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Post by darbus alan on Apr 9, 2023 13:12:19 GMT -5
I think James Stephanie Sterling said it best: "Buying Hogwarts Legacy doesn't make you transphobic or a bigot. But you can't call yourself a trans ally either." I think that applies to any conscious monetary consumption of official Harry Potter content where JK Rowling gets some sort of compensation or royalties. Stuff like watching the movies on basic cable, buying fan-made merch, or even buying Hogwarts Legacy used, not so much. Not to mention all the antisemitic tropes of goblins only being magnified in that game. Especially since it came out one of the former lead designers of the game was a f***ing Neo-Nazi. There are people here are a lot closer to this, but it seems to me that gatekeeping a large quantity of the population from being an ally of your movement because they bought a video game or watched a movie isn't overly productive. People who bought the game are just people who bought the game. I don't think you can really infer anything on their attitudes towards any minority from that. If you're knowingly giving financial support to someone who is using said money to do real harm to trans people, you are not an ally. Simple as that. You aren't necessarily a bigot either (unless you're buying the game to stick it to "the libs," "woke culture," or trans people, then... yeah you'd probably be a bigot), but your words of allyship are meaningless because you're not willing to do even the bare minimum of personal inconvenience to show support as an ally. You can still play the game even! Just buy it used or go on the digital seven seas instead of lining Rowling's pockets.
I used to be a big Harry Potter fan, but a very good friend of mine who I've known for most of my life is a trans woman. Not saying that it was easy to divorce myself from buying new official things (though the shittiness of the Fantastic Beasts movies certainly helped). But I'd feel like a real shitty friend if I continued to support JKR.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Apr 9, 2023 13:39:05 GMT -5
I think JKR is so loaded now, that any extra money is just a drop in the ocean.
Just out of curiosity, and I know I'm probably going to get beat down for asking this, but when people say she's using her money to finance trans extermination, which groups is she giving this too? I know she's set up a few women's refugage centres in Scotland but not sure where else. Genuinely asking and not looking to flame/troll.
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Post by King Boo on Apr 9, 2023 13:41:05 GMT -5
How about we keep the topic on Harry Potter (mainly the reboot series, but it's logical if the game pops up in conversation since it's so new)? If no one wants to talk about that, then the thread will wither away and vanish into the "old thread" ether.
Also, not making anyone feel unwelcome or uncomfortable goes for everyone. No one is to make a trans person feel uncomfortable for being trans, and no one is to make someone feel uncomfortable because they bought a game for a series they love. Judgment gets people nowhere.
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Post by aaahhh90 on Apr 9, 2023 14:29:30 GMT -5
Yeah. The other reason why I find it stupid is because I'm pretty sure the generations after us original Potter kids are very familiar with the movies because schools play them on special days like mine did all the way back in 2004.
This is J.K's chance to make a quidditch series as it's the only thing that was heavily neglected in the movies.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Apr 10, 2023 1:10:49 GMT -5
How about we keep the topic on Harry Potter (mainly the reboot series, but it's logical if the game pops up in conversation since it's so new)? If no one wants to talk about that, then the thread will wither away and vanish into the "old thread" ether. Also, not making anyone feel unwelcome or uncomfortable goes for everyone. No one is to make a trans person feel uncomfortable for being trans, and no one is to make someone feel uncomfortable because they bought a game for a series they love. Judgment gets people nowhere. lol, putting trans people and people who bought a game on equal footing, as if the second isnt a choice. Come the f*** on.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Apr 10, 2023 1:42:48 GMT -5
I'm just glad I think Harry Potter is stupid.
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Post by King Boo on Apr 10, 2023 1:49:24 GMT -5
How about we keep the topic on Harry Potter (mainly the reboot series, but it's logical if the game pops up in conversation since it's so new)? If no one wants to talk about that, then the thread will wither away and vanish into the "old thread" ether. Also, not making anyone feel unwelcome or uncomfortable goes for everyone. No one is to make a trans person feel uncomfortable for being trans, and no one is to make someone feel uncomfortable because they bought a game for a series they love. Judgment gets people nowhere. lol, putting trans people and people who bought a game on equal footing, as if the second isnt a choice. Come the f*** on. You know very well what I was trying to say, and how the nature of the conversation in this thread went, so how about we stop with the hyperbole. The main point - which I'm very certain you're well aware of - is to stop judging people. Now, move on.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 10, 2023 1:49:42 GMT -5
I feel lucky that the time period I was into Harry Potter was very brief. I only even heard of the series when Goblet of Fire came out, got into it just before Order of the Phoenix came out, read that one... And subsequently lost all interest and never read the last two books. I also only ever watched the first movie.
Either way, yeah. Strictly taking this as a show on its own footing, I have to imagine that this is probably not even going to end up being finished. It's going to take a massive monetary and time investment from a company that is doing everything it can right now to cut costs, and given shows tend to lose their ability to attract new viewers as they go along on streaming services it's eventually going to become more financially viable to just continue hyping that they have the movies and bury the show's existence.
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Post by The Barber on Apr 10, 2023 2:34:28 GMT -5
I think James Stephanie Sterling said it best: "Buying Hogwarts Legacy doesn't make you transphobic or a bigot. But you can't call yourself a trans ally either." I think that applies to any conscious monetary consumption of official Harry Potter content where JK Rowling gets some sort of compensation or royalties. Stuff like watching the movies on basic cable, buying fan-made merch, or even buying Hogwarts Legacy used, not so much. Most of the big corporations and stars you admire have some big skeletons in their closets. No one is immune. Protesting against all of them would require being a hermit in the middle of nowhere.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 10, 2023 7:59:25 GMT -5
What will make or break this series is if they show Hagrid wizarding his poop away, "Evanesco Poopus!"
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Apr 10, 2023 8:23:08 GMT -5
God, Harry Potter. The luke warm vomit of fantasy. Rowling basically lifted everything wholesale from better authors and still couldn't make it worth a damn.
And no, Emma, you are not a Hufflepuff. You're 35 years old and work in sales.
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 10, 2023 8:23:50 GMT -5
I feel lucky that the time period I was into Harry Potter was very brief. I only even heard of the series when Goblet of Fire came out, got into it just before Order of the Phoenix came out, read that one... And subsequently lost all interest and never read the last two books. I also only ever watched the first movie. Either way, yeah. Strictly taking this as a show on its own footing, I have to imagine that this is probably not even going to end up being finished. It's going to take a massive monetary and time investment from a company that is doing everything it can right now to cut costs, and given shows tend to lose their ability to attract new viewers as they go along on streaming services it's eventually going to become more financially viable to just continue hyping that they have the movies and bury the show's existence. I’m going to predict two seasons at most. It will probably follow the pattern of Amazon’s lord of the rings series; the first season will flop but they will already be so far down the hole they won’t have much choice but to plow ahead with a second..
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 10, 2023 9:36:10 GMT -5
Man, if this was like years ago or so, I would have been super excited considering how much was lost from the books to the films. Still loved them but some semi-major stuff was left out or poorly done and a show could help fix that. Unfortunately, the time has passed for this to be anything but cringe inducing. For SO many reasons, this just isn't going to work.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 10, 2023 11:17:16 GMT -5
My problem is why are so many series afraid of going into the future? This goes into that other thread active right now asking which stories did we stop caring about. First Avatar the Last Airbender is being remade(in live action) and now Harry Potter. It took Star Wars forever to finally make a story set after the original trilogy. Star Trek too. What is the deal! These stories are rife with potential but all these companies keep doing is remaking the same damn story or a story that takes place like 20 years before the main story. Also the game did attract a large amount of casuals because my cousin who plays it wasn't into Harry Potter at all growing up but he is into large open world video games like Dark Souls. He now claims to be more of a Potterhead than me despite still not knowing who Dumbledore & Voldemort are. Again tho. Why won't J.K write about a new wizard. Give Ravenclaw the front-seat this time. This remaking of things that ended just the prior decade is odd. She gave us 5 new kids the stories would follow. And Cursed Child forgot to sort Hugo Weasley. So we’re to assume he’s either still too young to go to Hogwarts, or he’s a squib. They can do a lot with the next generation that the play just glossed over.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 10, 2023 12:46:43 GMT -5
I think James Stephanie Sterling said it best: "Buying Hogwarts Legacy doesn't make you transphobic or a bigot. But you can't call yourself a trans ally either." I think that applies to any conscious monetary consumption of official Harry Potter content where JK Rowling gets some sort of compensation or royalties. Stuff like watching the movies on basic cable, buying fan-made merch, or even buying Hogwarts Legacy used, not so much. Most of the big corporations and stars you admire have some big skeletons in their closets. No one is immune. Protesting against all of them would require being a hermit in the middle of nowhere. This is where "no ethical consumption under capitalism" comes into play because it's about impossible to do anything in this world that doesn't have some sort of direct or indirect human suffering. That said, you try to mitigate harm where you can. "Not buying a single video game new" is a very small thing to ask to show solidarity with a community one claims to support. If not from a financial standpoint, then a symbolic one.
Again, this is only for people who claim themselves to be allies of the trans and nonbinary communities and are aware of the harm Rowling is causing. If you're not, then do whatever the hell you want.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 10, 2023 15:03:22 GMT -5
God, Harry Potter. The luke warm vomit of fantasy. Rowling basically lifted everything wholesale from better authors and still couldn't make it worth a damn. And no, Emma, you are not a Hufflepuff. You're 35 years old and work in sales. One of the best things about working from home is that I no longer have to hear all the 40-something women in my department go on and on about being a Hufflepuff...
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 12, 2023 7:31:56 GMT -5
lol, putting trans people and people who bought a game on equal footing, as if the second isnt a choice. Come the f*** on. You know very well what I was trying to say, and how the nature of the conversation in this thread went, so how about we stop with the hyperbole. The main point - which I'm very certain you're well aware of - is to stop judging people. Now, move on. Yeah, just going to add on this point: we're a very trans-inclusive board, but we also have a responsibility to keep potentially explosive topics under control. If a mod is trying to do their (volunteer, unpaid) job, let them, please. If you feel there was a false equivalency given then address it respectfully, thanks.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 12, 2023 12:42:59 GMT -5
God, Harry Potter. The luke warm vomit of fantasy. Rowling basically lifted everything wholesale from better authors and still couldn't make it worth a damn. And no, Emma, you are not a Hufflepuff. You're 35 years old and work in sales. One of the best things about working from home is that I no longer have to hear all the 40-something women in my department go on and on about being a Hufflepuff... Nothing wrong with that. They are just fans. I am a proud Slytherin. Whatever anyone thinks of Rowling, the books and the films are excellent.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 12, 2023 13:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by Venti on Apr 12, 2023 13:31:47 GMT -5
Will be hard to top the movies, but im still intrigued.
Maybe they will have a more screen time to flesh things out, like some of the side characters.
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