The All In General Discussion Thread

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May 5, 2023 15:18:30 GMT -5 ssdrivin said:

ssdrivin said:

     6,000 ECW ^US (Anarchy Rulz @ Odeum Sports & Expo Center, IL ^US, 1999)
     8,100 TNA ^US (House show? @ Wembley Arena, London ^GB, 2009)
   20,177 AEW ^US (Dynamite Grand Slam @ Arthur Ashe Stadium, NY ^US, 2022) ^{(Previous AEW record)}
   38,000 NWA ^US (Pat O'Connor vs. Buddy Rogers @ Comiskey Park, IL ^US, 1961)
   41,412 WCW ^US (Nitro @ Georgia Dome, GA ^US, 1998)
   57,127 UFC ^US (UFC 243 @ Marvel Stadium, Melbourne ^AU, 2019)
   58,250 FMW ^JP (6th Anniversary Show @ Kawasaki Stadium, Kawasaki ^JP, 1995)
   58,300 AJPW ^JP (25th Anniversary Show @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 1998)
   60,000 UWF ^JP (U-Cosmos @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 1989)
   62,000 NOAH ^JP (Destiny @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 2005)
   62,296 WWE ^US (Clash at the Castle @ Principality Stadium, Cardiff ^GB, 2022) ^{(Most recent UK WWE PLE)}
   64,500 WCW/NJPW ^US/JP (Starrcade '91 @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 1991)
   65,000 TPW ^JP (TPW in Atami @ Sun Beach, Atami ^JP, 1996)
>65,000 AEW ^US (All In @ Wembley Stadium, London ^GB, 2023) ^{(First day of general sale, unconfirmed reports)}
   70,000 NJPW ^JP (Inoki Retirement Show @ Tokyo Dome, Tokyo ^JP, 1998)
   80,355 WWF ^US (SummerSlam '92 @ Wembley Stadium (pre-rebuild), London ^GB, 1992) ^{(Last WWF/WWE event at Wembley Stadium)}
 101,763 WWE ^US (WM32 @ AT&T Stadium, TX ^US, 2016)

If that 65k is accurate, they're worldwide top three of all time (excluding North Korea), behind WWE and NJPW (and if I were NJPW I'd be tugging my collar about now).

That's absolute madness.

AEW might be the ultimate example of "If you tell them no, they can't do that... they will prove you very wrong" lmfao

[Mozenrath]

May 5, 2023 15:30:23 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

May 5, 2023 15:18:30 GMT -5 ssdrivin said:

If that 65k is accurate, they're worldwide top three of all time (excluding North Korea), behind WWE and NJPW (and if I were NJPW I'd be tugging my collar about now).

That's absolute madness.

AEW might be the ultimate example of "If you tell them no, they can't do that... they will prove you very wrong" lmfao

I mean, think about the origin of All In to begin with, and them succeeding in proving Meltzer's pessimism about how many tickets a non-WWE wrestling show could see in the US.

[markymark]

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May 5, 2023 15:35:14 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

May 5, 2023 15:30:23 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

AEW might be the ultimate example of "If you tell them no, they can't do that... they will prove you very wrong" lmfao

I mean, think about the origin of All In to begin with, and them succeeding in proving Meltzer's pessimism about how many tickets a non-WWE wrestling show could see in the US.

From "No Non-WWE promotion could sell over 10,000 seats in the US" to "AEW in year four is ready to break all time wrestling records in attendance"

It's a beautiful thing let me tell ya

[lucaslawless]

Us Brits absolutely love wrestling as well as the other guys from Europe that will be flying in to London for this event. I've already seen posts from people from 6 different countries that are going. We all loved 80s and 90s wrestling as much as the rest and as much as some of the UK folk watch the indies it isn't a staple to UK wrestling fans imo. We've been wanting an event like this for years. Hell, I remember watching One Night Only on Sky Box Office when I was 13 and only wishing I could have watched HBK vs Davey Boy live. American fans underestimate how many fans in the UK and in Europe there actually are.

[kingoftheindies]

May 5, 2023 15:15:22 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

The conspiracy theories around the sales are hilarious. When the stadium is basically full in August, what'll they say? It's holograms and papering?

I know nothing about ticket sales but I've been frequently checking the maps and availability since the pre-sale on Monday. I've seen sections go on sale and quickly become unavailable. Either people are genuinely buying them or Ticketmaster is taking part in a very complicated conspiracy to put tickets on sale and then remove them.

And as Ticketmaster gets fees for every ticket sold, it's completely in their best interests to sell the tickets. Pretending they're gone when they aren't earns Ticketmaster nothing.

I think to go along with this (at least with the ratings portion) with everything from cable cutting to DVR, to other avenues, ratings just aren't really the barometer they used to be for how a company is doing. Ticket sales for AEW are solid to very good (could be better but not disastrous as some feared before)

But I said before, just seeing some people just scoff and say there's no market just boggles my mind

[ssdrivin]

May 5, 2023 15:47:03 GMT -5 markymark said:

On any other occasion I might consider "one of the greatest success stories in wrestling history" to be baseless grandstanding and hot air hype...

...but you can't argue with the numbers, he ain't wrong.

[Kalmia]

May 5, 2023 15:49:01 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

May 5, 2023 15:15:22 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

The conspiracy theories around the sales are hilarious. When the stadium is basically full in August, what'll they say? It's holograms and papering?

I know nothing about ticket sales but I've been frequently checking the maps and availability since the pre-sale on Monday. I've seen sections go on sale and quickly become unavailable. Either people are genuinely buying them or Ticketmaster is taking part in a very complicated conspiracy to put tickets on sale and then remove them.

And as Ticketmaster gets fees for every ticket sold, it's completely in their best interests to sell the tickets. Pretending they're gone when they aren't earns Ticketmaster nothing.

I think to go along with this (at least with the ratings portion) with everything from cable cutting to DVR, to other avenues, ratings just aren't really the barometer they used to be for how a company is doing. Ticket sales for AEW are solid to very good (could be better but not disastrous as some feared before)

But I said before, just seeing some people just scoff and say there's no market just boggles my mind

The ratings argument is especially insane because what do the US ratings have to do with ticket sales in the UK? American sports don't appear on the UK ratings charts at all, therefore the NFL is failing! It's the same dumb logic.

[The Captain]

Probably one of the most unsung markets for wrestling is India. Like WWE does absolutely monstrous numbers for their bigger shows from there.

It'd be pretty cool to see All In from a different international location every year. Maybe next year it's a joint show with NJPW and DDT/NOAH in Japan. Or they could do something with AAA in Mexico. Or somewhere in Mainland Europe like France or Germany.

[lucaslawless]

and to think it was rumoured that Tony Khan hired Wembley for only £350k too.

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Alright guys, confession time. It was me. I bought 59,000 tickets.

[yokohamacpfc]

This surely becomes an annual thing with these numbers you would think? TK got this idea from NFL sides (including his own I think) selling out Tottenham's ground despite there not being a single British player, it getting less TV coverage than wrestling and American football having no history or cultural footprint in the UK. If a relatively small number of people (say 100k) see and enjoy something they watch on TV but are deprived of seeing it live due to distance then they will go out of their way to buy tickets if given the chance.

Re British talent, I agree don't go overboard but I'd make an exception for Zack Sabre Jr as Danielson is desperate for a match with him so give it to him at the biggest show in company history as a thank-you for being such a workhorse. If they can get Okada for the card put him in the match too for a Japan v UK v USA triple-threat World Cup match. That can be your flag-waving bit and of course have the Englishman lose as we always bottle it at Wembley.

[ssdrivin]

May 5, 2023 15:57:02 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

May 5, 2023 15:49:01 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

I think to go along with this (at least with the ratings portion) with everything from cable cutting to DVR, to other avenues, ratings just aren't really the barometer they used to be for how a company is doing. Ticket sales for AEW are solid to very good (could be better but not disastrous as some feared before)

But I said before, just seeing some people just scoff and say there's no market just boggles my mind

The ratings argument is especially insane because what do the US ratings have to do with ticket sales in the UK? American sports don't appear on the UK ratings charts at all, therefore the NFL is failing! It's the same dumb logic.

Not to mention that the ratings in the UK where they would be relevant have been in the hundreds of thousands of live viewers (remember that the UK is like the size of one small US state), despite the dodgy and inconsistent scheduling, and frequently beating WWE's product.

Now it'd be fair to say that WWE's on a premium sports network and AEW's on ITV (which is a free channel and available to basically anybody who owns a TV or has internet), but if the argument is "but the viewing figures!" then WWE are the ones failing hard. Really hard.

Edit: Actually, just to show how absurd this is, Dynamite has had >200k viewers in the UK, where some RAWs have been <50k. So that means, by their logic, that AEW should be able to draw about 250k ticket sales, because Clash got about 60k!

[lucaslawless]

But WWEGareth knows the real stats guys.

twitter.com/WWEGareth/status/1654584392524627968?s=20

[Kalmia]

May 5, 2023 16:13:10 GMT -5 ssdrivin said:

May 5, 2023 15:57:02 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

The ratings argument is especially insane because what do the US ratings have to do with ticket sales in the UK? American sports don't appear on the UK ratings charts at all, therefore the NFL is failing! It's the same dumb logic.

Not to mention that the ratings in the UK where they would be relevant have been in the hundreds of thousands of live viewers (remember that the UK is like the size of one small US state), despite the dodgy and inconsistent scheduling, and frequently beating WWE's product.

Now it'd be fair to say that WWE's on a premium sports network and AEW's on ITV (which is a free channel and available to basically anybody who owns a TV or has internet), but if the argument is "but the viewing figures!" then WWE are the ones failing hard. Really hard.

The ratings in the UK have obviously been good because Dynamite went from being always shifted around and never airing until after 11 pm to having a pretty consistent 9 pm slot. Plus ITV picked up Rampage and All Access. Even without knowing figures, a show doing badly doesn't get that.

I have Dynamite on ITV4 right now and it's kinda funny that whenever Excalibur goes into hardcore shill mode for Wembley and drops the details of where you can get the tickets, the audio cuts out because advertising laws are much stricter here than in the US.

[ssdrivin]

May 5, 2023 16:16:52 GMT -5 lucaslawless said:

But WWEGareth knows the real stats guys.

Hope nobody shows him the consistent trend in WWE viewership where it drops (sometimes drastically) hour by hour...

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May 5, 2023 16:16:52 GMT -5 lucaslawless said:

But WWEGareth knows the real stats guys.

Honestly don't even share those accounts here, not worth the effort to even copy/paste the link to obvious toxic troll accounts

The fact these accounts do this shit daily is so f***ing hilarious to me, like what an absolute waste of time just to make yourself look like such a prick. Must be a joy at parties lmfao

[yokohamacpfc]

May 5, 2023 15:58:50 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Probably one of the most unsung markets for wrestling is India. Like WWE does absolutely monstrous numbers for their bigger shows from there.

It'd be pretty cool to see All In from a different international location every year. Maybe next year it's a joint show with NJPW and DDT/NOAH in Japan. Or they could do something with AAA in Mexico. Or somewhere in Mainland Europe like France or Germany.

They have Sonjay Dutt who I believe was in charge of TNA's Indian push which while I wouldn't call it a runaway success they did better there than a company which was plummeting back home had any right to and certainly equaled WWE's attempts in the same region.

A PPV in Mexico would be very successful I think and I'm surprised Vince has never tried given how much merch and ticket cash Rey has netted him over the years and his hunt for the next Latino star (ADR superpush, Sin Cara hype etc). To be honest they don't go to Canada enough for PPV given the proximity of the major Canadian cities to the WWE's North East US HQ. Vince must lose his passport a lot and only booked Backlash when someone told him you don't need it for Puerto Rico. 

[lucaslawless]

I bet nobody has mentioned that there are still seats still available for Money In The Bank too. At the O2 Arena.. with a capacity of 20,000.

[Zombie Mod]

May 5, 2023 16:05:20 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Alright guys, confession time. It was me. I bought 59,000 tickets.

is that because you missed out on the pizza oven?