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Post by Mid-Carder on May 5, 2023 16:31:50 GMT -5
But WWEGareth knows the real stats guys. Honestly don't even share those accounts here, not worth the effort to even copy/paste the link to obvious toxic troll accounts The fact these accounts do this shit daily is so f***ing hilarious to me, like what an absolute waste of time just to make yourself look like such a prick. Must be a joy at parties lmfao I honestly don't get this mindset at all. I don't watch WWE at all but am pleased to see their attendance at live shows has been so good. I'm happy WWE fans enjoy their product at the moment. It makes zero difference to my life. AEW isn't for you? Don't watch. I just don't get why people are so personally offended by its success. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2023 16:32:07 GMT -5
Alright guys, confession time. It was me. I bought 59,000 tickets. Can you also invest some cash into the Proboards servers so they stop randomly lagging?  |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2023 16:37:05 GMT -5
Honestly don't even share those accounts here, not worth the effort to even copy/paste the link to obvious toxic troll accounts The fact these accounts do this shit daily is so f***ing hilarious to me, like what an absolute waste of time just to make yourself look like such a prick. Must be a joy at parties lmfao I honestly don't get this mindset at all. I don't watch WWE at all but am pleased to see their attendance at live shows has been so good. I'm happy WWE fans enjoy their product at the moment. It makes zero difference to my life. AEW isn't for you? Don't watch. I just don't get why people are so personally offended by its success. Clout That's really it, much like ol Tennis Racket, people feed into this shit, they want to be angry, they want a "war', they want to feed into chaos and make everyone else miserable and want to see one or the other die. For the WWE side, it's because for 20 years, there was no competition, and there was no alternative, so they view that alternative as a threat, and try and talk it down any way they can, even if at this point it's f***ing ridiculous and AEW keeps overachieving and succeeding in the places where it counts. It's pathetic, but the reason they do it and the accounts don't fizzle is they get useless likes that validate their toxic attitude, and it sucks, and that's why I said they ain't even worth paying attention to. This dude in particular had a PFP for months that was essentially body shaming Jericho, so he's a real winner, not worth any of our time lol |
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Post by KME on May 5, 2023 16:45:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's clout with that WWEGareth guy, think it's much more likely he just got kicked in the head by a horse or something, guy is an absolute drip.
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Post by ssdrivin on May 5, 2023 16:46:05 GMT -5
I bet nobody has mentioned that there are still seats still available for Money In The Bank too. At the O2 Arena.. with a capacity of 20,000. I think this is where someone who's down with the kids would probably post a gif of someone "getting owned". Seriously though, yeah, stones, glass houses, all that jazz. Maybe not the greatest time to be trying to laugh at AEW's numbers when WWE aren't even close. I do legitimately wish WWE all the best, because wrestling is wrestling and I want people to enjoy it no matter what company it is, but it's a little silly to be trying to call out a company for not being able to deliver the goods when they're currently stomping your favourite company's ticket sales into the ground. Edit: To get back to the subject of what AEW is delivering at this show, I'm not opposed to a couple of British wrestling cameos, just as a bonus, but definitely don't build the show around wrestlers who aren't your core talent. People are coming to see AEW, not "AEW Presents: Some people most of the audience have never heard of." |
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 5, 2023 16:48:30 GMT -5
The ratings argument is especially insane because what do the US ratings have to do with ticket sales in the UK? American sports don't appear on the UK ratings charts at all, therefore the NFL is failing! It's the same dumb logic. Not to mention that the ratings in the UK where they would be relevant have been in the hundreds of thousands of live viewers (remember that the UK is like the size of one small US state), despite the dodgy and inconsistent scheduling, and frequently beating WWE's product. Now it'd be fair to say that WWE's on a premium sports network and AEW's on ITV (which is a free channel and available to basically anybody who owns a TV or has internet), but if the argument is "but the viewing figures!" then WWE are the ones failing hard. Really hard. Edit: Actually, just to show how absurd this is, Dynamite has had >200k viewers in the UK, where some RAWs have been <50k. So that means, by their logic, that AEW should be able to draw about 250k ticket sales, because Clash got about 60k! Ironically the one Podcaster I mentioned pages ago said that AEW had bad ratings in the UK and didn't have a good TV deal there. But also yeah people underrate the UK market. UK basically kept TNA in good financial standings single handely for a few years |
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Post by lucaslawless on May 5, 2023 16:53:40 GMT -5
I bet nobody has mentioned that there are still seats still available for Money In The Bank too. At the O2 Arena.. with a capacity of 20,000. I think this is where someone who's down with the kids would probably post a gif of someone "getting owned". Seriously though, yeah, stones, glass houses, all that jazz. Maybe not the greatest time to be trying to laugh at AEW's numbers when WWE aren't even close. I do legitimately wish WWE all the best, because wrestling is wrestling and I want people to enjoy it no matter what company it is, but it's a little silly to be trying to call out a company for not being able to deliver the goods when they're currently stomping your favourite company's ticket sales into the ground. Edit: To get back to the subject of what AEW is delivering at this show, I'm not opposed to a couple of British wrestling cameos, just as a bonus, but definitely don't build the show around wrestlers who aren't your core talent. People are coming to see AEW, not "AEW Presents: Some people most of the audience have never heard of." Yeah, I honestly don't get the toxicity. I never watched WCW much back in the day but I didnt hate it, I just prefered WWF. Now you have to truely hate the other product whatever that may be. When back then it was natural and without the ridiculousness of Twitter kids thinking they know all about events and production. |
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Post by FinalGwen on May 5, 2023 16:58:26 GMT -5
Not to mention that the ratings in the UK where they would be relevant have been in the hundreds of thousands of live viewers (remember that the UK is like the size of one small US state), despite the dodgy and inconsistent scheduling, and frequently beating WWE's product. Now it'd be fair to say that WWE's on a premium sports network and AEW's on ITV (which is a free channel and available to basically anybody who owns a TV or has internet), but if the argument is "but the viewing figures!" then WWE are the ones failing hard. Really hard. The ratings in the UK have obviously been good because Dynamite went from being always shifted around and never airing until after 11 pm to having a pretty consistent 9 pm slot. Plus ITV picked up Rampage and All Access. Even without knowing figures, a show doing badly doesn't get that. I have Dynamite on ITV4 right now and it's kinda funny that whenever Excalibur goes into hardcore shill mode for Wembley and drops the details of where you can get the tickets, the audio cuts out because advertising laws are much stricter here than in the US. And like, they've been that good without the live Fite audience which is even more impressive. |
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Post by ssdrivin on May 5, 2023 17:02:06 GMT -5
Not to mention that the ratings in the UK where they would be relevant have been in the hundreds of thousands of live viewers (remember that the UK is like the size of one small US state), despite the dodgy and inconsistent scheduling, and frequently beating WWE's product. Now it'd be fair to say that WWE's on a premium sports network and AEW's on ITV (which is a free channel and available to basically anybody who owns a TV or has internet), but if the argument is "but the viewing figures!" then WWE are the ones failing hard. Really hard. Edit: Actually, just to show how absurd this is, Dynamite has had >200k viewers in the UK, where some RAWs have been <50k. So that means, by their logic, that AEW should be able to draw about 250k ticket sales, because Clash got about 60k! Ironically the one Podcaster I mentioned pages ago said that AEW had bad ratings in the UK and didn't have a good TV deal there. But also yeah people underrate the UK market. UK basically kept TNA in good financial standings single handely for a few years Not really sure how anybody could arrive at that conclusion. ITV4 isn't exactly a channel that screams popularity, but it's universally available, is free, and is clearly doing AEW justice with hundreds of thousands of viewers. Like, sure, if you compare it to US viewing figures, hundreds of thousands sounds poor against a couple of million people watching RAW. But the UK is a fraction of the size of the US, so if you scale it up (67m pop vs 332m pop) then you're looking at the equivalent of about 1 million viewers if it were in the US. Not quite the 2 million that RAW and Smackdown get in the US, but definitely nothing to sniff at. Especially considering we're talking a company that's 4 years old versus a company that's over 50 years old and got rich off a couple of boom periods and had multiple feeder territories (or poaching grounds, if you prefer) in its competition. |
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Post by Bo Rida on May 5, 2023 17:02:54 GMT -5
I bet nobody has mentioned that there are still seats still available for Money In The Bank too. At the O2 Arena.. with a capacity of 20,000. Which is a big shame. They should be selling out instantly but they'd rather exploit one whale than have 20 fans in their place at a cheaper price. I'm sure that maximises profits in the short-term but more going and some of those becoming hooked is better for the the industry long-term. There'll be people going to Wembley who have barely seen an episode of Dynamite. |
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 5, 2023 17:06:23 GMT -5
Probably one of the most unsung markets for wrestling is India. Like WWE does absolutely monstrous numbers for their bigger shows from there. It'd be pretty cool to see All In from a different international location every year. Maybe next year it's a joint show with NJPW and DDT/NOAH in Japan. Or they could do something with AAA in Mexico. Or somewhere in Mainland Europe like France or Germany. Then again WWE has completely failed to turn the Indian market into anything spectacular - but that's because they try to push shitters like Jinder while the average Indian fan just wants to see Randy Orton. There is definitely something there, but India is also a fascist hellhole so one wonders if it's really worthwhile.
Anyway this idea people keep suggesting of All In being an annual international show is just not viable. You're not going to be able to do All In from Camp Nou - for starters most european wrestling fans are fluent in English and that definitely doesn't work both ways.
annual stadium or otherwise "special" show, yes, but it's going to have to eminate from the US or Canada at some stage too and there's no reason for it not to other than assigning the show a random gimmick
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Post by ssdrivin on May 5, 2023 17:10:25 GMT -5
I bet nobody has mentioned that there are still seats still available for Money In The Bank too. At the O2 Arena.. with a capacity of 20,000. Which is a big shame. They should be selling out instantly but they'd rather exploit one whale than have 20 fans in their place at a cheaper price. I'm sure that maximises profits in the short-term but more going and some of those becoming hooked is better for the the industry long-term. There'll be people going to Wembley who have barely seen an episode of Dynamite. Yeah, keeping ticket prices reasonable was definitely the right choice. I'm not exactly qualified to judge what ticket prices should be, these companies have people they pay to figure that out, but it just makes sense to me to pack the place out with people paying a little less than putting everybody off coming to this or any future events with ridiculous premium pricing. You would've thought they'd have learnt from all the complaints about Clash. But I guess they figured people would still pay those prices. Hell, I did pay those prices. Only for a "cheap" seat, but those "cheap" seats at Clash were still almost twice as expensive as All In's cheap seats. There's definitely a balance, you don't want to screw yourself out of profits by letting everyone in dirt cheap when you could've got more money out of them, but you don't want a reputation as a company that's too expensive to watch either. I think WWE leans too far in the "expensive" direction. AEW seem to have got it about right. Not "wow, they must be losing money on this" cheap but not "man, I was going to go, but I can't afford that" expensive either. |
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on May 5, 2023 17:12:17 GMT -5
I don't think it's clout with that WWEGareth guy, think it's much more likely he just got kicked in the head by a horse or something, guy is an absolute drip. Remember that guy that got catfished by “Seth Rollins” then ended up attacking him one night during Raw? If that ever happens again (and jokes/shit posts aside I genuinely hope it doesn’t to ANY performer for ANY company)….I mean… |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on May 5, 2023 17:13:04 GMT -5
Why is there still tribalism over something like this? I’m the biggest Embrace The Hate angle apologist of all time and I hope AEW can crack the 85K mark with this. The bigger the crowd for a pro wrestling show, the happier I am. I love seeing the business as a whole doing strong numbers.
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Post by ssdrivin on May 5, 2023 17:16:02 GMT -5
Probably one of the most unsung markets for wrestling is India. Like WWE does absolutely monstrous numbers for their bigger shows from there. It'd be pretty cool to see All In from a different international location every year. Maybe next year it's a joint show with NJPW and DDT/NOAH in Japan. Or they could do something with AAA in Mexico. Or somewhere in Mainland Europe like France or Germany. Then again WWE has completely failed to turn the Indian market into anything spectacular - but that's because they try to push shitters like Jinder while the average Indian fan just wants to see Randy Orton. There is definitely something there, but India is also a fascist hellhole so one wonders if it's really worthwhile.
Anyway this idea people keep suggesting of All In being an annual international show is just not viable. You're not going to be able to do All In from Camp Nou - for starters most european wrestling fans are fluent in English and that definitely doesn't work both ways.
annual stadium or otherwise "special" show, yes, but it's going to have to eminate from the US or Canada at some stage too and there's no reason for it not to other than assigning the show a random gimmick
The way WWE relies on tacky stereotypes, it's rare that I get the feeling they actually care about the nationality or culture of wrestlers, so it can come across as "well, he's billed as being from the same country as you, that's good enough" rather than celebrating heritage and national importance. Like some kind of token bone they throw in to try and gain favour in some region or other. Some exceptions apply, like maybe Canada, Mexico, Japan, but even then they're quick to put the stereotype before the character. Often they're not even from the places they say they're from. I'd give examples, but I think we could all name dozens of examples of that... |
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 5, 2023 17:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 5, 2023 17:17:55 GMT -5
Why is there still tribalism over something like this? I’m the biggest Embrace The Hate angle apologist of all time and I hope AEW can crack the 85K mark with this. The bigger the crowd for a pro wrestling show, the happier I am. I love seeing the business as a whole doing strong numbers. Good question like honestly I want AEW, WWE, Impact, and MLW to all be healthy I want Freddy Prinze to get his theoretical fed off the ground cause the healthier everywhere is the more m9ney everybody makes and the better the product becomes in theory |
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Post by Bo Rida on May 5, 2023 17:22:25 GMT -5
Probably one of the most unsung markets for wrestling is India. Like WWE does absolutely monstrous numbers for their bigger shows from there. It'd be pretty cool to see All In from a different international location every year. Maybe next year it's a joint show with NJPW and DDT/NOAH in Japan. Or they could do something with AAA in Mexico. Or somewhere in Mainland Europe like France or Germany. Then again WWE has completely failed to turn the Indian market into anything spectacular - but that's because they try to push shitters like Jinder while the average Indian fan just wants to see Randy Orton. There is definitely something there, but India is also a fascist hellhole so one wonders if it's really worthwhile. Anyway this idea people keep suggesting of All In being an annual international show is just not viable. You're not going to be able to do All In from Camp Nou - for starters most european wrestling fans are fluent in English and that definitely doesn't work both ways.
annual stadium or otherwise "special" show, yes, but it's going to have to eminate from the US or Canada at some stage too and there's no reason for it not to other than assigning the show a random gimmick
I'm not sure I get your language point, are you saying it makes promotion and logistics harder? Or TK doesn't have the same contacts in those countries? |
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Post by ssdrivin on May 5, 2023 17:23:39 GMT -5
Why is there still tribalism over something like this? I’m the biggest Embrace The Hate angle apologist of all time and I hope AEW can crack the 85K mark with this. The bigger the crowd for a pro wrestling show, the happier I am. I love seeing the business as a whole doing strong numbers. Good question like honestly I want AEW, WWE, Impact, and MLW to all be healthy I want Freddy Prinze to get his theoretical fed off the ground cause the healthier everywhere is the more m9ney everybody makes and the better the product becomes in theory Was legitimately a shame that TNA/Impact went the way it did. It could've been AEW. OK, so it would've probably needed more sane management, more money, and better booking, but it was the WWE alternative for a while there. When I was looking up the numbers for the list of attendance records, I was shocked that TNA's was so low. If they could somehow come back and get anywhere close to AEW's level to make a third big player, I'd be down with that. Better for everyone, from wrestlers to fans, to have more solid options. |
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Post by The Captain on May 5, 2023 17:31:02 GMT -5
The more companies successful, the better it is for fans and especially for the wrestlers. More competitive places to work = more money for them.
And if you look up Vincel or Edrone in the dictionary, you get a link to Gareth's Twitter page. The man is absolutely pathetic and not even that fun to dunk on.
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