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Post by Fake Jesus on Aug 12, 2023 6:42:36 GMT -5
Mox vs OC; Eddie vs Claudio. Or the other way around. That's instantly two major matches on the card. There's no justification for having them as a tag. Omega vs Takeshita and Hangman vs Jay White would also be major singles matches that everyone can get into, but Omega/Hangman/Ibushu vs Bullet Club and Takeshita is also a fine match with a lot more weight than BCC vs OC & Eddie which feels like a Dynamite main event. None of those matches have been announced, so maybe they won't happen, or not like that, but hearing that Khan was considering putting Mike Bennett on this card makes me think he's operating in his own little world.
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 12, 2023 7:13:06 GMT -5
I can't speak to why everyone else booked tickets, but let's be real here, it's Wembley f'n Stadium. You don't book a show there unless you're... uh...well, all in.
We're not talking "AEW's doing a show in the UK", we're talking "AEW's booked the largest, best known, biggest of the big time, most densely historic sporting arena in the country, second biggest in entire continent, one of the top 20 in the world".
A stadium with a capacity that makes the majority of WWE's historic shows look like the Hammerstein Ballroom. The same site that hosted SummerSlam '92. In a country known for crowd heat that makes the sun look like an ice cube.
People were thinking AEW had made a mistake when they announced the venue or that they'd misheard where the event was going to be, that it surely must be the 12k seat Wembley Arena, it was that much of a shock.
I'm not saying it's fair to make blanket statements about why tens of thousands of people bought tickets, obviously nobody can do that, but you have to think about the context. It had to be a gigantic show. It couldn't not be. It'd be any promotion's biggest show (WWE excepted, because that'd be mathematically impossible). Unless it was going to fail hard and get TNA'd with a few thousand people in the front row and 75k seats empty and the lights turned off, which despite the early scepticism by some online naysayers wasn't likely to happen, not when the UK (and mainland Europe, just over the river) is starved for big time wrestling events and AEW's the #2 promotion.
Sure, it could totally be, or have been, an exhibition show. But it'd be ludicrous to squander an opportunity like this on a bunch of workrate matches with indie cameos. It's an AEW show, it's not a ROH show, not an NJPW show. You'd have to be either insane or a terrible booker to mess that up. It has to matter.
I'm going on a bit, but I can't oversell just how much of a big deal this show is, just on the venue choice alone. They didn't have to say anything else, they didn't have to make any promises, they didn't have to announce a card, just the two words "Wembley Stadium" are a huge mic drop for anybody not-WWE.
Bang on. I don't think people have realised what a big deal booking Wembley is. It's not just your biggest crowd by multiple factors, it's in a stadium and name with over a century of history, a name recognised worldwide for sports and entertainment. The white horse final, live aid, dozens upon dozens of finals. This is not just a random show. This should be THE show, where AEW announces itself into the global stage. And it feels like an after thought. I bought tickets expecting a stadium show. And so far we have one match in the main event that has actual story and stakes. That's simply incompetence
Yeah, and I mean I get the arguments about "you have to save something for All Out" or "not everybody can be on the card", but with all due respect I don't think a 20k arena in Chicago (even if you've got a hot angle with Punk) even registers as a blip on the chart in comparison. It's not as though there's a shortage of mainstream wrestling shows in "some city in the USA". All three of the promotions anybody's heard of are going through that area before the end of the year, all three of them with PPVs (Bound for Glory, Survivor Series, and of course All Out). It's a normal, regular, run of the mill thing that happens, in a venue with an unremarkable capacity.
In contrast, you don't get "just another first time in Wembley Stadium".
I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't be meaningful as a PPV, but if you've got a choice of which one to sacrifice the quality of, it ain't the Wembley Stadium show. I do think they're a victim of circumstance, likely being forced to book those two shows together like that, which sucks, and I'm not saying Chicago should get a crap, meaningless show because we deserve it more, but if you're forced to make that choice of which one to focus the energy on, it's a no contest.
It's business, if nothing else, you just can't phone in the event that will define your company as a very serious contender in the history of pro wrestling, putting it squarely in the #2 spot of all time. You have to throw everything you've got at making it the jewel in the crown of your company's entire existence up to that point and show the world what you're capable of bringing.
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Post by discoelysium on Aug 12, 2023 7:16:01 GMT -5
Bang on. I don't think people have realised what a big deal booking Wembley is. It's not just your biggest crowd by multiple factors, it's in a stadium and name with over a century of history, a name recognised worldwide for sports and entertainment. The white horse final, live aid, dozens upon dozens of finals. This is not just a random show. This should be THE show, where AEW announces itself into the global stage. And it feels like an after thought. I bought tickets expecting a stadium show. And so far we have one match in the main event that has actual story and stakes. That's simply incompetence
Yeah, and I mean I get the arguments about "you have to save something for All Out" or "not everybody can be on the card", but with all due respect I don't think a 20k arena in Chicago (even if you've got a hot angle with Punk) even registers as a blip on the chart in comparison. It's not as though there's a shortage of mainstream wrestling shows in "some city in the USA". All three of the promotions anybody's heard of are going through that area before the end of the year, all three of them with PPVs (Bound for Glory, Survivor Series, and of course All Out). It's a normal, regular, run of the mill thing that happens, in a venue with an unremarkable capacity.
In contrast, you don't get "just another first time in Wembley Stadium".
I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't be meaningful as a PPV, but if you've got a choice of which one to sacrifice the quality of, it ain't the Wembley Stadium show. I do think they're a victim of circumstance, likely being forced to book those two shows together like that, which sucks, and I'm not saying Chicago should get a crap, meaningless show because we deserve it more, but if you're forced to make that choice of which one to focus the energy on, it's a no contest.
It's business, if nothing else, you just can't phone in the event that will define your company as a very serious contender in the history of pro wrestling, putting it squarely in the #2 spot of all time. You have to throw everything you've got at making it the jewel in the crown of your company's entire existence up to that point and show the world what you're capable of bringing.
I don't accept the 'save something for all out' argument. AEW has insane roster depth. You could easily do two supercards. But the writings been so shit for a while now that both cards are in a limbo space
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 12, 2023 7:27:16 GMT -5
Yeah, and I mean I get the arguments about "you have to save something for All Out" or "not everybody can be on the card", but with all due respect I don't think a 20k arena in Chicago (even if you've got a hot angle with Punk) even registers as a blip on the chart in comparison. It's not as though there's a shortage of mainstream wrestling shows in "some city in the USA". All three of the promotions anybody's heard of are going through that area before the end of the year, all three of them with PPVs (Bound for Glory, Survivor Series, and of course All Out). It's a normal, regular, run of the mill thing that happens, in a venue with an unremarkable capacity.
In contrast, you don't get "just another first time in Wembley Stadium".
I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't be meaningful as a PPV, but if you've got a choice of which one to sacrifice the quality of, it ain't the Wembley Stadium show. I do think they're a victim of circumstance, likely being forced to book those two shows together like that, which sucks, and I'm not saying Chicago should get a crap, meaningless show because we deserve it more, but if you're forced to make that choice of which one to focus the energy on, it's a no contest.
It's business, if nothing else, you just can't phone in the event that will define your company as a very serious contender in the history of pro wrestling, putting it squarely in the #2 spot of all time. You have to throw everything you've got at making it the jewel in the crown of your company's entire existence up to that point and show the world what you're capable of bringing.
I don't accept the 'save something for all out' argument. AEW has insane roster depth. You could easily do two supercards. But the writings been so shit for a while now that both cards are in a limbo space
Well, it's a PPV, and it's gotta move buys, right? That's why I get it as a concept, they do have to make it matter in its own way. But you're right, I think it is still possible with the roster they have to put on two great shows. I just don't see it as a reasonable argument for Favourite Upper-Card Wrestler X to not be doing something important at All In, like "because their big moment will be at All Out instead". I don't think that justifies sticking them in a meaningless spot on the card.
I do agree with those saying that it's probably going to be a great experience anyway, I'm going because it's the most massive wrestling show I'm ever likely to see, in person, on a scale that I've never had the chance to experience, from a promotion I know, with talent I recognise and respect. But that doesn't mean the writing is any less important. If they put on a card full of oddball "contrived WWE tag team" and random clusterfest multi-man matches, that's going to lessen the impact, it's going to dilute how meaningful this milestone event in AEW's history is. To echo some of the stuff said earlier, this should be WrestleMania, not Backlash.
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Post by discoelysium on Aug 12, 2023 7:51:48 GMT -5
I don't accept the 'save something for all out' argument. AEW has insane roster depth. You could easily do two supercards. But the writings been so shit for a while now that both cards are in a limbo space
Well, it's a PPV, and it's gotta move buys, right? That's why I get it as a concept, they do have to make it matter in its own way. But you're right, I think it is still possible with the roster they have to put on two great shows. I just don't see it as a reasonable argument for Favourite Upper-Card Wrestler X to not be doing something important at All In, like "because their big moment will be at All Out instead". I don't think that justifies sticking them in a meaningless spot on the card.
I do agree with those saying that it's probably going to be a great experience anyway, I'm going because it's the most massive wrestling show I'm ever likely to see, in person, on a scale that I've never had the chance to experience, from a promotion I know, with talent I recognise and respect. But that doesn't mean the writing is any less important. If they put on a card full of oddball "contrived WWE tag team" and random clusterfest multi-man matches, that's going to lessen the impact, it's going to dilute how meaningful this milestone event in AEW's history is. To echo some of the stuff said earlier, this should be WrestleMania, not Backlash.
Yeah I've no doubt the atmosphere and 'I was there' aspect will be great. But it's just sad for me that I was more excited when I got the tickets months ago than I am now 2 weeks out
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Post by lucaslawless on Aug 12, 2023 8:08:10 GMT -5
As much as a few others have said we need to hang on to see what the card is it really is becoming a little bit of a struggle doing that. They should have built this card from the moment they announced it. Hell, even AEW are dropping the ball with merch, There are Facebook groups flogging counterfeit tshirts already with many, many people ordering knock off tshirts. They need to lock in the Omega match and Punk match this wednesday. Officially. Hell get Omega and the Bucks to show up after the FTR tag match on Collision tonight. Give people some over the top hype now. If MJF and Cole are just on Zero Hour for nothing, that doesnt escalate to the main event what is the point?
Moxley, Omega, Jericho, Punk, Starks, Hangman, Wardlow, The Acclaimed, Jay White, Miro, House of Black, The Hardyz, Jarrett, Guevara.. all have to fit in somehwere.
Yes, I know some are a given and already teased but with 15 days away you're pushing your luck and playing with fire somewhat. Yes, Its big, yes it should sell out, yes it will be great but It NEEEDS to be everything that AEW has got. Im not saying it will and neither am I one to be negative about it but the show could be a total flop.
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 12, 2023 8:11:25 GMT -5
Well, it's a PPV, and it's gotta move buys, right? That's why I get it as a concept, they do have to make it matter in its own way. But you're right, I think it is still possible with the roster they have to put on two great shows. I just don't see it as a reasonable argument for Favourite Upper-Card Wrestler X to not be doing something important at All In, like "because their big moment will be at All Out instead". I don't think that justifies sticking them in a meaningless spot on the card.
I do agree with those saying that it's probably going to be a great experience anyway, I'm going because it's the most massive wrestling show I'm ever likely to see, in person, on a scale that I've never had the chance to experience, from a promotion I know, with talent I recognise and respect. But that doesn't mean the writing is any less important. If they put on a card full of oddball "contrived WWE tag team" and random clusterfest multi-man matches, that's going to lessen the impact, it's going to dilute how meaningful this milestone event in AEW's history is. To echo some of the stuff said earlier, this should be WrestleMania, not Backlash.
Yeah I've no doubt the atmosphere and 'I was there' aspect will be great. But it's just sad for me that I was more excited when I got the tickets months ago than I am now 2 weeks out
To be fair, so was I, but I think that's to be expected to some extent, we can't stay perma-hyped for months. I'm ramping back up a bit now, with it actually happening soon. I'm definitely going to be buzzing when it actually happens.
I'm not super hyped for the matches announced so far, nothing's really ringing my bell to where I'm "YES! I'M GONNA BE THERE IN THE BUILDING FOR THIS!", but I'm pretty jazzed about getting to see Sting at least, and I'm sure the rest will be at least an entertaining, (more than) competent wrestling show.
I could definitely do with a couple more can't-miss matches though, to really get the excitement dial up into the red. Some stuff I'm personally invested in, some moments I can get behind and lose myself in. I won't bother speculating or fantasy booking, wouldn't want to disappoint myself or others, but whatever it is I'm looking for isn't there yet.
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 12, 2023 8:19:37 GMT -5
As much as a few others have said we need to hang on to see what the card is it really is becoming a little bit of a struggle doing that. They should have built this card from the moment they announced it. Hell, even AEW are dropping the ball with merch, There are Facebook groups flogging counterfeit tshirts already with many, many people ordering knock off tshirts. They need to lock in the Omega match and Punk match this wednesday. Officially. Hell get Omega and the Bucks to show up after the FTR tag match on Collision tonight. Give people some over the top hype now. If MJF and Cole are just on Zero Hour for nothing, that doesnt escalate to the main event what is the point? Moxley, Omega, Jericho, Punk, Starks, Hangman, Wardlow, The Acclaimed, Jay White, Miro, House of Black, The Hardyz, Jarrett, Guevara.. all have to fit in somehwere. Yes, I know some are a given and already teased but with 15 days away you're pushing your luck and playing with fire somewhat. Yes, Its big, yes it should sell out, yes it will be great but It NEEEDS to be everything that AEW has got. Im not saying it will and neither am I one to be negative about it but the show could be a total flop.
Although I'd enjoy the chance to finally see them live, I don't think Jeff's going to be able to make it.
But most of those other names, they'd be important to me to be on the card, and they should have no reasons why they can't be, so I do want to know what I should be getting pumped for, like discoelysium said we need to be on a big ramp up at this point, we need to be building to the big day, it's two weeks away and I'm still looking for my "holy shit" match.
I don't think there's any worries about selling out though, it almost already has done and I can't imagine there's going to be a massive dump of tickets from disappointed fans who are going to throw their toys out of the pram because of the booking, it's a can't-miss show even just for the sheer scale of it, and the chance for Europeans to raise the roof (if Wembley had one) for AEW and more big time pro wrestling this side of the pond.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 12, 2023 8:27:09 GMT -5
I would love to send the last 20 pages of this thread back in time to when the show was first announced.
We're at 80,000 tickets sold (or near enough) the main event is the biggest main event AEW can do with the current storylines, we're getting the two best tag teams facing off for the belts, Sting is wrestling, and the discussion is going around in circles over whether the show is big enough or not.
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 12, 2023 8:36:23 GMT -5
I would love to send the last 20 pages of this thread back in time to when the show was first announced. We're at 80,000 tickets sold (or near enough) the main event is the biggest main event AEW can do with the current storylines, we're getting the two best tag teams facing off for the belts, Sting is wrestling, and the discussion is going around in circles over whether the show is big enough or not.
There's two types of "big" here though.
There's the "holy shit it's Wembley f'n Stadium and AEW's in it" big, which is unquestionable, that's a done deal, that's happening.
Then there's the "holy shit it's X vs Y and I can't wait to see that happen in the same building right in front of my actual eyes, I'm going to scream a hole in my throat".
You can have one or the other, you can have a giant arena that's full of fans sitting on their hands and you can have a tiny arena that's at risk of structural collapse under the strain of 15 thousand fans absolutely losing their minds at a dream match or a massive cathartic blood feud-ending blow off.
But the best case scenario is both at the same time. The second thing is going to be different for everybody, 'cos everyone has their own favourite wrestlers and dream match-ups, although it helps if it's relevant to some hot angle or other that's happening. The trick, I think, is to provide enough variety to get different types of fans hyped, so everyone gets a moment of "this is why I paid hundreds of pounds to be here, I wouldn't have missed this for the world". I don't think we're there yet, I think the card's still a bit too undercooked to know if we're all going to get that, which is concerning people who don't have their hype match yet.
It is definitely going to be a hot show regardless of the matches, just for me personally I'm gonna need something a bit more up my street to really lose my mind, and I want to lose my mind.
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Post by lucaslawless on Aug 12, 2023 8:38:03 GMT -5
I would love to send the last 20 pages of this thread back in time to when the show was first announced. We're at 80,000 tickets sold (or near enough) the main event is the biggest main event AEW can do with the current storylines, we're getting the two best tag teams facing off for the belts, Sting is wrestling, and the discussion is going around in circles over whether the show is big enough or not. I dont think any of us are disapointed with what we have so far. What Im more disapointed about is the entire event almost taking a back seat when we could have had some fantastic build-ups with this thread having match discussions for the last 2 months instead of speculation - You cant blame anybody when we are all heading there in 2 weeks! The show is big enough and will go down in history too. Though, it does leave some thought on if the card is simply being thrown together to cater for All Out when like others have said Wembley should be AEW's most important showcase they've ever held.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 12, 2023 9:11:36 GMT -5
I would love to send the last 20 pages of this thread back in time to when the show was first announced. We're at 80,000 tickets sold (or near enough) the main event is the biggest main event AEW can do with the current storylines, we're getting the two best tag teams facing off for the belts, Sting is wrestling, and the discussion is going around in circles over whether the show is big enough or not. I dont think any of us are disapointed with what we have so far. What Im more disapointed about is the entire event almost taking a back seat when we could have had some fantastic build-ups with this thread having match discussions for the last 2 months instead of speculation - You cant blame anybody when we are all heading there in 2 weeks! The show is big enough and will go down in history too. Though, it does leave some thought on if the card is simply being thrown together to cater for All Out when like others have said Wembley should be AEW's most important showcase they've ever held. That's fair, but this is how AEW books. Their PPV cards always come together in the last couple of weeks. Apart from the main events, it's often how WWE books Wrestlemania as well. I just think that a lot of the disappointment in this thread comes from people expecting stuff that AEW has never done or delivered before. Yes, it's the biggest show AEW has done but that doesn't mean AEW is going to tear up it's entire playbook. It's not even in AEW's primary market, after all. The people watching the show every week and contributing to the viewing figures that matter (the US ones that are going to get them the new deal) aren't even going to be at the show. I'm going to Wembley but I'm trying to be realistic about it and what the show is going to be.
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 12, 2023 9:54:04 GMT -5
I dont think any of us are disapointed with what we have so far. What Im more disapointed about is the entire event almost taking a back seat when we could have had some fantastic build-ups with this thread having match discussions for the last 2 months instead of speculation - You cant blame anybody when we are all heading there in 2 weeks! The show is big enough and will go down in history too. Though, it does leave some thought on if the card is simply being thrown together to cater for All Out when like others have said Wembley should be AEW's most important showcase they've ever held. That's fair, but this is how AEW books. Their PPV cards always come together in the last couple of weeks. Apart from the main events, it's often how WWE books Wrestlemania as well. I just think that a lot of the disappointment in this thread comes from people expecting stuff that AEW has never done or delivered before. Yes, it's the biggest show AEW has done but that doesn't mean AEW is going to tear up it's entire playbook. It's not even in AEW's primary market, after all. The people watching the show every week and contributing to the viewing figures that matter (the US ones that are going to get them the new deal) aren't even going to be at the show.I'm going to Wembley but I'm trying to be realistic about it and what the show is going to be.
But they need to know what they're buying the PPV for too, especially seeing as there's two of them in close proximity.
Also, tell that to TNA, who ran bigger events here than most of what they could manage in the US. We might not be as big, demographically or geographically, but wrestling fans here are rabid, it would be stupid to ignore us as a market that matters, and the fans caring is what means eyeballs on TV sets, which is what gets networks the ad cheques. In a time where traditional TV is on the decline, they need content providers like AEW. Inside and outside of the US.
I get that this is AEW's modus operandi, but sometimes you need to tweak things to the situation, and this is a situation that could use a little more fine-tuning. Not saying they should've announced the card outright when they said "we're coming to London" or anything, but it's a lot less likely to make people nervous when they've paid $20 to get into a 7k capacity hall for a random episode of Collision than it is to make people nervous when they've paid a fair bit more to get into an 80k capacity stadium for the biggest PPV AEW's ever had (or is likely to have in the near term).
I think that warrants a bit more up front in terms of booking, a bit more "this is WHY it's going to be our biggest show ever" to justify the size of the thing. I think people are wanting to be reassured that AEW aren't going to blow this with a hotchpotch card of cameos, exhibition matches, and throwaway multi-man clusterfests. They want it to matter, to them and to AEW, they want it to be that WrestleMania (or SummerSlam) that they'll remember until they die, and they don't like the uncertainty we're seeing as to whether it will be that or not.
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Post by 4real on Aug 12, 2023 10:58:01 GMT -5
Aussie Open calling England a third world country compared to Australia is all the motivation I needed to get into their match at All In Zero Hour. Boo these men! I want MJF & Cole to hit MULTIPLE double clotheslines!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 12, 2023 11:22:05 GMT -5
Like, I don’t know, man, a lot of the arguments are built on stuff we can’t really know until during or after the show. Like, what do we mean when they say “Well, this needs to be a show that makes memories”? What does that have to do with the card we have now and the build we have?
We’re talking about, right now, Twitter and here, both having people who, honestly, have moments where they write things to get attention and responses for dopamine. How much of the audience does that really cover? How many had an ideal card in mind and are going to re-sell if Grado vs. Jeff Jarrett got somehow announced? Because it all feels like scenarios people are just making up without much substance yet, to be honest.
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 12, 2023 11:27:05 GMT -5
I dont think any of us are disapointed with what we have so far. What Im more disapointed about is the entire event almost taking a back seat when we could have had some fantastic build-ups with this thread having match discussions for the last 2 months instead of speculation - You cant blame anybody when we are all heading there in 2 weeks! The show is big enough and will go down in history too. Though, it does leave some thought on if the card is simply being thrown together to cater for All Out when like others have said Wembley should be AEW's most important showcase they've ever held. That's fair, but this is how AEW books. Their PPV cards always come together in the last couple of weeks. Apart from the main events, it's often how WWE books Wrestlemania as well. I just think that a lot of the disappointment in this thread comes from people expecting stuff that AEW has never done or delivered before. Yes, it's the biggest show AEW has done but that doesn't mean AEW is going to tear up it's entire playbook. It's not even in AEW's primary market, after all. The people watching the show every week and contributing to the viewing figures that matter (the US ones that are going to get them the new deal) aren't even going to be at the show. I'm going to Wembley but I'm trying to be realistic about it and what the show is going to be. Not the primary market? This is the event they should be pointing too for every negotiation for years to come and the bigger and better received it is the better. Half the problems every other non WWE promotion has had is how small time they look or act, this is the biggest advert they'll ever have to prove they're different and have potential for more growth. Obviously the visual and attendance/money stats alone are enough in most respects but the better received it is the more it'll help and give the impression it's not a one off. Away from that international fans are still a big part of the business, many of us even subscribe to a service when we could watch it free. Ppvs. Dazn deal in most of Eurpope. All the international partnerships, including content on the big Japanese companies streaming services. Future international deals. Future international shows. Somewhere like Perth might pay for a big event there. It's in their best interest not to give the impression other markets aren't as important. Of course nothing suggests it'll be shit and burn fans so it'll still do all that but the better the show is the more it'll help.
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Post by khali on Aug 12, 2023 12:00:43 GMT -5
Remember when people got annoyed that RVD would take up a spot at All In and then it didn’t happen on that show anyway?
Now we’re just doing that about the whole rumored card, writing paragraphs on paragraphs about it when we don’t know yet.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 12, 2023 12:05:22 GMT -5
Aussie Open calling England a third world country compared to Australia is all the motivation I needed to get into their match at All In Zero Hour. Boo these men! I want MJF & Cole to hit MULTIPLE double clotheslines! “Alex Carey did the right thing” They wouldn’t get out of Wembley alive.
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Post by lucaslawless on Aug 12, 2023 12:26:48 GMT -5
What if Daddy Ass returns and we get The Acclaimed vs House of Black for the Trios titles.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 12, 2023 12:29:24 GMT -5
Cole/MJF, Joe/Punk, Bucks/FTR, Shida/Storm/Baker/Saraya, and a Darby and Sting/Swerve and AR brawl are at the top of the card, Aussie Open is on the preshow, there's more on the way, and we're treating this like some B card PPV?
What, and I repeat, what the actual @#$%?
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