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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Apr 8, 2023 20:05:40 GMT -5
Moxley bleeds, Jey is conflicted, Wrestling is a flat circle
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Post by DMO- on Apr 8, 2023 20:08:28 GMT -5
I just don’t see how the tribal chief can put up with this conflicted bullshit, should be no question what side you’re on my guy you shouldn’t have to think twice about the tribal chief…. SOLOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 8, 2023 21:10:42 GMT -5
It’s amazing how much character development for Jey they just crapped all over in two months time to end up in the exact same place.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Apr 9, 2023 5:35:54 GMT -5
Jey has become a human Bray Wyatt promo
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 9, 2023 9:02:30 GMT -5
Picturing Todd from Bojack Horseman telling him, "You can't keep doing shitty things and then feel bad about yourself, like that makes it okay. YOU NEED TO BE BETTER."
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 9, 2023 9:56:36 GMT -5
Pretty sure they’re going to have him fully Bloodline for a bit longer, especially while Roman is away. And then revisit later in the year, when the storyline will likely be red hot again Or it will be met with indifference, especially as they've teased Jey breaking away from The Bloodline on multiple occasions now and each time, it gets harder to get invested. I mean, maybe? But they haven’t really had any trouble heating the story back up by adding different elements in the past. We’ll see how it goes
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Post by Dub H on Apr 9, 2023 10:00:39 GMT -5
The logical conclusion was having Jey leave for Sami the first time around and having Sami win the title and celebrate with Jay. Anything after it is just grasping at the last remains of a story already told
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 9, 2023 18:30:54 GMT -5
This is odd booking I know, but if there were one group of babyfaces I could buy getting through to Jey and being the only ones that could still believe in him in spite of everything he's done?
It would be the New Day.
As the team that's battled the Usos the most, potentially developed the most professional respect (to the point of the Usos forfeiting to help Kofi get a shot at the WWE title), and being the only other long term stable that might as close if not closer than the Bloodline, I can see them (especially Kofi and Xavier) being convincing in really illustrating to him that family isn't just blood. Them pointing out that they've been there for each other in good times (like Kingston and Langston becoming world champions) and bad (Big E's injury) and that love and support shouldn't be dependent on following one person's will like it has with Roman? There might be something to there done right because the New Day are a living example of that philosophy more than anyone.
Even though it could bordering on a bit tasteless, Solo or Roman threatening a still recovering Big E and that being the thing that finally pushes Jey too far; even if that would be a repeat verse of the Rumble angle with Zayn and Owens.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 9, 2023 23:18:36 GMT -5
This is odd booking I know, but if there were one group of babyfaces I could buy getting through to Jey and being the only ones that could still believe in him in spite of everything he's done? It would be the New Day. As the team that's battled the Usos the most, potentially developed the most professional respect (to the point of the Usos forfeiting to help Kofi get a shot at the WWE title), and being the only other long term stable that might as close if not closer than the Bloodline, I can see them (especially Kofi and Xavier) being convincing in really illustrating to him that family isn't just blood. Them pointing out that they've been there for each other in good times (like Kingston and Langston becoming world champions) and bad (Big E's injury) and that love and support shouldn't be dependent on following one person's will like it has with Roman? There might be something to there done right because the New Day are a living example of that philosophy more than anyone. Even though it could bordering on a bit tasteless, Solo or Roman threatening a still recovering Big E and that being the thing that finally pushes Jey too far; even if that would be a repeat verse of the Rumble angle with Zayn and Owens. It'd be a fine repeat, really. I mean, "this crosses the line, I'm done" is a tried and true face turn move, it's been going back at least as far as Jimmy Hart turning face on Money, Inc.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 9, 2023 23:27:15 GMT -5
That's the problem with the lot of ya. You don't care about other people's feelings.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 10, 2023 0:14:39 GMT -5
This is odd booking I know, but if there were one group of babyfaces I could buy getting through to Jey and being the only ones that could still believe in him in spite of everything he's done? It would be the New Day. As the team that's battled the Usos the most, potentially developed the most professional respect (to the point of the Usos forfeiting to help Kofi get a shot at the WWE title), and being the only other long term stable that might as close if not closer than the Bloodline, I can see them (especially Kofi and Xavier) being convincing in really illustrating to him that family isn't just blood. Them pointing out that they've been there for each other in good times (like Kingston and Langston becoming world champions) and bad (Big E's injury) and that love and support shouldn't be dependent on following one person's will like it has with Roman? There might be something to there done right because the New Day are a living example of that philosophy more than anyone. Even though it could bordering on a bit tasteless, Solo or Roman threatening a still recovering Big E and that being the thing that finally pushes Jey too far; even if that would be a repeat verse of the Rumble angle with Zayn and Owens. It'd be a fine repeat, really. I mean, "this crosses the line, I'm done" is a tried and true face turn move, it's been going back at least as far as Jimmy Hart turning face on Money, Inc. And it’d be at least something rooted in history that respects the characters of the Usos and the New Day, much like Sami’s intervention to save KO at Royal Rumble.
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 10, 2023 3:20:33 GMT -5
This has to be the most accurate analogy of WWE's current booking that I have seen. Like let us come already, I'm tired and I want to go home. There reaches a point where it's just best to roll out of bed, get your clothes back on and call a cab. Maybe when the ratings start sliding again to the point where Endeavor starts asking themselves what they've bought into, the company _might_ learn how to book. Do we need to be there to see it?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 10, 2023 3:41:12 GMT -5
This has to be the most accurate analogy of WWE's current booking that I have seen. Like let us come already, I'm tired and I want to go home. There reaches a point where it's just best to roll out of bed, get your clothes back on and call a cab. Maybe when the ratings start sliding again to the point where Endeavor starts asking themselves what they've bought into, the company _might_ learn how to book. Do we need to be there to see it? At least you spent the night before you had to call your own cab and stand sadly on the sidewalk.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 10, 2023 4:26:09 GMT -5
Even if Jey does finally turn and the crowd's super into it Roman's just going to beat his ass and send him plummeting down the card anyway, who gives a shit?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 10, 2023 6:00:35 GMT -5
While it's possible to drag it out, really you want to do this 3 times max.
1st time, mixed emotions but he stays
2nd he wants to leave but is somehow forced to stay
3rd he finally does it
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 10, 2023 8:58:07 GMT -5
Even if Jey does finally turn and the crowd's super into it Roman's just going to beat his ass and send him plummeting down the card anyway, who gives a shit? Maybe? Who knows. Maybe Jey wins, or maybe he loses but stays a top face like Sami did after losing. It’s all in the execution and follow up. Guess it depends how the company really thinks of Jey
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Post by clc on Apr 10, 2023 9:03:33 GMT -5
For me, this entire story got messed up when they decided that Kevin Owens was going to be the good guy. Kevin Owens is evil. He is an unhinged toxic bully. His only motivation throughout his career is that he likes to hurt people. He has turned on Sami multiple times. He turned on the New Day for no reason. He went completely off the rails and put Zeke in a coma.
Roman's behavior is at least understandable. He my be bad but he has reasonable motivations. He's been betrayed by his "family" (The Shield) before. He wants to be acknowledged for his hard work (Don't we all?). He wants to provide for his family (Don' we all?). Yes he is paranoid and manipulative and sometimes goes about things the wrong way, but unlike Kevin Owens he is not chaotic evil. Roman was more kind to Sami than Kevin has been. Yeah Roman was manipulative, but he never attacked Sami until Sami Seth'd him. Sami choosing Kevin over Roman makes Sami out to be a victim running back to their abuser.
For me, now, the logical conclusion for this story is not to bring down the Roman and Bloodline. It's to turn them face. To redeem Roman like Darth Vader. Roman turns away from the Wiseman, saves Sami from Kevin, and realizes he was cruel to his cousins. Bloodline either continues in a healthier relationship, or breaks apart with Roman, Usos, and Sami on good terms.
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 10, 2023 13:11:12 GMT -5
At this point, the only path any member of the Bloodline might have to redemption is to lose, especially Roman.
To turn Roman babyface without losing the title is to kill the entire arc, and may cause irreparable damage to WWE as a whole from a creative standpoint. Vince is on very, _very_ thin ice with a lot of fans over what's happened this past week (on top of every other time when Vince has screwed up the booking or Trips for that matter. Vince is treading into World Class territory in which he is losing the fans' trust and engagement has begun to wane.
If Roman is booked to continue holding the title long-term, whether babyface or heel, the titles will continue to lose their value to the audience, to the larger wrestling community and the talent roster. If they can't have it, they will learn not to want it and they will skate by on their money and be "just happy to be here" until they retire or WWE folds.
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Post by sunnytaker on Apr 10, 2023 13:23:20 GMT -5
i fully expect Jimmy to be the one who turns face because they have been going the opposite route so much with the bloodline. in no particular order 1) expect sami to get booted from the bloodline "nope you're an honorary Uce now" and they're serious 2) jimmy accepting sami and jey hating him- jimmy is the one to attack sami after the chairshot on roman while jey doesn;t support it 3) jimmy comes out to get his brother away from roman- joins roman 4) jey stops solo from taking sami out- so he can do it himself 5) solo talks about how sami has been a gret mentor to him- unhesitatingly takes out sami as soon as sami turns face 6) now they're keeping jey and jimmy apart and sami is working on jey- ergo jimmy will turn.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 10, 2023 13:24:21 GMT -5
I don't know how on earth you could possibly make the Roman Reigns character sympathetic ever again after all of this. It's been three years of him just going out of the way to ruin the lives of every single person he encounters, especially his own family, while having constant paranoid meltdowns over mild disagreements. The character reads as completely devoid of any kind of empathy whatsoever.
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