salz4life
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Post by salz4life on May 10, 2023 14:34:52 GMT -5
Zarian said All In is at 68k as of yesterday. Even if they didn't sell another ticket, you'd have to call this a massive success. Exactly, I was thinking between 50,000 and 60,000 is where they would end up.... at this point, I could see it end up between 75,000 and 80,000. This coupled with the upcoming WBD deal should really end the "AEW is not on solid ground" talk. It won't... but it should.
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 10, 2023 14:39:41 GMT -5
I'd personally be very irritated if AEW ran Danielson vs Omega in f***ing Chicago and the stadium crowd got Danielson vs a New Japan midcarder or in a tag match. Forbidden Door is for that. A second rate card full of niche dream matches and dudes who happen to be English is not what we deserve and I doubt it's what we'll get If he's coming going to be making a 1 night return I could see them doing Danielson and McGuinness one more time. Maybe finally give Nigel a decisive win over Danielson. It has to be remembered probably 50% of the crowd have never seen Nigel McGuinness wrestle. TK owns ROH so he can do the mother of all video packages, but McGuinness is not someone like the current generation of Britwres guys who have been familiar names on the indie scene. He was primarily wrestling in the US and he was only really active in TNA for about a year, everything else was "buy the DVD" era ROH and etc - this, let's face it, was 15-20 years ago. So even if he's capable of working a good match now a bit of leg work has to be done
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Post by polarbearpete on May 10, 2023 14:45:17 GMT -5
If he's coming going to be making a 1 night return I could see them doing Danielson and McGuinness one more time. Maybe finally give Nigel a decisive win over Danielson. It has to be remembered probably 50% of the crowd have never seen Nigel McGuinness wrestle. TK owns ROH so he can do the mother of all video packages, but McGuinness is not someone like the current generation of Britwres guys who have been familiar names on the indie scene. He was primarily wrestling in the US and he was only really active in TNA for about a year, everything else was "buy the DVD" era ROH and etc - this, let's face it, was 15-20 years ago. So even if he's capable of working a good match now a bit of leg work has to be done Yeah Nigel McGuinness coming in cold to face one of the biggest AEW names like Bryan Danielson is not the right use of either person for a show as big as All In, in my opinion. The exceptions for outside talent being brought in for me would be Ospreay because of how big of a star he is, and because he’s a free agent early next year so maybe he ends up in AEW; and maybe Sabre Jr.
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 10, 2023 14:55:57 GMT -5
It has to be remembered probably 50% of the crowd have never seen Nigel McGuinness wrestle. TK owns ROH so he can do the mother of all video packages, but McGuinness is not someone like the current generation of Britwres guys who have been familiar names on the indie scene. He was primarily wrestling in the US and he was only really active in TNA for about a year, everything else was "buy the DVD" era ROH and etc - this, let's face it, was 15-20 years ago. So even if he's capable of working a good match now a bit of leg work has to be done Yeah Nigel McGuinness coming in cold to face one of the biggest AEW names like Bryan Danielson is not the right use of either person for a show as big as All In, in my opinion. The exceptions for outside talent being brought in for me would be Ospreay because of how big of a star he is, and because he’s a free agent early next year so maybe he ends up in AEW; and maybe Sabre Jr. If McGuinness somehow could go at the same level as his prime, then he certainly has the name recognition to take the risk. It's a storyline and match that can work, if you use the weeks leading up to it to establish McGuinness as Danielson's old rival and (through the ROH video library) one of the best workers in the world in his prime. But I don't think it's the kind of match where the sheer heat for it would cover up anything less-than-stellar in the ring, it'd be one where the crowd would need proof that they weren't about to watch a gassed 50year old man with hepatitis get dragged to a 6/10 by Danielson before they actually bought in
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 10, 2023 15:05:39 GMT -5
It's funny people are talking about Nigel because this popped up on ROH's Twitter today.
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Post by Kalmia on May 10, 2023 15:07:19 GMT -5
I may be on an island here (yet again) but I'd absolutely love to see Nigel wrestle at All In. Danielson vs McGuiness would be a must-see for me.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 10, 2023 15:10:38 GMT -5
I may be on an island here (yet again) but I'd absolutely love to see Nigel wrestle at All In. Danielson vs McGuiness would be a must-see for me. True story, when I was at University, the first NOAH show to come over here had Danielson, McGuinness, Misawa and Kobashi on the card and it would have been super easy for me to go. I couldn't go because it clashed with the job I was doing at the student union at the time. It is genuinely one of my biggest regrets to not have gone to it. If there's an inch of a chance that I could see McGuinness wrestle in Wembley, I'll be extremely giddy.
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Post by Ryushinku on May 10, 2023 15:12:44 GMT -5
Zarian said All In is at 68k as of yesterday. Even if they didn't sell another ticket, you'd have to call this a massive success. Utterly and completely, yup.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 10, 2023 15:14:11 GMT -5
I may be on an island here (yet again) but I'd absolutely love to see Nigel wrestle at All In. Danielson vs McGuiness would be a must-see for me. Same here. Also because I talked about Nigel with Bryan when I met him.
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Post by lavelleuk22 on May 10, 2023 15:27:11 GMT -5
I may be on an island here (yet again) but I'd absolutely love to see Nigel wrestle at All In. Danielson vs McGuiness would be a must-see for me. True story, when I was at University, the first NOAH show to come over here had Danielson, McGuinness, Misawa and Kobashi on the card and it would have been super easy for me to go. I couldn't go because it clashed with the job I was doing at the student union at the time. It is genuinely one of my biggest regrets to not have gone to it. If there's an inch of a chance that I could see McGuinness wrestle in Wembley, I'll be extremely giddy. I missed the first year but luckily got to the second...the crowd's were tiny which is crazy to think about. Genuine legends and future legends infront of about 100 people, 200 max As far as in-ring action goes I'd still say its the best show I ever went to as well
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 10, 2023 15:30:09 GMT -5
True story, when I was at University, the first NOAH show to come over here had Danielson, McGuinness, Misawa and Kobashi on the card and it would have been super easy for me to go. I couldn't go because it clashed with the job I was doing at the student union at the time. It is genuinely one of my biggest regrets to not have gone to it. If there's an inch of a chance that I could see McGuinness wrestle in Wembley, I'll be extremely giddy. I missed the first year but luckily got to the second...the crowd's were tiny which is crazy to think about. Genuine legends and future legends infront of about 100 people, 200 max As far as in-ring action goes I'd still say its the best show I ever went to as well Oh yeah, I went to the Wolves one because my brother lives there and he lived right next to the Civic Centre and it was a total blast. I got a streamer, threw it and it hit Morishima in the back. I’m still in Witness protection to this day.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on May 10, 2023 15:41:44 GMT -5
WrestleTix has the number at 62-63k which is still a huge success. Now comes the part where AEW puts together a card to try and sell the remaining 20-25k. Will be very interesting...
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Post by ssdrivin on May 10, 2023 15:43:32 GMT -5
If he's coming going to be making a 1 night return I could see them doing Danielson and McGuinness one more time. Maybe finally give Nigel a decisive win over Danielson. It has to be remembered probably 50% of the crowd have never seen Nigel McGuinness wrestle. TK owns ROH so he can do the mother of all video packages, but McGuinness is not someone like the current generation of Britwres guys who have been familiar names on the indie scene. He was primarily wrestling in the US and he was only really active in TNA for about a year, everything else was "buy the DVD" era ROH and etc - this, let's face it, was 15-20 years ago. So even if he's capable of working a good match now a bit of leg work has to be done I don't know if I'm at all representative of the AEW crowd, but the thing about a lot of these names is that if you've cared even a tiny bit about wrestling outside of WWE then you hear of their legendary statuses. Like there was suggestion of a possible Golden Lovers reunion at this show, earlier in the thread. Never seen them wrestle together, don't think I've ever seen Kota wrestle ever. But I sure as hell know they were a big deal with a huge amount of history and emotion behind them. Same as I've heard of McGuinness, how he was pretty well respected, how his career was affected by his unfortunate illness, those kinds of echoes that followed him around in his later roles as an on-screen personality. So although I don't know first-hand who these people are, I would understand why they'd be on the card and why they deserve to be there, and just from the energy around their names in the wrestling scene I could be pretty sure of a really good show. I'd definitely need a crash course to truly get where they've been to get there and I think that would be important to others watching as well, just to really solidify that sort of nebulous aura into something people can invest in, but the buzz of those legacies and the sense of a journey is already there. Edit: Now I think about it, it's kinda like "Oh my god, it's (guy who wrestled loads in other companies who just showed up on TV somewhere new)!" with that sense of "don't know who this is, but they're treating him like a big deal and the smarks in the audience are bellowing his name, so I'm convinced".
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Post by Triangle Lancer on May 10, 2023 16:05:25 GMT -5
Nothing deep to add, bless them all (in) for getting to this point. 🙂
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 10, 2023 16:20:07 GMT -5
It's funny people are talking about Nigel because this popped up on ROH's Twitter today. 15 years later and Claudio not only looks the exact same but he's gotten larger That man has some alien genes lol
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 10, 2023 16:32:08 GMT -5
Zarian said All In is at 68k as of yesterday. Even if they didn't sell another ticket, you'd have to call this a massive success. If they didn't sell another ticket, and 10k people returned their tickets... it'd still be a massive success.
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Post by raymondo316 on May 10, 2023 16:45:39 GMT -5
WrestleTix has the number at 62-63k which is still a huge success. Now comes the part where AEW puts together a card to try and sell the remaining 20-25k. Will be very interesting... Punk officially returning and potentially Mercedes debuting will help move more tickets.
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 10, 2023 18:46:44 GMT -5
Sources are saying AEW is now expecting to draw 210,000 fans to All In at this point. Sources:
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 11, 2023 4:04:21 GMT -5
I'd be up for All In 2 similar to the first but this is an AEW branded show, so they need to be careful not to overload it with too many non-AEW people.
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Post by lucaslawless on May 11, 2023 6:06:02 GMT -5
I'd be up for All In 2 similar to the first but this is am AEW branded show, so they need to be careful not to overload it with too many non-AEW people. This. McGuiness will not get the reaction everyone thinks, neither will Ospray and Sabre to be honest. Should they? maybe.. But use the AEW talent to the max in my opinion. Have a run in from McGuiness maybe. Hell, put him in someones corner leading up to the match at Wembley but dont give him 30 minutes of a huge PPV. There will definitely be UK die hards expecting Brits on the card but there will be an enormous amount of people attending who only know them by name at a push.
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