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Post by lucaslawless on Aug 12, 2023 12:39:27 GMT -5
Nobody is treating it like that. Everyone is just speculating because we know no different. Unforunately, everyone expects the best which in turn could under deliver. I have high hopes that it wont as Im sure all of us have but with the unknown thats what unfortunately happens. I quite enjoy speculative ideas though.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Aug 12, 2023 12:50:06 GMT -5
Unless it gets officially announced I'm not buying that Kenny is in a tag match. I still think it's him v Takeshita 1 on 1.
Elite v CMFTR would be one thing but any other tag right now I don't think has the gravitas of a big Kenny singles match for a show like this. Kenny/Hangman (Ibushi?) v Takeshita/Ospreay (Jericho?) is a match you do on TV to build to the big show, not on the big show itself.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 12, 2023 12:54:50 GMT -5
Saying that something like Omega/Hangman/Ibushi vs. (based on rumors) Bullet Club and Takeshita (or Ospreay and Jericho, whomever) won't be wrestled like a PPV caliber match kind of blows my mind. This company is basically built on insane PWG style six man matches and many of the participants involved in that are way into over the top storytelling in basically all their matches, I really, really don't think they'd run a match like that in Wembley and not treat it like a big deal with story/character ramifications.
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Post by khali on Aug 12, 2023 13:23:56 GMT -5
Saying that something like Omega/Hangman/Ibushi vs. (based on rumors) Bullet Club and Takeshita (or Ospreay ad Jericho, whomever) won't be wrestled like a PPV caliber match kind of blows my mind. This company is basically built on insane PWG style six man matches and many of the participants involved in that are way into over the top storytelling in basically all their matches, I really, really don't think they'd run a match like that in Wembley and not treat it like a big deal with story/character ramifications. Yeah, people are acting like it’ll be a house show or dark match with the way they’re talking about it. It’ll be an absurd, fantastic match (if they do it).
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 12, 2023 13:25:27 GMT -5
Saying that something like Omega/Hangman/Ibushi vs. (based on rumors) Bullet Club and Takeshita (or Ospreay ad Jericho, whomever) won't be wrestled like a PPV caliber match kind of blows my mind. This company is basically built on insane PWG style six man matches and many of the participants involved in that are way into over the top storytelling in basically all their matches, I really, really don't think they'd run a match like that in Wembley and not treat it like a big deal with story/character ramifications. The rumoured match makes no sense to the point I can't believe it's true. Takeshita has turned his back on 2 out of 3 stables he's alligned with this month, why would BCG trust him? In turn why would Callis or Takeshita trust Bullet club? Maybe that's part of the story but can't imagine to what end and I don't think there's enough time to set it up. Also would make you wonder wtf The Callis family are playing at, Dark Order are better recruiters. Or why Jay White wouldn't want another Bullet Club member instead. The match might still be ppv calibur in-ring but feels thrown together. Now if Jericho officially joins Callis or it's Ospreay it's fine. Hangman/Omega Vs Takeshita and either of them makes far more sense with what's been established. Golden Elite Vs HoB for trios title also cool because you don't need much build for established teams in title match.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 12, 2023 13:56:56 GMT -5
I would love to send the last 20 pages of this thread back in time to when the show was first announced. We're at 80,000 tickets sold (or near enough) the main event is the biggest main event AEW can do with the current storylines, we're getting the two best tag teams facing off for the belts, Sting is wrestling, and the discussion is going around in circles over whether the show is big enough or not. Bruno Sammartino comes back from the grave at his peak to wrestle again at All In "Not sure if he is gonna put the effort"
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 12, 2023 15:09:17 GMT -5
Saying that something like Omega/Hangman/Ibushi vs. (based on rumors) Bullet Club and Takeshita (or Ospreay ad Jericho, whomever) won't be wrestled like a PPV caliber match kind of blows my mind. This company is basically built on insane PWG style six man matches and many of the participants involved in that are way into over the top storytelling in basically all their matches, I really, really don't think they'd run a match like that in Wembley and not treat it like a big deal with story/character ramifications. The rumoured match makes no sense to the point I can't believe it's true. Takeshita has turned his back on 2 out of 3 stables he's alligned with this month, why would BCG trust him? In turn why would Callis or Takeshita trust Bullet club? Maybe that's part of the story but can't imagine to what end and I don't think there's enough time to set it up. Also would make you wonder wtf The Callis family are playing at, Dark Order are better recruiters. Or why Jay White wouldn't want another Bullet Club member instead. The match might still be ppv calibur in-ring but feels thrown together. Now if Jericho officially joins Callis or it's Ospreay it's fine. Hangman/Omega Vs Takeshita and either of them makes far more sense with what's been established. Golden Elite Vs HoB for trios title also cool because you don't need much build for established teams in title match. Jay White is easy enough to write for: the man usurped Omega's leadership spot in Bullet Club in the first place, and as always he wouldn't enter into an agreement with anyone else without having his own ends in mind. Basically, even if there's only a couple week's notice for the match, I'm pretty confident that whichever combination they go with will have story purposes in mind.
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Post by johncasey on Aug 12, 2023 15:34:41 GMT -5
Tonight's Collision should give us the Punk match, guessing it will be Samoa Joe but it's building towards Starks in a Strap Match.
May also set up what's happening with H.O.B but it could be Andrade VS Black in a singles.
Been no chatter regarding Statlander and The TBS Championship. Guessing there won't be a match but something could get set up.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 12, 2023 15:56:55 GMT -5
I really don't know how that's a statement you can really confidently make? Largely because "AEW's biggest ever show" is a fundamentally meaningless statement that people can just graft their own expectation onto. Is it the biggest show because of scope? Yeah. But they sold all those tickets with no matches set and with no promise it was supposed to be the ultimate most amazing AEW PPV ever and all the big matches and blow-offs. Hell, it was even opened up with the knowledge All Out was happening a week later. But also not to truck someone out as an example but at least one person in the Dynamite live thread was really really f***ing hopeful and excited by the prospect of seeing Sting at Wembley and now they get the chance to do that. There are people who absolutely want to see their favorites in person because they live on another continent from where they work and live, and get very few opportunities across the whole of a lifetime to witness them in person. I can't speak to why everyone else booked tickets, but let's be real here, it's Wembley f'n Stadium. You don't book a show there unless you're... uh...well, all in.We're not talking "AEW's doing a show in the UK", we're talking "AEW's booked the largest, best known, biggest of the big time, most densely historic sporting arena in the country, second biggest in entire continent, one of the top 20 in the world". A stadium with a capacity that makes the majority of WWE's historic shows look like the Hammerstein Ballroom. The same site that hosted SummerSlam '92. In a country known for crowd heat that makes the sun look like an ice cube. People were thinking AEW had made a mistake when they announced the venue or that they'd misheard where the event was going to be, that it surely must be the 12k seat Wembley Arena, it was that much of a shock.
I'm not saying it's fair to make blanket statements about why tens of thousands of people bought tickets, obviously nobody can do that, but you have to think about the context. It had to be a gigantic show. It couldn't not be. It'd be any promotion's biggest show (WWE excepted, because that'd be mathematically impossible). Unless it was going to fail hard and get TNA'd with a few thousand people in the front row and 75k seats empty and the lights turned off, which despite the early scepticism by some online naysayers wasn't likely to happen, not when the UK (and mainland Europe, just over the river) is starved for big time wrestling events and AEW's the #2 promotion. Sure, it could totally be, or have been, an exhibition show. But it'd be ludicrous to squander an opportunity like this on a bunch of workrate matches with indie cameos. It's an AEW show, it's not a ROH show, not an NJPW show. You'd have to be either insane or a terrible booker to mess that up. It has to matter. I'm going on a bit, but I can't oversell just how much of a big deal this show is, just on the venue choice alone. They didn't have to say anything else, they didn't have to make any promises, they didn't have to announce a card, just the two words "Wembley Stadium" are a huge mic drop for anybody not-WWE.
But ths isn't an exhibition show. Ths isn't "a bunch of workrate matches with indie cameos". The only ROH guys on it so far are a pre-show match meant to feed into the Cole/MJF storyline, and there's literally no New Japan talents. Right now, booked for this show, is the biggest storyline going for the world title, a Sting match building off another hot storyline, several of the top women in the company (and Saraya) fighting for the title, and FTR vs. Bucks 3. All of those are big. Nothing that's been announced for the main card right now is even remotely close to being the kind of stuff you're talking about, and the matches we do have rumoured, aside from being rumoured, have not actually been booked yet with any inciting incident that lets us know the final scale or consequences of what's happening in them. And even the rumoured multi-man matches right now all featuring big talents known to deliver big shit in these chaotic matches are going to deliver a specific portion of AEW action that is generally a f***ing blast and going to make the live crowd pop like mad. This is what I mean when I say this whole sentiment is unbelievably vague. They're not squandering this opportunity.
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Post by AndyUK on Aug 12, 2023 17:26:08 GMT -5
As someone that's going, I'm really looking forward to what they've announced so far. It would've been nice to see Punk/Omega and Bryan Danielson but they're not happening for reasons so it's fine. It is all being put together at the last minute but that's always how AEW book as people have said.
However, while it's not exactly going to ruin the show for me, I do feel like it would be a waste to not have Kenny Omega in a big singles match on this, unless they're planning on making up for it by having a few other big matches on here instead. With the insane roster they have, they should not be in the position of having to save things for All Out.
Looking forward to seeing how they fill out the rest of the card.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 12, 2023 18:47:17 GMT -5
People can think that it’ll be a great show and also still think that more could’ve or should’ve been done, both with the build and with the matches that we’ll be getting . Especially when many see this as an opportunity to create something akin to a Wrestlemania and change the whole landscape of the business forever.
Also, we always discuss rumored matches, that’s what the forum is for. Not sure why we can’t discuss what Meltzer has been reporting and be somewhat disappointed in the multi-man’s that are rumored. And if they turn out to not be true, then great!
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Post by KME on Aug 12, 2023 19:31:53 GMT -5
The Wrestlemania thing is still a weird comparison for me when you look at the crux of people's issues with the rumoured matches. I get why people will draw a comparison in terms of scale of the event but there's no evidence this will even become an annual thing for AEW for a start, and apart from the most recent one that was workrate heavy Mania has largely been about moments, not matches, and has incredibly often been rushed and thrown together, with several multi person matches, including one that took place in their best ever year (imo, 2000, without going into how that had no effect on the following year). The wrestling world was also a very different place when Mania came along, you can't just create your own version now and even if you could the grandeur and everything else would have to come with time, because you'll never be the first of your kind as Mania was, and again none of that has really anything to do with matches themselves.
If we're taking about creating something like Wrestlemania in terms of what that is as an event, that it's must watch or a cultural event or whatever...that's just not going to be possible by doing Kenny Omega vs Takeshita or Orange Cassidy vs Mox, or any singles match, Wrestlemania is something almost impossible to replicate because so little of what makes it what it is is because of what happens in ring, it grew and grew and became a much bigger spectacle in the years that the product and booking was the drizzling shits, which tells you all you need to know about whether AEW booking more matches that we want to see would help elevate it to that level.
They've got an enormous crowd on hand and even those who think they're not booking it the way they'd like acknowledge it will probably be a great show for that crowd regardless. There'll be loads of great matches, moments and fan service as there is at every AEW PPV (and usually more than at most Mania's) and a main event that should have people absolutely hooked, there's also an element in amongst all this of not wanting to overshadow that. You burn the crowd out with banger singles after banger singles and have a crowd dead on their feet for your biggest thing going in the main event and you're in a world of trouble, they're going to have to be creative with the card to factor in stuff like that. .
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 12, 2023 19:49:42 GMT -5
The Wrestlemania thing is still a weird comparison for me when you look at the crux of people's issues with the rumoured matches. I get why people will draw a comparison in terms of scale of the event but there's no evidence this will even become an annual thing for AEW for a start, and apart from the most recent one that was workrate heavy Mania has largely been about moments, not matches, and has incredibly often been rushed and thrown together, with several multi person matches, including one that took place in their best ever year (imo, 2000, without going into how that had no effect on the following year). The wrestling world was also a very different place when Mania came along, you can't just create your own version now and even if you could the grandeur and everything else would have to come with time, because you'll never be the first of your kind as Mania was, and again none of that has really anything to do with matches themselves. If we're taking about creating something like Wrestlemania in terms of what that is as an event, that it's must watch or a cultural event or whatever...that's just not going to be possible by doing Kenny Omega vs Takeshita or Orange Cassidy vs Mox, or any singles match, Wrestlemania is something almost impossible to replicate because so little of what makes it what it is is because of what happens in ring, it grew and grew and became a much bigger spectacle in the years that the product and booking was the drizzling shits, which tells you all you need to know about whether AEW booking more matches that we want to see would help elevate it to that level. They've got an enormous crowd on hand and even those who think they're not booking it the way they'd like acknowledge it will probably be a great show for that crowd regardless. There'll be loads of great matches, moments and fan service as there is at every AEW PPV (and usually more than at most Mania's) and a main event that should have people absolutely hooked, there's also an element in amongst all this of not wanting to overshadow that. You burn the crowd out with banger singles after banger singles and have a crowd dead on their feet for your biggest thing going in the main event and you're in a world of trouble, they're going to have to be creative with the card to factor in stuff like that. . Not literally a Wrestlemania ripoff, but a destination annual flagship event for your company. They’re doing their best attendance by more than triple I think. That’s why people expected to be the show of all shows as far as blowing off feuds and such. Putting your best singles wrestler in Kenny in a 6-man tag doesn’t make it feel like that landmark event. Cena in his prime wouldnt be shoved into a meaningless 6-man tag for Mania. And even when he was out of his prime, people still were upset he was being “wasted” in that mixed tag with Nikki and Miz/Maryse. Just makes it not feel as important as I think it could be, imo.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 12, 2023 21:09:04 GMT -5
People calling Aussie Open "ROH Guys" or saying they don't deserve to be here is insane to me. They are one of the best tag teams out there right now and have proven it for ages
They're absolutely worthy of a spot here and it plays perfectly into storylines. Match will be stellar and it'll be FOR FREE, available on Youtube for everyone to always see. This is absolutely smart to do imo.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Aug 12, 2023 21:17:24 GMT -5
People calling Aussie Open "ROH Guys" or saying they don't deserve to be here is insane to me. They are one of the best tag teams out there right now and have proven it for ages They're absolutely worthy of a spot here and it plays perfectly into storylines. Match will be stellar and it'll be FOR FREE, available on Youtube for everyone to always see. This is absolutely smart to do imo. I'm not sure I'd even call them ROH guys. They specifically signed with AEW and just so happen to be the ROH champions like Claudio and Joe are or like Yuta was. They are AEW guys and are a great addition to the card
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 12, 2023 22:00:34 GMT -5
People calling Aussie Open "ROH Guys" or saying they don't deserve to be here is insane to me. They are one of the best tag teams out there right now and have proven it for ages They're absolutely worthy of a spot here and it plays perfectly into storylines. Match will be stellar and it'll be FOR FREE, available on Youtube for everyone to always see. This is absolutely smart to do imo. I'm not sure I'd even call them ROH guys. They specifically signed with AEW and just so happen to be the ROH champions like Claudio and Joe are or like Yuta was. They are AEW guys and are a great addition to the card Yeah, they have AEW contracts now so them being on an AEW show also just makes all the sense in the world The ROH stigma is weird with some people. The belts are championships, I know ROH either isn't what some people wanted or could be viewed as AEW's developmental now but the belts are still the ROH belts and have legacy and importance with so much of the AEW roster that it matters when they're brought up imo
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 12, 2023 23:12:08 GMT -5
I don't get the hand-wringing over possible ROH or NJPW guys showing up anyway. Like, yeah, it's an AEW show and it does look to be one first. But AEW's also worn its origins from ROH and NJPW on its sleeve from its inception. A lot of guys wrestle in all of them, including a few of the biggest stars like Mox. It's not its own separate ecosystem like WWE. There's been intermingling for years now.
Plus I can't exactly imagine much of the Wembley audience looking at each other and going "who the f*** is this guy?" if say, Kota Ibushi or Will Ospreay show up. At the very least, wait for matches to get confirmed instead of getting angry over literally nothing.
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Post by jm on Aug 12, 2023 23:29:07 GMT -5
I don't get the hand-wringing over possible ROH or NJPW guys showing up anyway. Like, yeah, it's an AEW show and it does look to be one first. But AEW's also worn its origins from ROH and NJPW on its sleeve from its inception. A lot of guys wrestle in all of them, including a few of the biggest stars like Mox. It's not its own separate ecosystem like WWE. There's been intermingling for years now. Plus I can't exactly imagine much of the Wembley audience looking at each other and going "who the f*** is this guy?" if say, Kota Ibushi or Will Ospreay show up. At the very least, wait for matches to get confirmed instead of getting angry over literally nothing.This sentence should be displayed at the top of every page of this thread from now until All In.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 13, 2023 0:03:44 GMT -5
I don't get the hand-wringing over possible ROH or NJPW guys showing up anyway. Like, yeah, it's an AEW show and it does look to be one first. But AEW's also worn its origins from ROH and NJPW on its sleeve from its inception. A lot of guys wrestle in all of them, including a few of the biggest stars like Mox. It's not its own separate ecosystem like WWE. There's been intermingling for years now. Plus I can't exactly imagine much of the Wembley audience looking at each other and going "who the f*** is this guy?" if say, Kota Ibushi or Will Ospreay show up. At the very least, wait for matches to get confirmed instead of getting angry over literally nothing.This sentence should be displayed at the top of every page of this thread from now until All In. Maybe not just this thread but this board lmfao
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 13, 2023 0:05:19 GMT -5
I don't get the hand-wringing over possible ROH or NJPW guys showing up anyway. Like, yeah, it's an AEW show and it does look to be one first. But AEW's also worn its origins from ROH and NJPW on its sleeve from its inception. A lot of guys wrestle in all of them, including a few of the biggest stars like Mox. It's not its own separate ecosystem like WWE. There's been intermingling for years now. Plus I can't exactly imagine much of the Wembley audience looking at each other and going "who the f*** is this guy?" if say, Kota Ibushi or Will Ospreay show up. At the very least, wait for matches to get confirmed instead of getting angry over literally nothing.This sentence should be displayed at the top of every page of this thread from now until All In. Should be displayed at the top of every page in every wrestling thread in this forum.
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