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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 11, 2023 6:20:52 GMT -5
I'd be up for All In 2 similar to the first but this is am AEW branded show, so they need to be careful not to overload it with too many non-AEW people. This. McGuiness will not get the reaction everyone thinks, neither will Ospray and Sabre to be honest. Should they? maybe.. But use the AEW talent to the max in my opinion. Have a run in from McGuiness maybe. Hell, put him in someones corner leading up to the match at Wembley but dont give him 30 minutes of a huge PPV. There will definitely be UK die hards expecting Brits on the card but there will be an enormous amount of people attending who only know them by name at a push. Nigel's a British legend who was all over American Wrestling TV when TNA was actually being watched as well as ROH, Sabre I might give you, but Will Osprey is currently the top British Wrestler maybe on the entire planet, if he is not on this show it is a major miss imo, you need some home country boys on this card, and even if you included those three men, that's three british wrestlers to the potential dozens that AEW will line the card with of their own talents. It's a damn shame Regal left too because this would have been a huge moment for him he now won't have.
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Post by lucaslawless on May 11, 2023 7:11:35 GMT -5
This. McGuiness will not get the reaction everyone thinks, neither will Ospray and Sabre to be honest. Should they? maybe.. But use the AEW talent to the max in my opinion. Have a run in from McGuiness maybe. Hell, put him in someones corner leading up to the match at Wembley but dont give him 30 minutes of a huge PPV. There will definitely be UK die hards expecting Brits on the card but there will be an enormous amount of people attending who only know them by name at a push. Nigel's a British legend who was all over American Wrestling TV when TNA was actually being watched as well as ROH, Sabre I might give you, but Will Osprey is currently the top British Wrestler maybe on the entire planet, if he is not on this show it is a major miss imo, you need some home country boys on this card, and even if you included those three men, that's three british wrestlers to the potential dozens that AEW will line the card with of their own talents. It's a damn shame Regal left too because this would have been a huge moment for him he now won't have. Fair point. Absolutely agree with Regal. I would have loved to have been there for that welcome! Ospray I'm sure will be on the card, and I don't necessarily mind them being on the show but taking time over the AEW roster without any build up could come across a bit screwy.
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 11, 2023 8:43:56 GMT -5
This. McGuiness will not get the reaction everyone thinks, neither will Ospray and Sabre to be honest. Should they? maybe.. But use the AEW talent to the max in my opinion. Have a run in from McGuiness maybe. Hell, put him in someones corner leading up to the match at Wembley but dont give him 30 minutes of a huge PPV. There will definitely be UK die hards expecting Brits on the card but there will be an enormous amount of people attending who only know them by name at a push. Nigel's a British legend who was all over American Wrestling TV when TNA was actually being watched as well as ROH, Sabre I might give you, but Will Osprey is currently the top British Wrestler maybe on the entire planet, if he is not on this show it is a major miss imo, you need some home country boys on this card, and even if you included those three men, that's three british wrestlers to the potential dozens that AEW will line the card with of their own talents. It's a damn shame Regal left too because this would have been a huge moment for him he now won't have. The only huge moment there is Regal and maybe Ospreay, but he's perennially one bad day away from forming the Savile Appreciation Society with Marty Scurll so I could honestly do without that. ZSJ and McGuiness are Just Some Dudes to the average audience member and AEW already have an English wrestler who is 1) better than them and 2) far more over and familiar to the crowd, and I'm obviously not talking about Kip Sabian.
I think there's a lot of projection from Americans online that because the British crowds tend to be smarkier than the average American crowd, this is going to be an audience comprised of 70,000 diehards who go to RevPro and will make their dreams of seeing some random English indie stalwart get a Hogan pop in front of a whole stadium true. In reality quite a lot of the crowd will be completely normal people, or from other countries, or from the many many areas in Britain and Ireland without easily accessible indie shows that you'd actually want to go to. If Tyler Bate jumped ship and did a run in, he'd probably fail to reach the equivalent pop of doing the exact same thing with the octogenarian Kendo Nagasaki or, I don't know, Paul Chuckle.
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Post by Kalmia on May 11, 2023 9:10:58 GMT -5
McGuiness commented on NXT. There's a whole documentary about him on the WWE Network. He's not a nobody that only indie fans know.
He's also a contracted AEW talent, so if he were to have a match at All In, AEW could spend three entire months promoting it.
If you don't want to see him wrestle, that's fine. There's always AEW wrestlers I'd gladly skip. But people in the stadium will know who he is.
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Post by FinalGwen on May 11, 2023 10:52:50 GMT -5
Honestly the prospect of nonce champion Ospreay being on the card, let alone tying up one of my faves like Omega in a match I'm gonna feel sick for the duration of, is enough to make me way less excited for the show, having him absent would not be a 'major miss' it'd be some actual sense about who to book from a moral perspective for once.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on May 11, 2023 10:59:23 GMT -5
Maybe I’m biased because Nigel is top 3 all time for me but I really think, and hope, he surprises the naysayers in this thread. I think he’ll get one of the pops of the night.
In news I’m less happy about, it looks like Ospreay is confirmed for All In.
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Post by asuka007 on May 11, 2023 11:35:13 GMT -5
Ospreay wins the International Title from OC. Faces Kenny for both that and the IWGP US Belt at All In?
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 11, 2023 11:38:05 GMT -5
Ospreay's always been one of those wrestlers I could take or leave. At this point I'd much rather leave him. The only time I can honestly say I watched a show specifically for a Will Ospreay match was Wrestle Kingdom this past year and frankly that was more to do with Kenny being back in NJPW for the first time in 4 years. You don't even have the justification of "He's a once in a generation talent" because there's so many people out there, who can do the same things he can do but better. Mike Bailey, Takeshita, Kota Ibushi, El Hijo del Vinkingo, and so many more.
Will he have a good match? Probably. Will he pop the crowd? Yeah. Is Meltzer going to cream his pants over his performance and give him a 7* match (which would have been 82* in the Tokyo Dome)? Definitely. Is it going to be a particularly memorable match? No it won't. I'll just remember that he did a lot of cool looking moves, which just sort of become white noise among all the other flashy bullshit in the match and none of it will matter.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 11, 2023 11:44:57 GMT -5
I usually assume, maybe incorrectly, that people who are fans of AEW already have at least some level of knowledge of the indies.
Ospreay and McGuinness are two of the names I'd love to see at All In.
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Post by KME on May 11, 2023 11:59:30 GMT -5
Having seen a lot of Mike Bailey over Wrestlemania weekend I wouldn't put him in the same stratosphere as Ospreay, don't think he can do everything Ospreay can do but better...like at all. Ospreay might not be everyone's cup of tea but you can definitely make the argument he's a generational talent as justification because theres a lot of people who think he is, he's unbelievably talented
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Post by FinalGwen on May 11, 2023 12:06:35 GMT -5
Looking at some of the reactions I'm genuinely curious about what this board would say if Marty Scurll turned up at All In. He's a famous British wrestler, right, crowd'd love him?
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on May 11, 2023 12:11:15 GMT -5
Sources are saying AEW is now expecting to draw 210,000 fans to All In at this point. Sources: The proof? In the doll-slash-pudding And it looks like Ospreay is confirmed according to Big Poppa Meltz
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Post by XIII on May 11, 2023 12:15:14 GMT -5
Hoping for Captain New Japan Union Jack
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 11, 2023 12:27:12 GMT -5
Looking at some of the reactions I'm genuinely curious about what this board would say if Marty Scurll turned up at All In. He's a famous British wrestler, right, crowd'd love him? I think the difference here is that in Will Ospreay's case there's enough degrees of separation between Will Ospreay and the sleaze he's associated with that they can sort of use cognitive dissonance shrug off or at least downplay it. They can say "he didn't actually do the thing, his friends did." It's shitty, but it's a type of shitty that's easier to stomach. With Marty Scurll that's harder, he's not just friends with shitty people, who he continues to support and enable in their shitty behavior, he literally f***ed a drunk 16 year old girl. That being said I'd rather not see either of them, but Scurll's enough that I'd refuse to watch.
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 11, 2023 12:27:51 GMT -5
I usually assume, maybe incorrectly, that people who are fans of AEW already have at least some level of knowledge of the indies. Ospreay and McGuinness are two of the names I'd love to see at All In. There are degrees of "knowledge of the indies". Most of the AEW audience are probably in "will see a viral gif and know contemporary major stars by name" rather than "has an opinion on Misawa or Amazing Red" with the extremes of "uber-smark" and "barely knows anything that isn't on national TV" balancing each other out. I think it's probably untrue to imagine a majority of the AEW audience as the vintage IWC smark types though
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 11, 2023 12:29:52 GMT -5
Having seen a lot of Mike Bailey over Wrestlemania weekend I wouldn't put him in the same stratosphere as Ospreay, don't think he can do everything Ospreay can do but better...like at all. Ospreay might not be everyone's cup of tea but you can definitely make the argument he's a generational talent as justification because theres a lot of people who think he is, he's unbelievably talented I'm not seeing it, he's a big pile of cool moves whose matches are more or less the same every time unless he has an opponent that can force him to do something different.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 11, 2023 12:35:49 GMT -5
I loved the Kenny match but for the most part I just really don't get the appeal of Ospreay at all. He just seems like a guy to me.
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Post by Kalmia on May 11, 2023 13:14:49 GMT -5
Ospreay is a great wrestler but I'd be quite content if I never saw his face ever again.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 11, 2023 13:19:14 GMT -5
I usually assume, maybe incorrectly, that people who are fans of AEW already have at least some level of knowledge of the indies. Ospreay and McGuinness are two of the names I'd love to see at All In. There are degrees of "knowledge of the indies". Most of the AEW audience are probably in "will see a viral gif and know contemporary major stars by name" rather than "has an opinion on Misawa or Amazing Red" with the extremes of "uber-smark" and "barely knows anything that isn't on national TV" balancing each other out. I think it's probably untrue to imagine a majority of the AEW audience as the vintage IWC smark types though You're also not talking about a niche audience, it's literally one of the biggest pro wrestling shows of all time. The entire subscriber base of Honor Club and New Japan World is less than the amount of tickets AEW has sold for this show. People have bought their tickets and will enjoy themselves regardless, but IMO it'd be a huge missed opportunity if the eventual show is a bunch of exhibition matches and inward looking homages to British indie wrestling.
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Post by darbus alan on May 11, 2023 14:31:06 GMT -5
McGuinness IS an AEW guy (All Elite graphic and everything) and I'd expect him to make some sort of appearance at All In. Whether he's going to actually wrestle or not? I don't know if his body's up for it. But the guy's not just an unheard of goober only known to BritWres or anything.
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