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Post by darbus alan on Apr 13, 2023 17:54:18 GMT -5
Joanne has an issue with names in general. Remus Lupin, did you guess he's a werewolf? He's basically called Wolf Wolf. (Let's not get into lycanthropy being some sort of twisted AIDS allegory, with a predatory older male werewolf who likes to deliberately infect young males...) Kingsley Shacklebolt is definitely dodgy ground for one of the few black characters... Cho Chang is literally racist. Yeah, Cho Chang was the big one... until somebody pointed out Seamus Finnegan. You know, the one nominally Irish character, whose "thing" is blowing himself up, who blew himself up the first time turning his water into an alcoholic beverage. Now, I'm not gonna go any further because of the NO POLITICS rule, since the jaw dropper here is how similar his name is to an actual political party, but it's nasty. Nastier still when you remember she would have started the groundwork on these books in the early 90s. I never really connected the dots with Seamus until now, but holy shit.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 13, 2023 18:23:04 GMT -5
The only thing I really have to note about the books is an anecdote from last weekend – my eight year-old son proudly showed me his new bookshelf and all the books on it (his mother has just moved house, so it was my first time seeing his new bedroom). He pointed out that there was one book on there that he didn't like and asked me to guess what it was. It was Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.
I couldn't help but laugh.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 14, 2023 0:46:04 GMT -5
Gonna bow out of discussing this now but honestly it's all just kinda funny. Their big reveal and what do we have? Same logo, same music, same castle (presumably because making a new one would cost more money and they don't wanna ruin the branding of the tour and video game). They can't even promise a fresh take because they're hobbled by needing to cash in. Let's see if they can keep up this incredible momentum for 10 years of longform content on a streaming service (assuming it doesn't take longer making cgi-heavy full seasons of TV) at a time when they're notorious for cancelling projects a few seasons in, all the while JK ramping up her genocidal rhetoric in the background as execs hum and haw about how much to indulge her. Yeah, I feel like we really know virtually nothing about what the project will even look like, which really just comes off desperate to have something to show before there's anything to show. Like, even if I step back and be objective and look outside my extreme distaste for Rowling, and think, yeah, I can see where mini-series could tackle stuff the movies couldn't, or do it differently, so it could work from that angle... it feels like this would have probably made more sense as an animated project. If nothing else, it would have spared the actors the extreme, uncomfortable scrutiny the originals were subjected to. An animated project would also sidestep the the fact that a long-running Harry Potter series would just take up some poor young actor or actresses whole childhood. Remember, the series takes off after Harry Potter's eleventh birthday and runs until he's eighteen. We're not even talking about the general issues with child actors (exactly how experienced is a 10-12 year old going to be), who wants to devote that much of their life to something like that? Half the Stranger Things cast was looking for the exits by Season 4, and that was with a two year COVID gap. I'm sure a lot of the MCU cast were tired of those films by Phase 3, and they were 1) hardened veterans in Hollywood, and 2) being paid very handsomely.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 14, 2023 10:23:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I feel like we really know virtually nothing about what the project will even look like, which really just comes off desperate to have something to show before there's anything to show. Like, even if I step back and be objective and look outside my extreme distaste for Rowling, and think, yeah, I can see where mini-series could tackle stuff the movies couldn't, or do it differently, so it could work from that angle... it feels like this would have probably made more sense as an animated project. If nothing else, it would have spared the actors the extreme, uncomfortable scrutiny the originals were subjected to. An animated project would also sidestep the the fact that a long-running Harry Potter series would just take up some poor young actor or actresses whole childhood. Remember, the series takes off after Harry Potter's eleventh birthday and runs until he's eighteen. We're not even talking about the general issues with child actors (exactly how experienced is a 10-12 year old going to be), who wants to devote that much of their life to something like that? Half the Stranger Things cast was looking for the exits by Season 4, and that was with a two year COVID gap. I'm sure a lot of the MCU cast were tired of those films by Phase 3, and they were 1) hardened veterans in Hollywood, and 2) being paid very handsomely. They should merge Harry Potter with another IP I assume they own to remedy this - Chimp TV. Yer a wizard, Harry! OOOOOK!
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 14, 2023 10:39:21 GMT -5
An animated project would also sidestep the the fact that a long-running Harry Potter series would just take up some poor young actor or actresses whole childhood. Remember, the series takes off after Harry Potter's eleventh birthday and runs until he's eighteen. We're not even talking about the general issues with child actors (exactly how experienced is a 10-12 year old going to be), who wants to devote that much of their life to something like that? Half the Stranger Things cast was looking for the exits by Season 4, and that was with a two year COVID gap. I'm sure a lot of the MCU cast were tired of those films by Phase 3, and they were 1) hardened veterans in Hollywood, and 2) being paid very handsomely. They should merge Harry Potter with another IP I assume they own to remedy this - Chimp TV. Yer a wizard, Harry! OOOOOK! I think we all know there is one and only one other franchise that Harry Potter should be doing crossovers with. It's time to finally make the legendary Harry Potter/A-Team crossover movie and/or TV series that both fanbases have been begging for for decades.
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Post by salz4life on Apr 14, 2023 10:56:38 GMT -5
Yeah... along with reading this thread, the more I think about this the more I think it is going to be a disaster. I wouldn't be shocked if it "falls apart" at some point and maybe never happens.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 14, 2023 12:09:34 GMT -5
This is actually about Harry Potter from the first 'Troll' movie.
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Post by salz4life on Apr 14, 2023 12:21:17 GMT -5
They've made a two Lego movies, a Lego Batman movie, and a Lego Ninjago movie... why not Lego Harry Potter?
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 14, 2023 12:45:16 GMT -5
In the new version, the deadly threat in the girls bathroom won't be a giant monster snake.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 14, 2023 13:02:37 GMT -5
In the new version, the deadly threat in the girls bathroom won't be a giant monster snake. Asking as someone largely unfamiliar with the franchise, is that a thing that was in Harry Potter? Given what we know about Rowling's bigotry I'd say that belongs on the list of 'Things she wrote that look horrendous now we know what she really thinks.'
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 14, 2023 13:10:04 GMT -5
In the new version, the deadly threat in the girls bathroom won't be a giant monster snake. Asking as someone largely unfamiliar with the franchise, is that a thing that was in Harry Potter? Given what we know about Rowling's bigotry I'd say that belongs on the list of 'Things she wrote that look horrendous now we know what she really thinks.' In the second book, a disused girls bathroom hides the entrance to a monster lair. In fairness, there was no bigotry involved. These days, she'd probably think the girls were in more danger from a transgirl who simply wanted to use the bathroom between attending classes.
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Post by grunt on Apr 14, 2023 13:38:06 GMT -5
This is actually about Harry Potter from the first 'Troll' movie. I'd watch a tv show expanding on Torok's world and mythology. Maybe not 10 seasons, but still.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 14, 2023 13:38:33 GMT -5
They've made a two Lego movies, a Lego Batman movie, and a Lego Ninjago movie... why not Lego Harry Potter? I'm sure they would have by now if Lego Batman, Ninjago, and Lego Movie 2 hadn't all flopped.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 14, 2023 16:45:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I feel like we really know virtually nothing about what the project will even look like, which really just comes off desperate to have something to show before there's anything to show. Like, even if I step back and be objective and look outside my extreme distaste for Rowling, and think, yeah, I can see where mini-series could tackle stuff the movies couldn't, or do it differently, so it could work from that angle... it feels like this would have probably made more sense as an animated project. If nothing else, it would have spared the actors the extreme, uncomfortable scrutiny the originals were subjected to. An animated project would also sidestep the the fact that a long-running Harry Potter series would just take up some poor young actor or actresses whole childhood. Remember, the series takes off after Harry Potter's eleventh birthday and runs until he's eighteen. We're not even talking about the general issues with child actors (exactly how experienced is a 10-12 year old going to be), who wants to devote that much of their life to something like that? Half the Stranger Things cast was looking for the exits by Season 4, and that was with a two year COVID gap. I'm sure a lot of the MCU cast were tired of those films by Phase 3, and they were 1) hardened veterans in Hollywood, and 2) being paid very handsomely. I suppose to answer the question 'who would want to devote 10 years to a well paid acting gig which will set you up for life'... I doubt they'll struggle. Also, I don't think it's even a prerequisite that the actors have to remain the same every series. Plenty of successful TV shows and film series have changed cast members. If they'd binned off Daniel Radcliffe after two films I doubt it would've changed all that much.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 14, 2023 17:01:50 GMT -5
An animated project would also sidestep the the fact that a long-running Harry Potter series would just take up some poor young actor or actresses whole childhood. Remember, the series takes off after Harry Potter's eleventh birthday and runs until he's eighteen. We're not even talking about the general issues with child actors (exactly how experienced is a 10-12 year old going to be), who wants to devote that much of their life to something like that? Half the Stranger Things cast was looking for the exits by Season 4, and that was with a two year COVID gap. I'm sure a lot of the MCU cast were tired of those films by Phase 3, and they were 1) hardened veterans in Hollywood, and 2) being paid very handsomely. I suppose to answer the question 'who would want to devote 10 years to a well paid acting gig which will set you up for life'... I doubt they'll struggle. Also, I don't think it's even a prerequisite that the actors have to remain the same every series. Plenty of successful TV shows and film series have changed cast members. If they'd binned off Daniel Radcliffe after two films I doubt it would've changed all that much. Oh yes because child actors involved in long-running gigs have never had serious problems.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 14, 2023 17:27:30 GMT -5
I suppose to answer the question 'who would want to devote 10 years to a well paid acting gig which will set you up for life'... I doubt they'll struggle. Also, I don't think it's even a prerequisite that the actors have to remain the same every series. Plenty of successful TV shows and film series have changed cast members. If they'd binned off Daniel Radcliffe after two films I doubt it would've changed all that much. Oh yes because child actors involved in long-running gigs have never had serious problems. Umm, yes they obviously have... and your point is?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 14, 2023 22:17:39 GMT -5
I'm sure they can find people to fill the roles, but I'm also sure those people stuck in them will by and large be absolutely goddamn miserable. Just by nature of having to follow the original movies is going to get them a ton of harassment for years to come in its own right, then there's the distinctly very high possibility of it being a brutal production to slog through, and I'm sure whatever contracts they get WBD is going to shortchange them and screw them over as much as humanly possible. And then there's just the sheer length of time of this run if they end up finishing the whole series, this'll be people's entire childhoods.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 15, 2023 5:28:35 GMT -5
Joanne has an issue with names in general. Remus Lupin, did you guess he's a werewolf? He's basically called Wolf Wolf. (Let's not get into lycanthropy being some sort of twisted AIDS allegory, with a predatory older male werewolf who likes to deliberately infect young males...) Kingsley Shacklebolt is definitely dodgy ground for one of the few black characters... Cho Chang is literally racist. Yeah, Cho Chang was the big one... until somebody pointed out Seamus Finnegan. You know, the one nominally Irish character, whose "thing" is blowing himself up, who blew himself up the first time turning his water into an alcoholic beverage. Now, I'm not gonna go any further because of the NO POLITICS rule, since the jaw dropper here is how similar his name is to an actual political party, but it's nasty. Nastier still when you remember she would have started the groundwork on these books in the early 90s. Seamus doesn't blow anything up in any of the books.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Apr 15, 2023 5:39:08 GMT -5
Yeah, Cho Chang was the big one... until somebody pointed out Seamus Finnegan. You know, the one nominally Irish character, whose "thing" is blowing himself up, who blew himself up the first time turning his water into an alcoholic beverage. Now, I'm not gonna go any further because of the NO POLITICS rule, since the jaw dropper here is how similar his name is to an actual political party, but it's nasty. Nastier still when you remember she would have started the groundwork on these books in the early 90s. Seamus doesn't blow anything up in any of the books. Yeah, I was gonna say, the Sheamus thing is more of a "movie" issue than anything to do with the books. Sheamus is a pretty flat character for most of the books, minus some minor characterization during 5 and 6.
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Post by Legion on Apr 15, 2023 8:59:25 GMT -5
This will be huge. The first series at least will be one of the most watched things HBO has done.
Whether it sticks, no clue, but people tuning in just to see how it compares will give it big numbers.
The echo chamber of the internet has convinced people that JK's views mean the franchise is hated and dead, but it isn't. People will find a way to justify watching the show but still hating her, the recent game showed this.
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