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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 0:56:00 GMT -5
I mean I was more joking but in the end one person books the company and they have a team behind them, they can say they're booking to a certain demo but in the end, we've seen what gets over, we've seen what fans want, and they just go "Eh" and do what they want... when you do that, it doesn't feel like you're satisfying anyone but yourself, and putting it behind a guise of "Oh well that's not the end, even though everything pointed to it being the end and maybe it should have been, see ya on RAW!" In the end they do what they wanna do, and tonight showed that in spades lol If Hogan hadn't blocked me on Twitter, this is where you'd see his Twitter post about marks working themselves into a shoot. I don't know what I've said is exactly so ridiculous, this shit's been pretty public and blatant for a long time lol Especially in Vince's era, ripping up scripts as the shows are going on, the ideas that never happened or got tossed away, telling Rusev to his face Rusev Day isn't over they're just making fun of him, the fun times really roll on and on lol
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 3, 2023 0:56:03 GMT -5
Deliberate misdirection from HHH here. I think they are settling Solo up to be the Batista to Roman's HHH. Possible. I dunno if Solo is ready for that either yet. Don't even dislike Solo at all, but he's currently a Samoa Joe cosplayer with Umaga's moveset and he does not have anywhere near the presence Batista had when he was in Evolution. So there's a bit of work to do there.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 3, 2023 0:57:43 GMT -5
If Hogan hadn't blocked me on Twitter, this is where you'd see his Twitter post about marks working themselves into a shoot. I don't know what I've said is exactly so ridiculous, this shit's been pretty public and blatant for a long time lol Oh, I'm not referring to you, I'm responding to you with a new thought.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 0:59:07 GMT -5
I don't know what I've said is exactly so ridiculous, this shit's been pretty public and blatant for a long time lol Oh, I'm not referring to you, I'm responding to you with a new thought. Oh, I'm sorry I didn't catch that lol It's also almost 2 AM here that might play a factor in it lol
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 3, 2023 1:00:48 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not referring to you, I'm responding to you with a new thought. Oh, I'm sorry I didn't catch that lol It's also almost 2 AM here that might play a factor in it lol No worries, I should be asleep myself.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 3, 2023 1:01:14 GMT -5
The only positive thing he's done is make the mid-card titles relevant and give Aliyah a title. His booking of the women's division has been embarrassing. He's ruined Butch. He's ruined Liv. He sucks. Strangely this makes me think of something Dax Hardwood said on his podcast in reference to FTR/The Revival in WWE. He basically said even in NXT he knew they'd be given respect because of their ring work but they were never Triple H guys. He went on to explain that he felt a lot of people got labeled as Triple H guys when in reality those people were just there to get Triple H's guys over. I actually feel like Butch falls in that line of thinking where Hunter knows he's good and will have good matches but doesn't see much else outside of that. He saw Raquel and Kross as two of his big pet projects and they haven't translated.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 3, 2023 1:05:36 GMT -5
All they had to do was just have Cody go over. It was right there! Now WWE is the LA Chargers in the playoffs: expected to cock it up at the critical moment. And the more this keeps happening, the harder and harder it is to get people to buy in for the next challenger that seems destined to do the thing. I joke about “Do the babyfaces have to win every match and every confrontation and squash the heels every time and leaving them shitting their pants in fear to get people to believe in them?”, but it may legit almost be at that point. I often think of this, but didn’t post it on the board until now because it feeds the silly fanboy fights and all that, but it rings true today… You could have the same match with the same wrestlers. If it happens in an AEW ring, the thought is “This could be good, here’s how I expect it to be good”. If it happens in a WWE ring, the thought is “This could be good, here’s how I expect it to be bad”. Until WWE can change that default reaction, they’ll never be viewed the same open-minded way as other wrestling promotions. But like I said, they keep making it harder and harder for that to happen.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 3, 2023 1:11:02 GMT -5
I mean I was more joking but in the end one person books the company and they have a team behind them, they can say they're booking to a certain demo but in the end, we've seen what gets over, we've seen what fans want, and they just go "Eh" and do what they want... when you do that, it doesn't feel like you're satisfying anyone but yourself, and putting it behind a guise of "Oh well that's not the end, even though everything pointed to it being the end and maybe it should have been, see ya on RAW!" In the end they do what they wanna do, and tonight showed that in spades lol If Hogan hadn't blocked me on Twitter, this is where you'd see his Twitter post about marks working themselves into a shoot. Reminder that the mentioned tweet was made after Bound for Glory 2011 and in response to the backlash to the show, when the Hulkster decided to have Kurt Angle retain the Impact title in the main event (despite having a torn hamstring) instead of pulling the trigger on Bobby Roode winning the title for the first time, despite building to it all summer.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 1:15:18 GMT -5
If Hogan hadn't blocked me on Twitter, this is where you'd see his Twitter post about marks working themselves into a shoot. Reminder that the mentioned tweet was made after Bound for Glory 2011, when the Hulkster decided to have Kurt Angle retain the Impact title in the main event despite having a torn hamstring instead of pulling the trigger on Bobby Roode winning the title for the first time despite building to it all summer. Wow, had no idea how relevant that post would be right now lmfao
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 3, 2023 1:15:36 GMT -5
If Hogan hadn't blocked me on Twitter, this is where you'd see his Twitter post about marks working themselves into a shoot. Reminder that the mentioned tweet was made after Bound for Glory 2011, when the Hulkster decided to have Kurt Angle retain the Impact title in the main event despite having a torn hamstring instead of pulling the trigger on Bobby Roode winning the title for the first time despite building to it all summer. THAT CAME FROM THE TNA YEAR OF HELL?!
That makes that stupid Hogan tweet even worse in context lmao.
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Post by The Trashman on Apr 3, 2023 1:17:22 GMT -5
Yeah attendance is through the roof, the company is going to sell for exactly what they wanted and they are as mainstream as they have ever been. Such a failure. WCW were setting North American wrestling attendance records in 1998 while sowing the seeds for what happened to them a couple of years later (flogging the NWO to death getting it overexposed, giving Hogan v Goldberg away on free tv etc). This company is competently run on the corporate side and is again on the verge of being sold for what people were thinking was much too high of an asking price.
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Post by The Trashman on Apr 3, 2023 1:20:59 GMT -5
It’s almost as if he hasn’t signed the new deal they’re trying to get him to sign Not the best way to get him to re-sign. Championships are not what get people to resign. Drew has been booked as strong as anyone in the company besides Roman and Brock for 3+ years now and the money is what matters. Sasha Banks isnt here because they wouldnt meet her price, not because she wanted to wrestle in the San Jose Civic Center for 2000 people be champion.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 3, 2023 1:26:27 GMT -5
All they had to do was just have Cody go over. It was right there! Now WWE is the LA Chargers in the playoffs: expected to cock it up at the critical moment. And the more this keeps happening, the harder and harder it is to get people to buy in for the next challenger that seems destined to do the thing. I joke about “Do the babyfaces have to win every match and every confrontation and squash the heels every time and leaving them shitting their pants in fear to get people to believe in them?”, but it may legit almost be at that point. I often think of this, but didn’t post it on the board until now because it feeds the silly fanboy fights and all that, but it rings true today… You could have the same match with the same wrestlers. If it happens in an AEW ring, the thought is “This could be good, here’s how I expect it to be good”. If it happens in a WWE ring, the thought is “This could be good, here’s how I expect it to be bad”. Until WWE can change that default reaction, they’ll never be viewed the same open-minded way as other wrestling promotions. But like I said, they keep making it harder and harder for that to happen. You joke, but a genuine losing streak angle for Roman after he's dropped the title wouldn't be a bad idea, esp. in the way of building new faces in the process, with Roman putting them over in these matches.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 3, 2023 1:30:44 GMT -5
And the more this keeps happening, the harder and harder it is to get people to buy in for the next challenger that seems destined to do the thing. I joke about “Do the babyfaces have to win every match and every confrontation and squash the heels every time and leaving them shitting their pants in fear to get people to believe in them?”, but it may legit almost be at that point. I often think of this, but didn’t post it on the board until now because it feeds the silly fanboy fights and all that, but it rings true today… You could have the same match with the same wrestlers. If it happens in an AEW ring, the thought is “This could be good, here’s how I expect it to be good”. If it happens in a WWE ring, the thought is “This could be good, here’s how I expect it to be bad”. Until WWE can change that default reaction, they’ll never be viewed the same open-minded way as other wrestling promotions. But like I said, they keep making it harder and harder for that to happen. You joke, but a genuine losing streak angle for Roman after he's dropped the title wouldn't be a bad idea, esp. in the way of building new faces in the process, with Roman putting them over in these matches. You have to be careful with doing that though. I get it might be cathartic, but you don’t want to have him lose so often that the wins start becoming meaningless for those who beat him. Look at John Cena nowadays, for example.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 3, 2023 1:36:53 GMT -5
You joke, but a genuine losing streak angle for Roman after he's dropped the title wouldn't be a bad idea, esp. in the way of building new faces in the process, with Roman putting them over in these matches. You have to be careful with doing that though. I get it might be cathartic, but you don’t want to have him lose so often that the wins start becoming meaningless for those who beat him. Look at John Cena nowadays, for example. True. Which is why the approach shouldn't be "look, Roman's losing left and right, happy, marks?" but more with the story being that the success he's had is but a fleeting memory and whatever family drama that's happened is totally messing with his confidence. Incidentally, something like the plot of Rocky III, where all the success Rocky achieved made him complacent and lazy, paving the way for Clubber Lang to beat him.
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Post by government mule on Apr 3, 2023 1:42:36 GMT -5
I f***ing knew it. Trips has a bigger boner for depressingly long heel title reigns than Vince ever has.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 3, 2023 1:43:09 GMT -5
Holy shit this is hilarious to wake up to I can't beleive this shit. "Hunter loves NWA booking" is like putting your goalposts on the back of a flatbed and just driving in a straight line until you run off into the ocean. If people love Roman, then great, he doesn't need to like vanish into the ether for eternity. The guy you like losing the title doesn't make him stop existing, and the company shouldn't just not tell one single different story with its titles for the first time in years just because conversation about Roman forgot about object permanence. At the very least this is narratively speaking the least interesting option because it's just kicking the can forward on continuing to be the same shit over again and at some point no matter how much you're enjoying a show you've gotta want to see them just do a new thing, right?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 1:53:10 GMT -5
Not the best way to get him to re-sign. Championships are not what get people to resign. Drew has been booked as strong as anyone in the company besides Roman and Brock for 3+ years now and the money is what matters. Sasha Banks isnt here because they wouldnt meet her price, not because she wanted to wrestle in the San Jose Civic Center for 2000 people be champion. I mean sure if you want to ignore how pissed she was at her booking too and all the other shit, and ignore that she said she always wanted to work New Japan in her career It's different for every single person, I'm not saying championships matter for everyone but the booking matters for some people. Mox didn't care about the money for example either, money talks, but it's not always what keeps people or makes them leave.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Apr 3, 2023 2:23:49 GMT -5
The sweet irony is that if Vince was in charge, I strongly believe Cody would be the champ right now haha.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 3, 2023 2:36:36 GMT -5
I do honestly think they've probably utterly killed Cody's chances of being a major draw for them with this. There were reports just the other day that his merch sales are getting better and better, he's been a consistent ratings draw, and now, so what, doesn't matter, best he can hope for is to maybe beat Theory but probably not even that, who gives a f***. He isn't going to amount to anything so why believe in him?
And even if they do split the belts and give him one, whatever, he got a pity belt because he can't win the real one, who cares?
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