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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2023 10:34:42 GMT -5
Counterpoint: That is happening in the country that the event is being held in (forgot to even include it being the cover page of the Free papers on the Tube recently) and it’s not even August yet. Counter-counter point: *blows raspberry* (Also, hurry up and come to Australia already so I take my brother up on going to an AEW show before inflation prices us out of it) F***, blew my argument completely! (I also wish this and also wish WWE would figure out if they’re holding another show for you lot rather than speculate on it).
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 27, 2023 11:21:59 GMT -5
As of this Saturday, the two weeks of TV that all their major stuff had been building toward--Blood and Guts and the three tournaments--will have resolved, which I have to imagine is going to play a way bigger part in starting to move the pieces into place for what All In and All Out are going to look like. But it just seems weird to go on about ticket sales and how they need to move tickets by pushing the show on TV if they're going hard on the ground in the UK on moving those tickets. Seems liek it's moving pretty strongly in specific waves; the initial surge happened, now they're on the ground, and now we're in PPV season build time and any UK viewers undecided will start to see stuff happen. Really no different from any other major show AEW has done, and the argument for it doesn't even need to be that it's inherently better than some other method, just that doing it that way has worked out so far very well for AEW. Just a weird way to talk about a show that moved dozens of thousands of tickets on hype alone when first announced.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 12:04:29 GMT -5
I don't mean to be obtuse, but how many stories are we talking about here? If we include both tv shows, I can think of four. MJF/Cole - Not sure if this will be for the world title or if they win the tag titles Swerve/Darby - This is a recent development, but it did get some shine last night Punk/Starks - This has been building. Admittedly, I hate the face/heel alignment of this feud, but I digress Andrade/HoB - This will probably morph into a trios feud soon Outside of that, there isn't much. BCC vs The Elite is done. The women's division stories are non-existent at the moment. Miro has no direction beside beating people every other week. OC is having great title defenses, but he is just facing people week to week without a singular focused feud. Granted, Moxley may be that person for OC after last night. You could mention Jericho/Callis, but what match are they building towards. Bullet Club Gold is having a good run, but they aren't currently feuding with anyone. Samoa Joe attacked Punk and hasn't been on TV since. Omega could face Ospreay, but that will have to start building next week. The Bucks and Hangman have nothing set up (post B&G). The short version of this is that I can understand announcing the matches the week of the show, but there doesn't seem to be a focus on hyping up All-In as much as it could be. Off the top of my head: 1. MJF/Cole 2. Moxley/Orange 3. Punk/Starks 4. Don Callis Family/Elite saga 5. JAS Breakup Angle 6. Swerve/Darby stuff 7. Andrade/House of Black 8. Jack Perry/HOOK 9. BCC/Death Triangle 10. Storm/Shida Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not.
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Post by ssdrivin on Jul 27, 2023 12:46:37 GMT -5
As someone who doesn't watch frequently at the moment, I'm kind of waiting to hear that things are on track so I can binge a big catch-up session and know what to expect at the show.
I do hope it's actually going to have proper angles and not just be an exhibition show.
I kind of need the context to care about talent and matches past a certain point, in terms of wrestling as a storytelling medium, an important part of it for me is knowing who I want to root for, not just gawping admiringly at two respected hands and praising the workrate.
Can't say they're hurting in the buyrate department though, they've already almost packed the place out, I don't think having 6k tickets left is any reflection on what they are or aren't doing. Anybody who was serious about going probably already has tickets, give or take a small handful, so it's not like they've completely dropped the ball. They do need to make it a good show though. Being disappointed by Clash was enough to make me decide I didn't care about seeing another live WWE show, I don't want the same to happen here, to me or other fans.
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Post by 4real on Jul 27, 2023 13:00:20 GMT -5
Please give me Mox v OC in London. Pretty please Mr Khan.
I don’t want BCC vs OC & Best Friends. Don’t give me that.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jul 27, 2023 13:43:25 GMT -5
Off the top of my head: 1. MJF/Cole 2. Moxley/Orange 3. Punk/Starks 4. Don Callis Family/Elite saga 5. JAS Breakup Angle 6. Swerve/Darby stuff 7. Andrade/House of Black 8. Jack Perry/HOOK 9. BCC/Death Triangle 10. Storm/Shida Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not. Could not agree more. There’s not too much juice anywhere on the card. With the possibility of Omega/Ospreay withstanding. This should be the biggest show in AEW history and the presumed card feels like Fight for the Fallen.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 27, 2023 13:48:52 GMT -5
I think MJF/Punk is the biggest possible match but that might be saved for the Chicago show a week later. And I wouldn't exactly be mad at Punk missing out on main eventing here anyway. He doesn't really deserve to main event the biggest show in company history after his antics last year. Most of the tickets were sold when he was still on the outs with the company and his face wasn't featured on any of the original advertising so he can't claim to have drawn the crowd.
MJF/Cole is obviously more likely. MJF has done the impossible and got me into something involving Adam Cole who I never cared about in ROH, NJPW, NXT or his first 2 years in AEW. I don't even think it'd be the end of the world to have no world title match. I'd be cool with FTR turning heel and cheating to beat them this week then MJF/Cole win the titles in a rematch at All In. It's wrestling so obviously either MJF or Cole will turn on the other but I think it would be a mistake to do it right now. They easily have another 3-4 months if not longer before reaching that point. It feels like their dynamic is just getting started. Any big turn should still be a bit away and I think if they pull the trigger in the next month they'll look back in the future and regret not running with it further.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 13:50:12 GMT -5
Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not. Could not agree more. There’s not too much juice anywhere on the card. With the possibility of Omega/Ospreay withstanding. This should be the biggest show in AEW history and the presumed card feels like Fight for the Fallen. I don't really think doing Omega/Ospreay AGAIN is the move for a card of this size but then if you say Kenny/Punk is the match to do you get shit so what can ya do.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 27, 2023 14:00:35 GMT -5
Off the top of my head: 1. MJF/Cole 2. Moxley/Orange 3. Punk/Starks 4. Don Callis Family/Elite saga 5. JAS Breakup Angle 6. Swerve/Darby stuff 7. Andrade/House of Black 8. Jack Perry/HOOK 9. BCC/Death Triangle 10. Storm/Shida Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not. He hasn't even officially announced anything yet and we're acting like he's not gonna go full throttle or stack this card and it'll be forgetful or "Look like Fight for the Fallen" Guys... we should know how Tony books PPV cards by now... he waits awhile, but that doesn't mean the cards aren't gonna be good. Can at least wait till things are official.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 27, 2023 14:04:14 GMT -5
Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not. Could not agree more. There’s not too much juice anywhere on the card. With the possibility of Omega/Ospreay withstanding. This should be the biggest show in AEW history and the presumed card feels like Fight for the Fallen. To play Devil’s advocate, look at the traditional biggest WWE shows ever. WM 3 had Butch Reed/Koko B Ware and the Dream Team vs the Rougeaus. Summerslam 92 had Nailz/Virgil and Crush/Repo Man. WM 17 had the APA & Taz/RTC and Test/Eddie Guerrero. They do need a few “Dear God, THIS is an event!!” matches but there’s going to be some filler on the card. That’s just the way of wrestling.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 27, 2023 14:05:29 GMT -5
Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not. He hasn't even officially announced anything yet and we're acting like he's not gonna go full throttle or stack this card and it'll be forgetful or "Look like Fight for the Fallen" Guys... we should know how Tony books PPV cards by now... he waits awhile, but that doesn't mean the cards aren't gonna be good. Can at least wait till things are official. The card will be good, but I don’t think it’s crazy for people to be slightly worried or to be wishing this was shaping up to be the best/biggest card in AEW history. I think the lack of build to any obvious huge matches, plus the fact All Out is the week after, have people a little concerned. Now maybe two weeks from now, they’ve booked hot angles for Omega-Punk, MJF-Cole, Ospreay-Bryan, Mox-OC, FTR-Bucks, and we can say that we were worried for nothing.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 27, 2023 14:05:37 GMT -5
Honestly this just sounds like a random PPV set of matches rather than the biggest show they've ever done. Hell basically everything they've built would almost be a set of rematches to some degree. That's just what feels like the issue. This should feel HUGE. Tony should be going full throttle in the sense of even doubling the Okada/Danielson and Ospreay/Kenny matches but bigger. And he's just not. He hasn't even officially announced anything yet and we're acting like he's not gonna go full throttle or stack this card and it'll be forgetful or "Look like Fight for the Fallen" Guys... we should know how Tony books PPV cards by now... he waits awhile, but that doesn't mean the cards aren't gonna be good. Can at least wait till things are official. *insert clip of Punk saying THAT'S THE PROBLEM VINCE* Waiting too long to do this IS the issue. We are less than a month out and to have your biggest show ever a month out with no announced matches IS the issue. I know Tony pulling shit out of his ass works all the time, but there's a point where you have to put your foot down and f***ing book.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 27, 2023 14:15:17 GMT -5
He hasn't even officially announced anything yet and we're acting like he's not gonna go full throttle or stack this card and it'll be forgetful or "Look like Fight for the Fallen" Guys... we should know how Tony books PPV cards by now... he waits awhile, but that doesn't mean the cards aren't gonna be good. Can at least wait till things are official. *insert clip of Punk saying THAT'S THE PROBLEM VINCE* Waiting too long to do this IS the issue. We are less than a month out and to have your biggest show ever a month out with no announced matches IS the issue. I know Tony pulling shit out of his ass works all the time, but there's a point where you have to put your foot down and f***ing book. He's nearing 80K tickets sold, I would say he has no reason to rush anything. He is booking, we're seeing things take shape on the cards already. I'm sure he'd speed along if he needed to move tickets but as it stands he can take his time a bit because the show is already stellar I don't think he's pulling anything out of his ass, the dude plans ahead almost compulsively, but cards take place about a month from the PPV, and that's basically what we're doing now. Whatever happens in that tag match probably guarantees our main event for the evening, we're pretty close to a card taking shape here imo
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 27, 2023 14:16:47 GMT -5
He hasn't even officially announced anything yet and we're acting like he's not gonna go full throttle or stack this card and it'll be forgetful or "Look like Fight for the Fallen" Guys... we should know how Tony books PPV cards by now... he waits awhile, but that doesn't mean the cards aren't gonna be good. Can at least wait till things are official. The card will be good, but I don’t think it’s crazy for people to be slightly worried or to be wishing this was shaping up to be the best/biggest card in AEW history. I think the lack of build to any obvious huge matches, plus the fact All Out is the week after, have people a little concerned. Now maybe two weeks from now, they’ve booked hot angles for Omega-Punk, MJF-Cole, Ospreay-Bryan, Mox-OC, FTR-Bucks, and we can say that we were worried for nothing. I don't even know if Bryan's gonna be healthy enough to compete at Wembley but that might be a slight reason for some match announcement delays As it stands I think a few of those matches could in fact be happening, as I said above this week's Collision holds a lot of weight to what some of these matches on the card could be, especially that tag match
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jul 27, 2023 14:27:08 GMT -5
*insert clip of Punk saying THAT'S THE PROBLEM VINCE* Waiting too long to do this IS the issue. We are less than a month out and to have your biggest show ever a month out with no announced matches IS the issue. I know Tony pulling shit out of his ass works all the time, but there's a point where you have to put your foot down and f***ing book. He's nearing 80K tickets sold, I would say he has no reason to rush anything. He is booking, we're seeing things take shape on the cards already. I'm sure he'd speed along if he needed to move tickets but as it stands he can take his time a bit because the show is already stellar I don't think he's pulling anything out of his ass, the dude plans ahead almost compulsively, but cards take place about a month from the PPV, and that's basically what we're doing now. Whatever happens in that tag match probably guarantees our main event for the evening, we're pretty close to a card taking shape here imo I don't think not waiting until 2 weeks out from a show to announce any matches could be considered rushing.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 27, 2023 14:33:16 GMT -5
I don't think Tony pulls cards out of his ass for PPVs. You announce matches when it's time and makes sense within the story. Especially since you have sold a ton of tickets, you have some additional leeway there. And it's also a company in a contract year TV wise which means your weekly shows needs some twists and turns to keep folks invested. We know MJF/Cole will be involved somehow. We know Punk is going to do something. We know the Elite will be there. Some intrigue until then is fine.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 27, 2023 14:34:26 GMT -5
He's nearing 80K tickets sold, I would say he has no reason to rush anything. He is booking, we're seeing things take shape on the cards already. I'm sure he'd speed along if he needed to move tickets but as it stands he can take his time a bit because the show is already stellar I don't think he's pulling anything out of his ass, the dude plans ahead almost compulsively, but cards take place about a month from the PPV, and that's basically what we're doing now. Whatever happens in that tag match probably guarantees our main event for the evening, we're pretty close to a card taking shape here imo I don't think not waiting until 2 weeks out from a show to announce any matches could be considered rushing. Again, this is always how Tony announces cards, and he isn't in a rush because the show's already great. Anything he announces will likely help push tickets, but there are still hanging threads that need to be settled, like the tag match Saturday. I really don't think it's a big deal, we're a month out, they have three shows a week to announce matches for this show... this is where the real build usually begins.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 27, 2023 14:39:00 GMT -5
I don't think Tony pulls cards out of his ass for PPVs. You announce matches when it's time and makes sense within the story. Especially since you have sold a ton of tickets, you have some additional leeway there. And it's also a company in a contract year TV wise which means your weekly shows needs some twists and turns to keep folks invested. We know MJF/Cole will be involved somehow. We know Punk is going to do something. We know the Elite will be there. Some intrigue until then is fine. MJF/Cole have been actually building something interesting, which is great. For the others, I think it’s not really intrigue to just not do meaningful builds with top talent, or have them not mention or be building to the biggest show. Still time to correct it so hopefully they step on the gas next week. As to the twists and turns to TV, last night was one of the least impactful Dynamites we’ve seen. It was almost an extended Rampage in tone and feeling.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2023 14:39:43 GMT -5
I don't think Tony pulls cards out of his ass for PPVs. You announce matches when it's time and makes sense within the story. Especially since you have sold a ton of tickets, you have some additional leeway there. And it's also a company in a contract year TV wise which means your weekly shows needs some twists and turns to keep folks invested. We know MJF/Cole will be involved somehow. We know Punk is going to do something. We know the Elite will be there. Some intrigue until then is fine. Like, for me, I brought a ticket because I knew they’ll all be there and it’ll be AEW in a big stadium and right now, they all seem to be leading to doing things. Outside of telling me they won’t be there, I can’t be let down. Especially since things are happening on TV to lead to potential announcements. I’ll say what I have always said through this; a lot of people are basing stuff off of things that have not happened yet. It’s not even August, we’re just getting off of a big couple of weeks. There have been builds to WrestleManias that have slow starts and lead to bigger things down the line, especially after a PPV, so I don’t see why we should be treating this any different.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 27, 2023 14:43:11 GMT -5
I don't think Tony pulls cards out of his ass for PPVs. You announce matches when it's time and makes sense within the story. Especially since you have sold a ton of tickets, you have some additional leeway there. And it's also a company in a contract year TV wise which means your weekly shows needs some twists and turns to keep folks invested. We know MJF/Cole will be involved somehow. We know Punk is going to do something. We know the Elite will be there. Some intrigue until then is fine. MJF/Cole have been actually building something interesting, which is great. For the others, I think it’s not really intrigue to just not do meaningful builds with top talent, or have them not mention or be building to the biggest show. Still time to correct it so hopefully they step on the gas next week. As to the twists and turns to TV, last night was one of the least impactful Dynamites we’ve seen. It was almost an extended Rampage in tone and feeling. I wasn't necessarily referring to last night but more meaning the Dynamite/Collision shows in August. Those shows need to be strong and help guide towards the show and will play a part in unveiling the card. Now I will say that you shouldn't go full All Out 2022 which I think played too fast and loose with it as the main event and Dark Order/Elite matches were announced with a few days to go. But I think they still have a good runway and Dynamite 200 seems like a good place for them to start that. Blood and Guts seemed like the close on one story and this week's Dynamite more seemed to set up as a bridge between two big shows.
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