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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 28, 2023 11:32:29 GMT -5
I think there's merit to both sides of the discussion, honestly. I get Tony does things his way, but I also think being 3-4 weeks from what could quite literally be the biggest wrestling event in history with no main event is a bit weird.
On the other hand, I get that the cards usually come together with no major issue and they all end up being enjoyable anyways.
My guess is one or two matches get firmed up this week to try and help push them over that final 3K line.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 28, 2023 13:16:26 GMT -5
AEW announced Okada/Danielson & Omega/Ospreay on June 4th, 3 weeks before Forbidden Door. Those announcements alone were enough for most people to declare the PPV an amazing card (the majority of the rest of that card was only announced in the week leading up to the PPV). I feel if AEW just have two massive matches announced by the end of Dynamite on Wed (3 1/2 weeks before Wembley), then a lot of these complaints re: the card for the event disappear. The unknowing is what is getting at people, I think. You have this massive collection of talent and so many options, people just want to be put of their misery and know the card lol. I get that. I've seen so many wishlists and predicted cards for this and to be honest I love like, 90% of them so I'm probably going to be happy no matter what. But then I'm easy to please and I'll be there live too But again, the problem is that Forbidden Door had about 15K people and this has around 80K. It was also always going to have Omega/Ospreay even if that wasn't announced for a while beforehand. That card in general you can basically just glue NJPW/AEW guys together and it'll work out fine. This is just not that. The entire issue I and others are having is that you can't treat this like the normal event because it's not. Even with All Out the next week, that has a capacity of 15-20K or so. Full Gear wil probably take place in front of 12-15K. Grand Slam about the same. These are all going to be solidly attended events, but they're not All In. They need to treat this as a bigger deal than they are on AEW TV, and they're failing to do that right.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 28, 2023 13:39:47 GMT -5
Like, my point wasn’t that it isn’t being treated as a big deal, it’s more people are wildly jumping the gun about things that might start happening next week. Especially with Collision this Saturday basically determining how the World title match will be put together and the 200th Dynamite seeming like a big enough card to spring other stuff from.
It’s just a silly thing to get heated by at the moment. If we’re two weeks out and nothing’s been confirmed, I’ll worry a bit more then but f*** it, I’d go if the card was a QT Marshall gauntlet (because I love QT but anyway).
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Post by johncasey on Jul 28, 2023 15:37:29 GMT -5
The problem I have is that this that when I bought my ticket, I knew that we had to get passed:
Double or Nothing 1st Collision Episode Forbidden Door
Then Blood And Guts got announced.
We now have to wait to see what happens in the MJF/Cole VS FTR Tag Title Match.
And now it appears that something is going to happen with this Jericho and Takeshta Tag Team Match.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 28, 2023 19:42:35 GMT -5
Have they considered, say
Building any matches for this show
Edit: oh I see Discourse is occurring
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 28, 2023 19:46:32 GMT -5
Have they considered, say Building any matches for this showEdit: oh I see Discourse is occurring They very clearly have been building feuds, like this Wednesday's Dynamite was nothing but furthering and creating new storyline developments that a lot of people here praised, this will likely lead to Wembley stuff soon The discourse is happening because the difference of patience in letting stuff develop seems to be wildly different between posters. Next week we could have multiple matches announced that make all of this moot, it's why I really don't wanna engage in any of it, much like Forbidden Door II, they could announce banger after banger very rapidly...
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 28, 2023 19:48:02 GMT -5
Feuds are fine
I think it's not unreasonable to expect even one match to already be announced this close to the show
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 28, 2023 19:51:52 GMT -5
Feuds are fine I think it's not unreasonable to expect even one match to already be announced this close to the show AEW doesn't do that, they have a month till the show still If we don't have a match announcement after next week I'll be confused, this seems like the time where we're gonna start seeing them, and then all this discourse (TM) isn't even gonna matter I hope.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 29, 2023 21:20:20 GMT -5
So I think sone ideas are starting to form:
- MJF/Cole (I don't think either turns before this match) - Punk/someone for the Real World Title (I don't strongly think it would be someone like Kenny or Hangman but it is odd they're all not advertised right now and I don't think the Starks match leads to a trilogy on this show) - Moxley/Orange - FTR/Aussie Open for both titles
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 29, 2023 21:37:23 GMT -5
Was it just me who expected Punk to say he wanted the match with Starks at All In? I was surprised it was announced for next week.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 29, 2023 21:46:00 GMT -5
So I think sone ideas are starting to form: - MJF/Cole (I don't think either turns before this match) - Punk/someone for the Real World Title (I don't strongly think it would be someone like Kenny or Hangman but it is odd they're all not advertised right now and I don't think the Starks match leads to a trilogy on this show) - Moxley/Orange - FTR/Aussie Open for both titles With Joe free due to the strikes, Punk vs Joe for the "REAL TITLE" would work
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 29, 2023 23:27:03 GMT -5
So I think sone ideas are starting to form: - MJF/Cole (I don't think either turns before this match) - Punk/someone for the Real World Title (I don't strongly think it would be someone like Kenny or Hangman but it is odd they're all not advertised right now and I don't think the Starks match leads to a trilogy on this show) - Moxley/Orange - FTR/Aussie Open for both titles Aside from those, I’d hope they’re planning some big, marquee matches for this show to make it feel like a special card (instead of a typical show but in a special setting).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 29, 2023 23:41:02 GMT -5
So I think sone ideas are starting to form: - MJF/Cole (I don't think either turns before this match) - Punk/someone for the Real World Title (I don't strongly think it would be someone like Kenny or Hangman but it is odd they're all not advertised right now and I don't think the Starks match leads to a trilogy on this show) - Moxley/Orange - FTR/Aussie Open for both titles Aside from those, I’d hope they’re planning some big, marquee matches for this show to make it feel like a special card (instead of a typical show but in a special setting). It's weird because we have a camp that wants this to feature mostly AEW talent so they can showcase their brand and others who want those Danielson/Okada like crazy dream matches because of the setting I think there's a middle to be had here, it really depends on what they want for All Out to me, and maybe on if Danielson's cleared.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 30, 2023 2:25:18 GMT -5
I don’t know, man, I watch the shows and can see matches actually being built for the show, I don’t need it spoon fed to me that the matches might happen for the show.
Can we at the very least, the very least, wait until after Dynamite 200 before jumping to conclusions? Please?
I mean, I know the answer is very clearly “No” but I have hope.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 30, 2023 2:32:45 GMT -5
Aside from those, I’d hope they’re planning some big, marquee matches for this show to make it feel like a special card (instead of a typical show but in a special setting). It's weird because we have a camp that wants this to feature mostly AEW talent so they can showcase their brand and others who want those Danielson/Okada like crazy dream matches because of the setting I think there's a middle to be had here, it really depends on what they want for All Out to me, and maybe on if Danielson's cleared. Those aren't two different camps. The people who want it to have only or mostly AEW talent also want those matches to be big. People want to see stuff like Punk vs Omega, Kingston vs Mox, those are matches I've seen mentioned a lot. Neither of them are going to happen but that's just to demonstrate that there are a TON big-name rarely or never done matches on the AEW roster.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 30, 2023 6:37:07 GMT -5
Aside from those, I’d hope they’re planning some big, marquee matches for this show to make it feel like a special card (instead of a typical show but in a special setting). It's weird because we have a camp that wants this to feature mostly AEW talent so they can showcase their brand and others who want those Danielson/Okada like crazy dream matches because of the setting I think there's a middle to be had here, it really depends on what they want for All Out to me, and maybe on if Danielson's cleared. Huh? I wasn’t saying to feature more non-AEW talent. I’m saying they should be putting on the biggest matches they’ve ever put on because of the building they’re running and the tickets they’ve sold. I’d be making this my WrestleMania if I was Khan.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 30, 2023 6:40:24 GMT -5
It's weird because we have a camp that wants this to feature mostly AEW talent so they can showcase their brand and others who want those Danielson/Okada like crazy dream matches because of the setting I think there's a middle to be had here, it really depends on what they want for All Out to me, and maybe on if Danielson's cleared. Huh? I wasn’t saying to feature more non-AEW talent. I’m saying they should be putting on the biggest matches they’ve ever put on because of the building they’re running and the tickets they’ve sold. I’d be making this my WrestleMania if I was Khan. I'm in the same boat, I think the card will be one of the biggest they've put on and it should be as well. I'm just curious who is available, and if he might be waiting on official words like with Hayter ruled out till 2024, might be waiting to see if Danielson can go or not to finalize the card, he'd be one guy I'd wait till the eleventh hour for tbh.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 30, 2023 6:46:55 GMT -5
Huh? I wasn’t saying to feature more non-AEW talent. I’m saying they should be putting on the biggest matches they’ve ever put on because of the building they’re running and the tickets they’ve sold. I’d be making this my WrestleMania if I was Khan. I'm in the same boat, I think the card will be one of the biggest they've put on and it should be as well. I'm just curious who is available, and if he might be waiting on official words like with Hayter ruled out till 2024, might be waiting to see if Danielson can go or not to finalize the card, he'd be one guy I'd wait till the eleventh hour for tbh. It’s going to hinge on what they do with Omega and the Elite for me. A card with MJF/Cole, Mox/OC, Ospreay/Jericho, Omega/Takeshita as the top billed matches doesn’t scream biggest show ever to me, but we’ll see if they pivot into something bigger.
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Post by markymark on Jul 30, 2023 18:27:12 GMT -5
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 30, 2023 18:40:51 GMT -5
This is deranged if it's true
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