tommy and Jason. Hell, even on the times the Power Rangers did lose, you knew they’d find a way to win and stop the bad guys.
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Post by Venti on Apr 3, 2023 12:51:16 GMT -5
I was really sad about it, but honestly I'm more than intrigued to see where they go.
Maybe a hell in a cell match to prevent interference? Maybe Cody will just go nuts and start picking apart the Bloodline one by one with the help of Sami and Kevin? There's a few ways they can go with this.
They won't necessarily be better than the idea of crowning Cody last night, but they can still salvage it with some competent writing.
If they instead do something like shifting Cody to the midcard in a nothing feud, then I'll give up lol.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 3, 2023 13:09:43 GMT -5
Nobody watched Power Rangers thinking that they'd fail and Zedd would kill Tommy and Jason. And I get that there's an audience out there for storytelling where the endings aren't so happy and it's more humanistic, tragic, and low key. Oscar bait storytelling, basically.
I'd bet my right nut that 90% of a wrestling audience doesn't watch it for that, though. I sure don't. I watch it to see guys and gals who look and dress like super heroes play fight for my entertainment before the good guy ultimately vanquishes the villain. If you complicate my wrestling any more than that, then I'm done watching it.
And it doesn't even need to be an either/or. I like lots of art that goes into dour places, that lacks closure or catharsis, that isn't meant to resolve in a happy way. And you can even have stuff that ends in grim ways without appealing to any sort of highbrow media; horror movies go f***in' great for that. But you still want to sometimes watch the good guy win! You still wanna see something happen. Cody didn't need more than he already had going for him, he was ready and had the story and motivation he needed to make a big win happen and a moment that could have easily solidified him as a huge megastar and they just did not care to.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 3, 2023 13:17:54 GMT -5
I’ll just say, did Cody have it easy compared to other Rumble winners? Sure.
Crowd didn’t care. They firmly brought into Cody being the guy arguably more than they did Sami, Drew and 2021 Daniel Bryan. They brought his merch, they watched him even from the time he wasn’t even being teased before WrestleMania last year, they watched him when he came back, and was promoted heavily from his injury to the Rumble.
This is the live pro wrestling business. If something is making money, you can go with it without a tonne of setup and if it fails, especially for a company WWE’s size, you can find a way in kayfabe to justify it. A lot of bookers have made this seem so hard for no reason when it really, really isn’t.
Trying to justify it like it’s a season of TV already written is frankly, over complicating a lot.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 3, 2023 13:27:47 GMT -5
Sami, Cody and Drew are still big stars that wouldn’t really be any bigger if they’d won the title. Especially since Cody and Sami likely will be world champ within a year. Ok you are officially just saying shit to try and justify this booking and this run because... WHAT? Drew winning in his home country would have made him a bigger star, Sami winning in Montreal would have made him a bigger star, Cody winning at Mania in front of everyone, his family, and Brodie would have absolutely made him a bigger star This is the Undisputed World Title, this is the longest reign WWE's had in decades. This by default, makes anyone an even bigger star, in those moments especially. It is absolutely insane to me that you'd even present this point and be serious about it... this shit matters, and given where Drew is, not having renewed his deal with WWE yet, it might matter for the talent in the end too that waiting and seeing doesn't always work out. You could have said your middle two paragraphs without the first or last. Again This is how you run into unpleasant interactions with others.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 3, 2023 13:29:27 GMT -5
I’ll just say, did Cody have it easy compared to other Rumble winners? Sure. Crowd didn’t care. They firmly brought into Cody being the guy arguably more than they did Sami, Drew and 2021 Daniel Bryan. They brought his merch, they watched him even from the time he wasn’t even being teased before WrestleMania last year, they watched him when he came back, and was promoted heavily from his injury to the Rumble. This is the live pro wrestling business. If something is making money, you can go with it without a tonne of setup and if it fails, especially for a company WWE’s size, you can find a way in kayfabe to justify it. A lot of bookers have made this seem so hard for no reason when it really, really isn’t. Trying to justify it like it’s a season of TV already written is frankly, over complicating a lot. Eh, Idk if he was more revered than Sami. The rest of the post I agree with
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 3, 2023 13:31:34 GMT -5
He freaking tore his pec and was out for 9 months. How is that “easy?” He beat the same guy 3 times, and came in 30 at the royal rumble. I'm not saying it was totally easy, I do think more could be done to build drama. Never once did it seem Cody was in danger of losing his spot at Wrestlemania or tbh it seemed like him winning was a forgone conclusion... Then do Cody vs Bobby Lashley for the right to take on Roman at 'mania after both hit the floor at the same time during the rumble, and/or give him a lower number at the rumble. It was still a wretched decision to have Cody bottle it on the biggest stage and not adding enough drama does not excuse that in the least.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 3, 2023 13:46:08 GMT -5
He beat the same guy 3 times, and came in 30 at the royal rumble. I'm not saying it was totally easy, I do think more could be done to build drama. Never once did it seem Cody was in danger of losing his spot at Wrestlemania or tbh it seemed like him winning was a forgone conclusion... Then do Cody vs Bobby Lashley for the right to take on Roman at 'mania after both hit the floor at the same time during the rumble, and/or give him a lower number at the rumble. It was still a wretched decision to have Cody bottle it on the biggest stage and not adding enough drama does not excuse that in the least. Yeah, if you think there’s a lack of a struggle, as a wrestling promoter with a PLE before WrestleMania, you can remedy that. Cody wasn’t even at Elimination Chamber, which made his speech to Sami look like mere words.
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