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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jul 27, 2023 6:53:51 GMT -5
I do not get the complaining about the build so far. We have a month left to build stuff and things have already been put in the fire. Like, you know the amount of WrestleManias where matches were announced for it at the last second? And not even small matches, f***ing Benoit/Angle was announced the week of WrestleMania 17. Calm down. EDIT: And I'm not just talking about here, all over the place people are being weird about it. Yeah, it's generally preferable to have a good build for each match, and to have most of the matches announced way ahead of the show. However, we're in an age where feuds themselves generally only last a month or two.. much more than that people get bored. On top of that, shows will sell tickets based on the 'brand', as very well evidenced by this show. I don't doubt there is probably going to be some questionable matches ups or booking, but they will be looking to do some big stuff to get the crowd going, I'm sure.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2023 6:56:49 GMT -5
I do not get the complaining about the build so far. We have a month left to build stuff and things have already been put in the fire. Like, you know the amount of WrestleManias where matches were announced for it at the last second? And not even small matches, f***ing Benoit/Angle was announced the week of WrestleMania 17. Calm down. EDIT: And I'm not just talking about here, all over the place people are being weird about it. Yeah, it's generally preferable to have a good build for each match, and to have most of the matches announced way ahead of the show. However, we're in an age where feuds themselves generally only last a month or two.. much more than that people get bored. On top of that, shows will sell tickets based on the 'brand', as very well evidenced by this show. I don't doubt there is probably going to be some questionable matches ups or booking, but they will be looking to do some big stuff to get the crowd going, I'm sure. Also to add to this, from Rampage onwards, there’s 20 hours of TV left to build and announce stuff for All In and All Out so it’s not like there’s a need to rush stuff.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jul 27, 2023 7:12:40 GMT -5
In no universe is announcing 0 matches a month out from your biggest show ever a good idea. There is not another company in the world who would try to do this. Especially a PPV company. It’s baffling.
I do not understand Tony’s insistence on withholding matches from the audience.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 27, 2023 7:17:55 GMT -5
It makes no difference to me if I get a match graphic for Cole/MJF now or two weeks from now. It's not like that image unlocks a build or something. There has been plenty of build. They'll be fine because they are telling stories and AEW PPVs almost always land in the right spot.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2023 7:28:31 GMT -5
It makes no difference to me if I get a match graphic for Cole/MJF now or two weeks from now. It's not like that image unlocks a build or something. There has been plenty of build. They'll be fine because they are telling stories and AEW PPVs almost always land in the right spot. Like, I got my ticket knowing I was going to see an AEW show and watching the product right now, it seems like we're getting Cole/MJF in some form, Moxley/Cassidy, Darby/Wayne vs. Swerve/AR Fox and something involving Death Triangle and the BCC. Sure, of course I'd like something confirmed but, like...I watch the product and know things are going to happen and also realize Collision is Saturday and the 200th episode of Dynamite is next week.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 27, 2023 7:31:46 GMT -5
Just because there aren't matches announced doesn't mean they aren't building towards them
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jul 27, 2023 7:34:53 GMT -5
It is not about us hardcore fans who watch regardless. They still have 10k+ tickets they can sell. Why not try some actual promotion? Hell, we don’t even know how those of us not attending can watch this thing. There is a reason literally no other promotion runs like this. The UFC, who has a much more robust PPV business, gives their main events (and most of their cards) months ahead of time. Because they want to promote it.
Outside of personally not caring - which I understand - can someone give me a reason withholding the card is a better idea than announcing/promoting it?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2023 7:43:15 GMT -5
It is not about us hardcore fans who watch regardless. They still have 10k+ tickets they can sell. Why not try some actual promotion? Hell, we don’t even know how those of us not attending can watch this thing. There is a reason literally no other promotion runs like this. The UFC, who has a much more robust PPV business, gives their main events (and most of their cards) months ahead of time. Because they want to promote it. Outside of personally not caring - which I understand - can someone give me a reason withholding the card is a better idea than announcing/promoting it? The UFC's an entire different system. Of course they announce stuff in advance because that's when people are available to be on those cards. If they could have their biggest draws on every show, they would but that just isnt how MMA works and has ever worked. Same with Boxing, they have to say these things in advance because the fighters need the prep work. And as someone just said earlier, Paul Wight's doing interviews, they've got bus adverts, TV adverts are showing up. It's not like nothing's happening, just not the way of putting up a match card. And if we're talking about how to watch it, BT Sport didn't confirm they were showing Clash at the Castle until two weeks before the actual show last year so, like, there's precedence for UK events.
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Post by dbsot on Jul 27, 2023 7:56:42 GMT -5
It makes no difference to me if I get a match graphic for Cole/MJF now or two weeks from now. It's not like that image unlocks a build or something. There has been plenty of build. They'll be fine because they are telling stories and AEW PPVs almost always land in the right spot. I don't mean to be obtuse, but how many stories are we talking about here? If we include both tv shows, I can think of four. MJF/Cole - Not sure if this will be for the world title or if they win the tag titles Swerve/Darby - This is a recent development, but it did get some shine last night Punk/Starks - This has been building. Admittedly, I hate the face/heel alignment of this feud, but I digress Andrade/HoB - This will probably morph into a trios feud soon Outside of that, there isn't much. BCC vs The Elite is done. The women's division stories are non-existent at the moment. Miro has no direction beside beating people every other week. OC is having great title defenses, but he is just facing people week to week without a singular focused feud. Granted, Moxley may be that person for OC after last night. You could mention Jericho/Callis, but what match are they building towards. Bullet Club Gold is having a good run, but they aren't currently feuding with anyone. Samoa Joe attacked Punk and hasn't been on TV since. Omega could face Ospreay, but that will have to start building next week. The Bucks and Hangman have nothing set up (post B&G). The short version of this is that I can understand announcing the matches the week of the show, but there doesn't seem to be a focus on hyping up All-In as much as it could be.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 27, 2023 8:01:49 GMT -5
It makes no difference to me if I get a match graphic for Cole/MJF now or two weeks from now. It's not like that image unlocks a build or something. There has been plenty of build. They'll be fine because they are telling stories and AEW PPVs almost always land in the right spot. I don't mean to be obtuse, but how many stories are we talking about here? If we include both tv shows, I can think of four. MJF/Cole - Not sure if this will be for the world title or if they win the tag titles Swerve/Darby - This is a recent development, but it did get some shine last night Punk/Starks - This has been building. Admittedly, I hate the face/heel alignment of this feud, but I digress Andrade/HoB - This will probably morph into a trios feud soon Outside of that, there isn't much. BCC vs The Elite is done. The women's division stories are non-existent at the moment. Miro has no direction beside beating people every other week. OC is having great title defenses, but he is just facing people week to week without a singular focused feud. Granted, Moxley may be that person for OC after last night. You could mention Jericho/Callis, but what match are they building towards. Bullet Club Gold is having a good run, but they aren't currently feuding with anyone. Samoa Joe attacked Punk and hasn't been on TV since. Omega could face Ospreay, but that will have to start building next week. The Bucks and Hangman have nothing set up (post B&G). The short version of this is that I can understand announcing the matches the week of the show, but there doesn't seem to be a focus on hyping up All-In as much as it could be. Off the top of my head: 1. MJF/Cole 2. Moxley/Orange 3. Punk/Starks 4. Don Callis Family/Elite saga 5. JAS Breakup Angle 6. Swerve/Darby stuff 7. Andrade/House of Black 8. Jack Perry/HOOK 9. BCC/Death Triangle 10. Storm/Shida
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 27, 2023 8:38:31 GMT -5
It’s not just the lack of matches announced, which isn’t that big of a deal. But the promotion of the event on TV hasn’t been great either. There’s a reason why the talent on TV is always referring to Wrestlemania and mentioning Wrestlemania being the destination months out. It helps build that as the destination show and shows the importance of that particular show, as compared to all of the others. AEW is packing 80,000+ people into that stadium, this should be their Wrestlemania in terms of promotion. Watching Dynamite last night I barely got a sense that All In was even on the horizon.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 27, 2023 9:26:15 GMT -5
It’s not just the lack of matches announced, which isn’t that big of a deal. But the promotion of the event on TV hasn’t been great either. There’s a reason why the talent on TV is always referring to Wrestlemania and mentioning Wrestlemania being the destination months out. It helps build that as the destination show and shows the importance of that particular show, as compared to all of the others. AEW is packing 80,000+ people into that stadium, this should be their Wrestlemania in terms of promotion. Watching Dynamite last night I barely got a sense that All In was even on the horizon. Advertising rules during TV shows are very different in the UK. Whenever Excalibur makes references to tickets being on sale, that is muted on UK TV. Including the sales for Wembley. They can talk about the shows of course, but some of the promotion you see in the US and other countries is cut from pre-taped UK broadcasts so why do it? I'm sure AEW will push harder when the details of how All In will be broadcast are revealed. Instead, AEW are advertising locally. I've seen more about All In than I did about Clash at the Castle. I've seen TV ads and pitch side advertising at some of the biggest sporting events in the UK. I don't recall seeing that for either Clash or MITB.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2023 9:33:32 GMT -5
Advertising rules during TV shows are very different in the UK. Whenever Excalibur makes references to tickets being on sale, that is muted on UK TV. Including the sales for Wembley. They can talk about the shows of course, but some of the promotion you see in the US and other countries is cut from pre-taped UK broadcasts so why do it? I'm sure AEW will push harder when the details of how All In will be broadcast are revealed. Instead, AEW are advertising locally. I've seen more about All In than I did about Clash at the Castle. I've seen TV ads and pitch side advertising at some of the biggest sporting events in the UK. I don't recall seeing that for either Clash or MITB. To put in context about it, when Sky Sports used to air on Raw, they'd have the entire USA feed (skipping the American ads) where they'd talk about where tickets were being sold in the US and in different locations but after a while, they had their own feed so it made ad breaks easier to place in and WWE had to advertise other ways to talk about their tours in the UK. Weirdly, if you watch the NBA games on Sky Sports YouTube, they don't do that as much which I guess makes sense because the laws are different. Not really relevant, just funny to mention.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 27, 2023 9:58:17 GMT -5
It’s not just the lack of matches announced, which isn’t that big of a deal. But the promotion of the event on TV hasn’t been great either. There’s a reason why the talent on TV is always referring to Wrestlemania and mentioning Wrestlemania being the destination months out. It helps build that as the destination show and shows the importance of that particular show, as compared to all of the others. AEW is packing 80,000+ people into that stadium, this should be their Wrestlemania in terms of promotion. Watching Dynamite last night I barely got a sense that All In was even on the horizon. Advertising rules during TV shows are very different in the UK. Whenever Excalibur makes references to tickets being on sale, that is muted on UK TV. Including the sales for Wembley. They can talk about the shows of course, but some of the promotion you see in the US and other countries is cut from pre-taped UK broadcasts so why do it? I'm sure AEW will push harder when the details of how All In will be broadcast are revealed. Instead, AEW are advertising locally. I've seen more about All In than I did about Clash at the Castle. I've seen TV ads and pitch side advertising at some of the biggest sporting events in the UK. I don't recall seeing that for either Clash or MITB. I’m not talking about ticket sale ads or mentions, I’m talking about the wrestlers in-character talking about the show and making the show seem important.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 27, 2023 10:02:51 GMT -5
WHERE'S THE SIGN POINTING?
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 27, 2023 10:09:28 GMT -5
It is not about us hardcore fans who watch regardless. They still have 10k+ tickets they can sell. Why not try some actual promotion? Hell, we don’t even know how those of us not attending can watch this thing. There is a reason literally no other promotion runs like this. The UFC, who has a much more robust PPV business, gives their main events (and most of their cards) months ahead of time. Because they want to promote it. Outside of personally not caring - which I understand - can someone give me a reason withholding the card is a better idea than announcing/promoting it? I'm struggling to picture many people who aren't in the group you'd class as 'hardcore wrestling fans' who would even know who half of AEW wrestlers are. The event itself is the main draw. If you're in any way a fan of The Elite, MJF, Hangman etc. I highly doubt your decision on whether to go this show is dependent on who they're wrestling. Although I didn't actually see (m)any complaints on here about the build, so not sure where this has come from.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 27, 2023 10:14:04 GMT -5
WHERE'S THE SIGN POINTING? Not necessarily sign pointing, but they can certainly do for making the show on-air seem important to the talent. Maybe they plan on it in the next few weeks but it’s wild they haven’t started yet. This should be the most important show they’ve ever run, both in and out of kayfabe.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 27, 2023 10:24:23 GMT -5
I’m not watching enough of AEW these days to really judge the shows or the feuds and stories therein, but… This is literally the biggest show they’d have ever done, one of the biggest in the history of the sport that doesn’t involve the New York office. I don’t think your standard subdued PPV build should suffice here. This warrants the full-court press.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2023 10:27:14 GMT -5
I’m not watching enough of AEW these days to really judge the shows or the feuds and stories therein, but… This is literally the biggest show they’d have ever done, one of the biggest in the history of the sport that doesn’t involve the New York office. I don’t think your standard subdued PPV build should suffice here. This warrants the full-court press. Counterpoint: That is happening in the country that the event is being held in (forgot to even include it being the cover page of the Free papers on the Tube recently) and it’s not even August yet.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 27, 2023 10:30:24 GMT -5
I’m not watching enough of AEW these days to really judge the shows or the feuds and stories therein, but… This is literally the biggest show they’d have ever done, one of the biggest in the history of the sport that doesn’t involve the New York office. I don’t think your standard subdued PPV build should suffice here. This warrants the full-court press. Counterpoint: That is happening in the country that the event is being held in (forgot to even include it being the cover page of the Free papers on the Tube recently) and it’s not even August yet. Counter-counter point: *blows raspberry* (Also, hurry up and come to Australia already so I take my brother up on going to an AEW show before inflation prices us out of it)
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