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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 14, 2023 12:54:45 GMT -5
The ladder match opener is good (and I watched in a bar, only guy in there marking for Zack Ryder winning). That’s the only thing people need to watch. The triple threat women's title match is excellent But it's the WWE classic: Great match with the absolute wrong winner.
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Post by rajaah on Aug 14, 2023 12:55:49 GMT -5
Like, one of the lines of that post was "there's a good chance they won't pull a crowd like that again" which...what does that even mean? How can they prove that? It's really hard to take some of the anxiousness seriously when that is the first line people have in some of their posts, to be quite blunt. I ignore the rest of the post when I see that, I'm sorry. Why is that surprising? Very few wrestling shows in history have drawn such a big crowd. The conditions for it are unique, years of pent up demand, people travelling from across Europe and relatives and lapsed/WWE fans going for the experience of a big stadium show. There's almost certain to be diminishing returns if they do it again anytime soon, or if WWE actually do wm in the uk. That doesn't mean they can't, Australia in particular would probably have a similar response. Even if they did Wembley again next year it'll probably be a huge success but it's still likely this is the peak for the foreseeable future. Yeah, all of that. Australia might get them a similar response in, say, Melbourne, so it's possible. "What does 'there's a good chance they won't pull a crowd like that again' even mean?" is such a weird question. It means what it says. How can I "prove" that? By the fact that they're about to pull the largest wrestling crowd in history depending on who you ask. That sort of thing doesn't just happen over and over again, not even for the WWF at their height. It took them like 24 years to break their own record with Summerslam 92. Funny thing is I don't even mean that in a disparaging way, setting the world record and then not passing it again isn't exactly any kind of negative thing. It just means this is their pinnacle and needs to act like a pinnacle if they're going to do this, on this level, again.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 14, 2023 13:12:58 GMT -5
If you can't watch WM32, try watching Summerslam 92 instead. And don't skip the undercard just to get to the main, lol
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Post by rajaah on Aug 14, 2023 13:36:15 GMT -5
If you can't watch WM32, try watching Summerslam 92 instead. And don't skip the undercard just to get to the main, lol As in, Summerslam 92 is better than WM32? Or as in Summerslam 92 is also pretty bad if you watch the whole thing? It's been a loooong while but I vaguely remember Summerslam 92 having a pretty anemic undercard. I could be totally wrong though. Bret/Bulldog is what people remember from it and maybe all they remember. I think Macho Man defended the world title in the co-main.
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Post by KME on Aug 14, 2023 13:44:50 GMT -5
Still just not getting the concern, you'd think they'd booked MJF vs Wardlow, FTR vs Jarrett and Lethal and Saraya in an hour long iron woman match the way people are talking about them not taking their opportunity with a huge crowd. The cards chock full of potential great matches and rumoured matches already and has the biggest main event they could do with the biggest emotional stakes they could have possibly hoped for not to mention the biggest pre show match I can ever remember.
It just comes across a bit hysterical to act as if any future success running a huge arena could be jeopardised by the fact they're possibly not doing a Kenny Omega singles match or that you haven't personally liked the build. If the show is great that's what people will remember, people have been keen to make Wrestlemania comparisons, nobody remembers or cares that Mania x7 had a bang average build, they just remember they delivered on the big stage.
I don't think anyone has an issue with someone saying they wish they'd done a certain match or something differently, totally disagree with there being some sort of cult around that kind of thing, I just think most people, like me, wish people would look a bit more on the positive side leading into what's meant to be an incredibly exciting event in wrestling history rather than predicting they'll blow their chance because they'd have booked some bits differently.
Think a company that have a record for booking PPV's as consistently well as they have and are well know for trying to give the fans what they want deserve the benefit of the doubt too.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 14, 2023 13:53:19 GMT -5
If you can't watch WM32, try watching Summerslam 92 instead. And don't skip the undercard just to get to the main, lol As in, Summerslam 92 is better than WM32? Or as in Summerslam 92 is also pretty bad if you watch the whole thing? It's been a loooong while but I vaguely remember Summerslam 92 having a pretty anemic undercard. I could be totally wrong though. Bret/Bulldog is what people remember from it and maybe all they remember. I think Macho Man defended the world title in the co-main. It's pretty bad. It has Nailz vs Virgil for one.
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Post by rajaah on Aug 14, 2023 14:08:29 GMT -5
Think a company that have a record for booking PPV's as consistently well as they have and are well know for trying to give the fans what they want deserve the benefit of the doubt too. Having seen nearly all of AEW's PPVs, I can't think of any wrestling company ever that maintained such a consistent high level of quality for their PPVs over such a long span of time. In four years I think they've had like 2 or 3 PPVs that were a 7/10 and the rest are easily 8+ shows with a lot of 9's in there and a couple 10's. Not once have they ever put on a show that "struck out", though All Out 2020 came the closest. The only other companies I can think of that maintained a high quality level in their PPVs with no lull points are ECW 97/98 and WWF 98/00/02. However neither of those managed to maintain for four back-to-back years without a few duds. I think this is something that doesn't get enough praise, that AEW's PPV track record is probably the best in American wrestling history. I never think twice about getting a PPV or going to see one because they all deliver.
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Post by raymondcky18 on Aug 14, 2023 14:12:26 GMT -5
I now have a spare ticket if anyone wants to buy it for cost price!
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Post by rajaah on Aug 14, 2023 14:51:04 GMT -5
I now have a spare ticket if anyone wants to buy it for cost price! I'd love to go to this show, but airlines have gotten so obnoxiously expensive in the last couple of years that I can barely even go anywhere internationally anymore. Looked it up a few months in advance and even with that much advance, it was like $1500 round trip to go to London to see a $50 show.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Aug 14, 2023 14:53:47 GMT -5
Just got an update from Ticketmaster, doors open at 3:30pm and the show starts at 5pm (the event page originally said 6pm). I like the part in the email that goes I dunno it just tickled me that they felt the need to apologise in advance lol
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Post by ace on Aug 14, 2023 14:56:27 GMT -5
Just got an update from Ticketmaster, doors open at 3:30pm and the show starts at 5pm (the event page originally said 6pm). I like the part in the email that goes I dunno it just tickled me that they felt the need to apologise in advance lol On one of the Sasha Banks NJPW shows they issued an apology before the show, over the speaker for people already in attendance, for changing the order of the first two matches. Not what the matches are. Not that someone No showed or was injured. Which match was going before the other one. To people already seated. I think about it all the time.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Aug 14, 2023 15:03:39 GMT -5
Think a company that have a record for booking PPV's as consistently well as they have and are well know for trying to give the fans what they want deserve the benefit of the doubt too. Having seen nearly all of AEW's PPVs, I can't think of any wrestling company ever that maintained such a consistent high level of quality for their PPVs over such a long span of time. In four years I think they've had like 2 or 3 PPVs that were a 7/10 and the rest are easily 8+ shows with a lot of 9's in there and a couple 10's. Not once have they ever put on a show that "struck out", though All Out 2020 came the closest. The only other companies I can think of that maintained a high quality level in their PPVs with no lull points are ECW 97/98 and WWF 98/00/02. However neither of those managed to maintain for four back-to-back years without a few duds. I think this is something that doesn't get enough praise, that AEW's PPV track record is probably the best in American wrestling history. I never think twice about getting a PPV or going to see one because they all deliver. While I think that's true, you also have to remember that standards in wrestling have risen dramatically in the last 10-15 years. Very rarely does WWE put on a bad PLE either. With the level of wrestling being where it's at, you'd really have to try hard to book a truly bad one.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 14, 2023 16:37:39 GMT -5
If you can't watch WM32, try watching Summerslam 92 instead. And don't skip the undercard just to get to the main, lol As in, Summerslam 92 is better than WM32? Or as in Summerslam 92 is also pretty bad if you watch the whole thing? It's been a loooong while but I vaguely remember Summerslam 92 having a pretty anemic undercard. I could be totally wrong though. Bret/Bulldog is what people remember from it and maybe all they remember. I think Macho Man defended the world title in the co-main. Warrior and Macho had a pretty solid match (which personally I think the build to Cole Vs. MJF is kind of a reference to.) Martel and Michaels had a pretty short but good match. The undercard was decent but unspectacular, but at that point that was just WWE's style with PPVs. You sell the card around like 2 or 3 matches and the rest of it's just filler. In this case it was sold off of Savage Vs. Warrior and Bulldog Vs. Hart. Big 4 PPVs didn't really stop being fancy house shows until the introduction of In Your House which kind of took over the fancy house show role.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 14, 2023 17:27:43 GMT -5
Nothing has even happened yet, so talking about "They may never draw a crowd like this again due to dropping the ball like this" is absurd, this thread's become the epitome of exhausting to look at with all the hand wringing and panic over WHAT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET. Like what the f*** are we even talking about anymore? It's a disappointment to you? I guess? You're speaking for 80,000 people who, for all you know, are quite happy with what the card looks like so far, and is very excited for the experience. You're literally doomposting, this is the definition of what that is, posting a bunch of crazy what if's and saying they've already failed before a card is already fully assembled and a show has even happened. We've reached like the peak here, it makes any discussion that's been had in this thread lately almost impossible. AEW finally reaches the pinnacle of the sport with this event when it comes to attendance alone, one of the biggest events in the history of pro wrestling, and we STILL have people just slamming "NO FUN ALLOWED" signs on the lawn. Feel free to think that, by the way, you're free to not be impressed by the card or whatever. I'm just at the point where I think it's absolutely insufferable as someone who has watched the thread arguments evolve from "They haven't announced the card yet, it's so over" to "They've announced the card, I think it's lackluster, it's so over", sorry for this turning into a bit of a rant but I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, I'm beginning to think there are some people who simply can't let a goal post sit where it is when it comes to this company as a whole, there always has to be something wrong or something that's gonna hurt the company, instead of just letting something, anything, actually play out. I understand where you're coming from because I'm also defensive of the company (it is unfortunately necessary with all of the vapid criticism they get), but I'm not speaking for 80,000 people. Literally started it with "I'm in the camp of..." which means I'm agreeing with people who feel like this is a bit of a wasted opportunity, not speaking for everyone. Wrestlemania has conditioned fans to expect "Wrestlemania-type" builds for things like this, and we don't have that here. Feels like a ball-drop even though nothing has happened yet because the hype factor just hasn't been what we expected this whole time. I was more hyped the day tickets went on sale than I am two weeks out. I think the biggest issue is that there's this largely-unsaid sense that the idea the fans have for the show isn't the same idea Tony Khan has. The sense that to him it's just another Forbidden Door type special event, to us it's "their Wrestlemania 3" and a worldwide coming out party and so forth. Thanks for the response. I apologize if I got too heated with my own, you were very concise with your feelings here so I respect that a lot I don't agree there's been a dropped ball, until the show happens I'll make my decision then on the quality they bring to the table and for those fans. That's when I think we'll know what Tony Khan's really expecting from this show. I imagine he went in with the thought he could get 80K, so I hope he puts on a show befitting that audience.
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Post by raymondo316 on Aug 14, 2023 17:49:08 GMT -5
The sad thing is, if this hadn't sold so many tickets early on, Tony would have actually put a lot more effort into this show. Also we would have had a lot more matches announced earlier and likely a few more "dream matches" to help sell tickets.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 14, 2023 18:03:42 GMT -5
The sad thing is, if this hadn't sold so many tickets early on, Tony would have actually put a lot more effort into this show. Also we would have had a lot more matches announced earlier and likely a few more "dream matches" to help sell tickets. Can we really say that for certain? Like, Tony plans out matches pretty far ahead of time, I assume he knew what most of this card looked like before tickets even sold
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Post by raymondo316 on Aug 14, 2023 18:22:30 GMT -5
The sad thing is, if this hadn't sold so many tickets early on, Tony would have actually put a lot more effort into this show. Also we would have had a lot more matches announced earlier and likely a few more "dream matches" to help sell tickets. Can we really say that for certain? Like, Tony plans out matches pretty far ahead of time, I assume he knew what most of this card looked like before tickets even sold I'd put money on it.
If this show was sitting at 30-40 thousand sold back at the end of June, the build for this show would have been very different and Tony would be desperately trying to move more tickets by announcing "dream matches" early.
Hes literally done it in the past for shows that weren't doing great ticket wise, sudden "dream match", Cage match, title match etc announced and boom tickets start selling.
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Post by bearned on Aug 14, 2023 22:22:44 GMT -5
The sad thing is, if this hadn't sold so many tickets early on, Tony would have actually put a lot more effort into this show. Also we would have had a lot more matches announced earlier and likely a few more "dream matches" to help sell tickets. I do love that the positive of selling a massive amount of tickets is somehow turned into a negative.
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Post by 4real on Aug 15, 2023 2:48:50 GMT -5
So Zero Hour starts at 5 and the main show at 6 I’m assuming?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 15, 2023 3:01:04 GMT -5
So Zero Hour starts at 5 and the main show at 6 I’m assuming? For British peeps? Yes For me? 1PM with Zero Hour at Noon lol
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