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Post by discoelysium on Apr 18, 2023 14:57:20 GMT -5
Ospreays in a situation as well where, rightly or wrongly, he's taken on the rebuilding of both the New Japan and British wrestling scene on his back so he's been going full force globally throughout the pandemic and beyond. Whilst it's resulted in incredible matches, he's accumulated a lot of wear and tear. He needs to take some prolonged time off Omega style, find out what magic treatments Mysterio got, and get a nice fat contract from AEW or WWE and enjoy a less rigorous schedule. I'm not sure I agree with Ospreay rebuilding the British scene, he's not that involved really. He only works for Rev Pro and that's always had its steady audience of diehards. I'm not saying he has rebuilt it, I'm saying he took it on his shoulders to rebuild, which he said a whole bunch and resulted in a whole load of matches where we went full force in Rev Pro and elsewhere in the UK. And regardless, Britwres is still dead. Hopefully the Wembley show gives some love but it's no where near what it was.
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Post by lockedontarget on Apr 18, 2023 20:54:03 GMT -5
Will hasn’t really been a high flyer for years. He’s more in line with Omega or Ibushi when it comes to his style.
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 18, 2023 21:10:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree with Ospreay rebuilding the British scene, he's not that involved really. He only works for Rev Pro and that's always had its steady audience of diehards. I'm not saying he has rebuilt it, I'm saying he took it on his shoulders to rebuild, which he said a whole bunch and resulted in a whole load of matches where we went full force in Rev Pro and elsewhere in the UK. And regardless, Britwres is still dead. Hopefully the Wembley show gives some love but it's no where near what it was. I mean there are numerous pretty successful Britwres indies springing up like Riot Cabaret and SovPro, is this a new definition of 'dead' that I was previously unaware of?
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 18, 2023 21:13:43 GMT -5
Probably should be posted in the Wrest section, since he's an NJPW guy.
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Post by john84 on Apr 18, 2023 23:23:35 GMT -5
I'm not saying he has rebuilt it, I'm saying he took it on his shoulders to rebuild, which he said a whole bunch and resulted in a whole load of matches where we went full force in Rev Pro and elsewhere in the UK. And regardless, Britwres is still dead. Hopefully the Wembley show gives some love but it's no where near what it was. I mean there are numerous pretty successful Britwres indies springing up like Riot Cabaret and SovPro, is this a new definition of 'dead' that I was previously unaware of? Paramount Professional Wrestling is a new one that's cropped up in my local area I think it was like 2 years ago. Seem to be doing alright for themselves even if their attendance isn't exactly big lol.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 18, 2023 23:31:31 GMT -5
My primary stance on Britwres is that "Britwres" sounds stupid.
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Post by john84 on Apr 18, 2023 23:32:55 GMT -5
My primary stance on Britwres is that "Britwres" sounds stupid. LOL Same here. I never call it Britwres personally, British Wrestling sure but never Britwres. Glad it's not just me that thinks it sounds stupid.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 19, 2023 3:22:52 GMT -5
I really think most people in wrestling would be better off focusing on what sorts of characteristics can make them stand out rather than trying to do the craziest/flippiest spots. These days if you see somebody do something like a springboard phoenix splash to the floor it's just like "oh yeah lol I just saw somebody do that through 6 tables at the GCW show two days ago" and if we've reached that sort of apathy (for lack of a better term) towards stuff like that, I think wrestlers would be better off focusing in other areas, not only to stand out, but also for the sake of their longevity Definitely. If you're a Vikingo that can be best in world at that aspect then by all means go for it. For most wrestlers though standing out through character and/or gimmick is more likely to get them noticed. A more distinct in-ring style too, excelling in one area rather than trying to do everything. I think we'll see a trend in that direction in the coming years, it's arguably already started. Hook is certainly benefiting from that approach. The distinct in ring style is exactly what the crazy high flying spot fest was at one point... it's why so many started doing it because whoever could do the crazier flippiest doodah would get clipped on youtube and spread through social media, and get their name out there. But yeah, it's kind've old hat at this point... I wouldn't be surprised if more character driven wrestling styles like Orange Cassidy is going to be the newer trend. As the last few things I remember seeing even non wrestling fans share tended to be stuff like that.
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Post by Legion on Apr 19, 2023 6:18:37 GMT -5
This is where the WWE style, though people wont want to hear it or admit it, is actually helpful.
It is slower, less hard going, probably less painful and likely is helping guy and girls have much longer carers.
It's funny, I used to laugh at WCW back in the day for being a retirement home, but nowadays, it almost feels like when you need to slow down and take care of your body because you've been doing hard hitting Indie and Japanese stuff for so long, a stint in WWE might actually be better for you than anything else, physically anyway. Mentally, your mileage is gonna vary.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 19, 2023 9:14:57 GMT -5
This is where the WWE style, though people wont want to hear it or admit it, is actually helpful. It is slower, less hard going, probably less painful and likely is helping guy and girls have much longer carers. It's funny, I used to laugh at WCW back in the day for being a retirement home, but nowadays, it almost feels like when you need to slow down and take care of your body because you've been doing hard hitting Indie and Japanese stuff for so long, a stint in WWE might actually be better for you than anything else, physically anyway. Mentally, your mileage is gonna vary. Thr only problem is the mileage that put on their bump cards from house shows and stuff.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 19, 2023 9:17:48 GMT -5
Definitely. If you're a Vikingo that can be best in world at that aspect then by all means go for it. For most wrestlers though standing out through character and/or gimmick is more likely to get them noticed. A more distinct in-ring style too, excelling in one area rather than trying to do everything. I think we'll see a trend in that direction in the coming years, it's arguably already started. Hook is certainly benefiting from that approach. The distinct in ring style is exactly what the crazy high flying spot fest was at one point... it's why so many started doing it because whoever could do the crazier flippiest doodah would get clipped on youtube and spread through social media, and get their name out there. But yeah, it's kind've old hat at this point... I wouldn't be surprised if more character driven wrestling styles like Orange Cassidy is going to be the newer trend. As the last few things I remember seeing even non wrestling fans share tended to be stuff like that. The indies are slowly starting to trend towards characters rather than wrestling being the sole focus. Although currently the biggest indie names are Mike Bailey and Kota Ibushi with the wrestle well gimmick they know how to blend athleticism with psychology. (I also hate how people use the word psychology and automatically think about slow plodding 80's style matches and that shit isn't gonna work nowadays. To me it just means tightening up on selling and knowing when to go home and not overstay your welcome.)
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Post by Legion on Apr 19, 2023 9:29:56 GMT -5
This is where the WWE style, though people wont want to hear it or admit it, is actually helpful. It is slower, less hard going, probably less painful and likely is helping guy and girls have much longer carers. It's funny, I used to laugh at WCW back in the day for being a retirement home, but nowadays, it almost feels like when you need to slow down and take care of your body because you've been doing hard hitting Indie and Japanese stuff for so long, a stint in WWE might actually be better for you than anything else, physically anyway. Mentally, your mileage is gonna vary. Thr only problem is the mileage that put on their bump cards from house shows and stuff. True, more dates and such, but even then, 1 match of a certain style probably equates to considerable more of another. Some performers likely need to look at AJ and how his career has likely been extended by a decent amount just because he went somewhere where the toll on his was likely less than had he gone somewhere else. That doesnt need to be WWE; it's just known that their style is generally considered easier - it could be anywhere where you can slow down and not have the crowds turn on you because they want X and you can only safely do Y now.
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Post by Mr T L Wolf on Apr 19, 2023 10:57:35 GMT -5
A point I saw brought up somewhere else, Will is also 29, and might be having that crisis of turning 30 and what the rest of his life looks like, which might also be a factor in the future looking so finite, when after getting past that hump it might clear up a bit for him mentally.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 19, 2023 11:04:00 GMT -5
I'm not saying he has rebuilt it, I'm saying he took it on his shoulders to rebuild, which he said a whole bunch and resulted in a whole load of matches where we went full force in Rev Pro and elsewhere in the UK. And regardless, Britwres is still dead. Hopefully the Wembley show gives some love but it's no where near what it was. I mean there are numerous pretty successful Britwres indies springing up like Riot Cabaret and SovPro, is this a new definition of 'dead' that I was previously unaware of? I do miss the ICW vs Black Label feud that sold out the Hydro
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 19, 2023 12:30:06 GMT -5
A point I saw brought up somewhere else, Will is also 29, and might be having that crisis of turning 30 and what the rest of his life looks like, which might also be a factor in the future looking so finite, when after getting past that hump it might clear up a bit for him mentally. Hes also been wrestling since he was young and racked up injuries that are gonna hurt later on in life. I can see why he's dower and down compared to months past. He also got hurt during the biggest run of his career and that has to sting to lose momentum like that.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 19, 2023 14:06:33 GMT -5
He's toned down his style a ton since going heavyweight but, he might need to consider the kind of 180 that Keiji Mutoh did in 2001 before he left for All Japan.
That change extended his career a full decade after his lower body was basically running on Sith Alchemy alone.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 19, 2023 14:09:56 GMT -5
This is where the WWE style, though people wont want to hear it or admit it, is actually helpful. It is slower, less hard going, probably less painful and likely is helping guy and girls have much longer carers. It's funny, I used to laugh at WCW back in the day for being a retirement home, but nowadays, it almost feels like when you need to slow down and take care of your body because you've been doing hard hitting Indie and Japanese stuff for so long, a stint in WWE might actually be better for you than anything else, physically anyway. Mentally, your mileage is gonna vary. I don't agree with the idea that the Japanese style played as much of a part in Will's issues than his high-flying style. Guys like Satoshi Kojima, Yuji Nagata, Minoru Suzuki, Masato Tanaka, Maasaki Mochizuki etc. are wrestling at a high level well into their 50s. They all wrestled a hard-hitting style for a ton of dates. I think it has much more to do with the bump card than anything else.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 19, 2023 14:15:02 GMT -5
Ospreays in a situation as well where, rightly or wrongly, he's taken on the rebuilding of both the New Japan and British wrestling scene on his back so he's been going full force globally throughout the pandemic and beyond. Whilst it's resulted in incredible matches, he's accumulated a lot of wear and tear. He needs to take some prolonged time off Omega style, find out what magic treatments Mysterio got, and get a nice fat contract from AEW or WWE and enjoy a less rigorous schedule. I'm not sure I agree with Ospreay rebuilding the British scene, he's not that involved really. He only works for Rev Pro and that's always had its steady audience of diehards. Honestly it was kinda funny to see him trying to pull that "I've put Britwres on my back" crap towards the end of his relevancy here when everyone was just like "Piss off to Japan, actually apologise to Pollyanna, and then don't come back"
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Post by Cyno on Apr 19, 2023 14:25:33 GMT -5
This is where the WWE style, though people wont want to hear it or admit it, is actually helpful. It is slower, less hard going, probably less painful and likely is helping guy and girls have much longer carers. It's funny, I used to laugh at WCW back in the day for being a retirement home, but nowadays, it almost feels like when you need to slow down and take care of your body because you've been doing hard hitting Indie and Japanese stuff for so long, a stint in WWE might actually be better for you than anything else, physically anyway. Mentally, your mileage is gonna vary. I don't agree with the idea that the Japanese style played as much of a part in Will's issues than his high-flying style. Guys like Satoshi Kojima, Yuji Nagata, Minoru Suzuki, Masato Tanaka, Maasaki Mochizuki etc. are wrestling at a high level well into their 50s. They all wrestled a hard-hitting style for a ton of dates. I think it has much more to do with the bump card than anything else. And it's not like the WWE style hasn't yielded its share of long-term and career-threatening injuries. It's pro wrestling. Wear and tear is always going to be a factor no matter how "safe" a style is. And freak accidents happen a lot more on the mundane shit than anything.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 19, 2023 14:32:43 GMT -5
I don't agree with the idea that the Japanese style played as much of a part in Will's issues than his high-flying style. Guys like Satoshi Kojima, Yuji Nagata, Minoru Suzuki, Masato Tanaka, Maasaki Mochizuki etc. are wrestling at a high level well into their 50s. They all wrestled a hard-hitting style for a ton of dates. I think it has much more to do with the bump card than anything else. And it's not like the WWE style hasn't yielded its share of long-term and career-threatening injuries. It's pro wrestling. Wear and tear is always going to be a factor no matter how "safe" a style is. And freak accidents happen a lot more on the mundane shit than anything. Rey Mysterio was just on Logan Paul's podcast and they talked about Paul and Ricochet's mid air spot, and Paul talked about how he hurt himself on the landing because he didn't land right. Rey responded with "There's no right way to land." That's true. The way they teach people how to take bumps and the like is basically just harm reduction. Years of simply taking flat backs are bad enough to cause the kind of wear and tear you see on older wrestlers.
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