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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 13, 2023 6:10:08 GMT -5
I don't get the hand-wringing over possible ROH or NJPW guys showing up anyway. Like, yeah, it's an AEW show and it does look to be one first. But AEW's also worn its origins from ROH and NJPW on its sleeve from its inception. A lot of guys wrestle in all of them, including a few of the biggest stars like Mox. It's not its own separate ecosystem like WWE. There's been intermingling for years now. Plus I can't exactly imagine much of the Wembley audience looking at each other and going "who the f*** is this guy?" if say, Kota Ibushi or Will Ospreay show up. At the very least, wait for matches to get confirmed instead of getting angry over literally nothing. I agree about Ospreay, Ibushi, big stars like that. But your last sentence- since when do we not discuss rumored matches and our opinions of them? That’s part and parcel of discussing wrestling, is giving thoughts on rumors posted by credible sites.
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 13, 2023 6:27:07 GMT -5
To clarify, I'm not suggesting that anybody in particular is or isn't a ROH or NJPW guy, nor am I denigrating those who are, or those who enjoy those promotions, or any wrestler who is proud to call those promotions core to their careers. I'm not suggesting that they're bad in any way, nor do I have any complaints if any of those wrestlers do show up. What I'm saying is that exhibition and cross-promotion events are fine but I don't think this should be one and that this event should focus strongly on ongoing storylines. I have no problem with events like Forbidden Door, or non-AEW talents, or cameos, but I do think that it's important that this thing means something in the day to day of AEW specifically. We didn't, until quite recently, know anything about who or what would be on this show, we had no proof that it would or wouldn't be a throwaway spectacle of ultimately meaningless bombast with the AEW logo stuck on it. I don't even care if Grado or RVD show up, I won't be annoyed, I think they'd be fun spots, but if they do then they need to be appropriately timeslotted so as to not take away from the heart of the show. We don't need a 30 minute RVD match or a 20 minute Grado promo in this particular event. That's not likely to happen anyway, but there was talk of packing the thing out with Britwres cameos and stuff a while back, which would bother me, because this isn't an NXT UK ripoff, it is (or should be, and I expect it to be) a mainline AEW show. I don't think it's unreasonable to express that, in context, given the slow pace of actual confirmed matches and an overwhelming waterfall of rumours and speculation. But ths isn't an exhibition show. Ths isn't "a bunch of workrate matches with indie cameos". The only ROH guys on it so far are a pre-show match meant to feed into the Cole/MJF storyline, and there's literally no New Japan talents. Right now, booked for this show, is the biggest storyline going for the world title, a Sting match building off another hot storyline, several of the top women in the company (and Saraya) fighting for the title, and FTR vs. Bucks 3. All of those are big. Nothing that's been announced for the main card right now is even remotely close to being the kind of stuff you're talking about, and the matches we do have rumoured, aside from being rumoured, have not actually been booked yet with any inciting incident that lets us know the final scale or consequences of what's happening in them. And even the rumoured multi-man matches right now all featuring big talents known to deliver big shit in these chaotic matches are going to deliver a specific portion of AEW action that is generally a f***ing blast and going to make the live crowd pop like mad. This is what I mean when I say this whole sentiment is unbelievably vague. They're not squandering this opportunity. But the point that some of us are making is that we just wanted more confidence that what we now expect the show to be is what the show was going to be. It's taken quite a while to get to a point where we're even seeing actual committed to paper confirmed matches and even many of the ones we think are going to happen aren't yet actually confirmed. It's not exactly a new and alien concept that a big wrestling show is announced and suddenly the community is fantasy booking the thing to the moon and it's also not a new and alien concept that a promotion announces a huge show that turns out to be mind-blowingly disappointing to where the matches are meaningless and the hype was all for nothing. So all I'm saying is that, for AEW's biggest moment in the entire universe of wrestling, I don't want to see people disappointed either by AEW leaving a vacuum of information such that people speculate all kinds of wild never-gonna-happen dream matches or AEW squandering their chance to stamp their brand deep into the leather strap that is the history of such a storied business as this. I don't want people to con themselves into expecting miracles and I don't want AEW to get the vibe wrong, because either way people are going to be underwhelmed, and nobody wants that. It's not all AEW's fault, it happens with all promotions, wrestling fans' imaginations run wild (and I get it, people love the sport, they want to talk about it, think about it, be the fantasy booker), so I think when such an important opportunity as this comes along you need to manage expectations, and I don't think leaving months of unexplained hype just hanging in the air is the way to do that. I'm going to enjoy it anyway, most (hopefully functionally equivalent to all) of us are, maybe you can argue I'm leaning too far towards pessimism to counteract the speculation and hype, but I'm not being a miserable git for no reason at all or accusing AEW of planning to sandbag the show, I'm just saying that on this particular occasion, due to the gravity of it, we could've maybe used a little more of a clue in the midst of all the unsubstantiated, unconfirmed, even unrealistic "what ifs" so that we could be comfortable knowing that this show is going to be of the type and calibre that it could and should be.
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Post by johncasey on Aug 13, 2023 6:34:43 GMT -5
Would have thought the Punk match would have been official now, got to sell those remaining tickets.
Looks like Samoa Joe will be involved.
They've given themselves an out with Stark's
But is Hangman going to be involved after this after show promo.
Got to think that this Wednesday's Dynamite, the main card will have been announced.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 13, 2023 6:34:49 GMT -5
I don't get the hand-wringing over possible ROH or NJPW guys showing up anyway. Like, yeah, it's an AEW show and it does look to be one first. But AEW's also worn its origins from ROH and NJPW on its sleeve from its inception. A lot of guys wrestle in all of them, including a few of the biggest stars like Mox. It's not its own separate ecosystem like WWE. There's been intermingling for years now. Plus I can't exactly imagine much of the Wembley audience looking at each other and going "who the f*** is this guy?" if say, Kota Ibushi or Will Ospreay show up. At the very least, wait for matches to get confirmed instead of getting angry over literally nothing. I agree about Ospreay, Ibushi, big stars like that. But your last sentence- since when do we not discuss rumored matches and our opinions of them? That’s part and parcel of discussing wrestling, is giving thoughts on rumors posted by credible sites. I still think people getting angry or hand wringing over how OTHER people will react, feel, or potentially think about another wrestler is the most exhausting rhetoric we deal with as a whole when it comes to discussions. People are free to discuss matches with no restrictions of course, but if I had to pinpoint a specific thing that bugs me like I think it does others to make these statements, it is "Well no one is gonna care about or know who THAT person is" like you don't know anyone's actual wrestling experience or knowledge let alone 80 thousand of them...
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 13, 2023 7:07:36 GMT -5
I agree about Ospreay, Ibushi, big stars like that. But your last sentence- since when do we not discuss rumored matches and our opinions of them? That’s part and parcel of discussing wrestling, is giving thoughts on rumors posted by credible sites. I still think people getting angry or hand wringing over how OTHER people will react, feel, or potentially think about another wrestler is the most exhausting rhetoric we deal with as a whole when it comes to discussions. People are free to discuss matches with no restrictions of course, but if I had to pinpoint a specific thing that bugs me like I think it does others to make these statements, it is "Well no one is gonna care about or know who THAT person is" like you don't know anyone's actual wrestling experience or knowledge let alone 80 thousand of them... Who has been posting about that in this thread recently? The last several pages are discussing some who have disappointment In the rumored card as it relates to a lot of singles stars being put in tag matches, not about people not knowing who someone is.
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Post by clifford on Aug 13, 2023 7:12:31 GMT -5
Jay emphasising 'gold' and 'elite' a lot in his promo on Collision. Could be a smokescreen, could be a sign of setting up a Golden Elite tag match at Wembley.
It wouldn't be the destination I'd want for Kenny (personally I feel that a one on one with Takeshita is the way to go- first time matchup, built up for months, potential to be a 5 star classic) but hey, if Kenny wants to share his biggest stage with Kota or Hangman, or both, he's earned that right.
Just like I think that people are more than within their right to voice their opinion on how AEW book/set up what they themselves are calling 'The Biggest Event in Wrestling History' and having people en masse just break out the whole 'wait and see' argument (an argument that a lot of hardcore AEW fans have pilloried WWE and other wrestling fans for breaking out so much over the years) doesn't really land with me.
I'm attending this show and since I was a kid I dreamt of attending a Wrestlemania-like event. As I got older I realised just how hard this would ever be for me.
But here I am, two weeks out from going. No matter the build or card, this is going to be one of the best days of my life. I know that even now. As soon as I enter the stadium all my annoyances or gripes will melt away in an instant. BUT can I still be a bit miffed at directions AEW might take before that childlike wonder grabs a hold of this bitter, cynical, adult heart? Of course!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 13, 2023 7:21:32 GMT -5
I think there’s a difference between speculation and the doom-mongering some of the people here and on social media have done.
Like, someone non-ironically said this would be the last UK show because of the speculated card. How is that anything to take actually seriously in any way?
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Post by clifford on Aug 13, 2023 7:23:03 GMT -5
I think there’s a difference between speculation and the doom-mongering some of the people here and on social media have done. Like, someone non-ironically said this would be the last UK show because of the speculated card. How is that anything to take actually seriously in any way? Well no, you can't take that seriously one bit lol Some of the extreme takes I've seen are just people screaming for attention, I don't pay them any mind.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Aug 13, 2023 7:25:28 GMT -5
I think there’s a difference between speculation and the doom-mongering some of the people here and on social media have done. Like, someone non-ironically said this would be the last UK show because of the speculated card. How is that anything to take actually seriously in any way? Who said that?
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 13, 2023 8:06:58 GMT -5
I think there’s a difference between speculation and the doom-mongering some of the people here and on social media have done. Like, someone non-ironically said this would be the last UK show because of the speculated card. How is that anything to take actually seriously in any way? Where’s the “doom-mongering” here? I’ve seen reasoned, measured takes here.
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Post by ssdrivin on Aug 13, 2023 8:11:38 GMT -5
I think there’s a difference between speculation and the doom-mongering some of the people here and on social media have done. Like, someone non-ironically said this would be the last UK show because of the speculated card. How is that anything to take actually seriously in any way? Well, yeah, that would be an extreme take, but I don't think I or others here who have said similar things to me have said anything nearly that absolute.
There's a difference between "welp, that's it, pack it up and go home, AEW's ruined" and "hey, guys, maybe we should start building to the biggest show ever a teensy bit before we normally would, to show why it's the biggest show ever?"
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 13, 2023 8:15:59 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure I understand why people are so upset by what the card looks like and is rumored to be.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Aug 13, 2023 8:51:16 GMT -5
Are people really being negative about Aussie Open being on the card? They’re one of the best tag teams in the world, and they’ve always been massively over here in the UK. I think TK would be stupid not to have them on the card somewhere.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 13, 2023 9:47:02 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure I understand why people are so upset by what the card looks like and is rumored to be. No Kenny singles match, basically.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Aug 13, 2023 9:53:06 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure I understand why people are so upset by what the card looks like and is rumored to be. No Kenny singles match, basically. Which we don't even know for sure if he doesn't have a singles match at All In yet.
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Post by lucaslawless on Aug 13, 2023 10:03:28 GMT -5
I honestly cant see upset or anger from the majority of folk in this thread. All I see is possibilities. Sure it might be a downer if Kenny isnt in a top singles match for once but there will definitely plenty of other action to enjoy. There is also nothing stating he wont be in a singles match yet too. Hell, I still say he faces Jericho. Part of the fun imo is speculating and conversing on ALL possiblities and mostly everyone has been constructive doing so.. minus one or two trying to cause a rift with attendence or mentioning WWE. I'll say it again, we all will speculate, good or bad because without knowing all we have to go on is the unknown. That isnt a bad thing, but at the same time it isnt a good thing. We just have to hope that whatever the card is it goes all to plan. Tony Khan definitely wont please every fan, there isnt enough hours in the night to do that but Im almost sure that over 80,000 fans that attend are going to make Wembley Stadium shake. I was at Money In The Bank and that was loud with only 20k fans.
As for Twitter - its an abomination and an embarrassement when it comes to talking anything wrestling without some glorified "war" behind keyboards. Its awful.
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Post by discoelysium on Aug 13, 2023 12:17:56 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure I understand why people are so upset by what the card looks like and is rumored to be. No Kenny singles match, basically. I don't think that's fair. I think it's more frustration at the lack of care and attention to the build of their biggest show ever.
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Post by discoelysium on Aug 13, 2023 12:18:26 GMT -5
Are people really being negative about Aussie Open being on the card? They’re one of the best tag teams in the world, and they’ve always been massively over here in the UK. I think TK would be stupid not to have them on the card somewhere. And not seen that. Thrilled Aussie Open are on the card they're amazing.
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Post by markymark on Aug 13, 2023 13:07:10 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure I understand why people are so upset by what the card looks like and is rumored to be. No Kenny singles match, basically.
When it was rumored Kenny was going to face Takeshita there were already some fans complaining it wasnt "worth" for All In the "biggest PPV ever"
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Post by glorious83 on Aug 13, 2023 13:07:31 GMT -5
Is there any reason uncle Tony can’t just make this the All Out show as oppose to running two PPVs on back to back Sundays and make people pay twice? Did the concept of bundling ever come up? Makes no sense to run the London show and have absolutely no build up towards All Out.
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