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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2023 23:14:36 GMT -5
A Bret Hart 4/10. A lot of rough spots and questionable decisions
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 19, 2023 23:18:58 GMT -5
And it might end up being the lowest rated show of the year so far for AEW lol Once again, that bar is high, which is a compliment I suppose I always find it interesting to see the reaction to a show when I'm watching it after everyone else did. I'm sure posting here can color one's view of a show. But I thought tonight had a lot going for it: - A clean title change with a face getting a big pop. - A new big time talent (Jay White) making his in-ring debut as a roster member and having a fun match to boot. - Some eye popping stuff w/ Komander and plenty in the main event. - A big advancement angle wise with Takeshita joining the Elite to take on the BCC. - A hot angle taking Cole/Jericho and Britt/Outcasts to another level. - A match playing directly into the next world title match on the next PPV to give us some direction moving forward. I'm very much with you. I think people are down on the Pillars Tournament and the ending to the main event but I see it from your perspective, I do get people just being sapped of heel champions right now indirectly from other places stacking on top of this one People also think Hobbs is dead in the water which I also don't agree with but whatever, next move there's important. I really liked the developments though, I felt like this was a necessary show with a lot of well hit plotpoints, especially Takeshita joining the fight.
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Post by Rave on Apr 19, 2023 23:19:51 GMT -5
7. Overlong beatdown segments suck, that ending was awful, and dear gods do I not want Shawn Spears anywhere near Jay White for his first actual AEW feud. On the bright side, QTV is more than likely getting binned, Komander sticking around pleases me, and please let being included in the BCC/Elite feud be the thing that gets Takeshita to that figurative next level. Jay White shouldn't be taken to the limit in his debut match. Kommander is super impressive (though one of those spots where he kept jumping off the top onto the middle rope was just stupid) but this wasn't the time for it imo I think this was done to head off the people who would've screamed about Switchblade being overhyped if he'd gotten a squash debut, TBH.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 19, 2023 23:21:44 GMT -5
7. Overlong beatdown segments suck, that ending was awful, and dear gods do I not want Shawn Spears anywhere near Jay White for his first actual AEW feud. On the bright side, QTV is more than likely getting binned, and Komander sticking around pleases me. Jay White shouldn't be taken to the limit in his debut match. Kommander is super impressive (though one of those spots where he kept jumping off the top onto the middle rope was just stupid) but this wasn't the time for it imo I think this was done to head off the people who would've screamed about Switchblade being overhyped if he'd gotten a squash debut, TBH. Jay White has also wrestled other AEW matches, this was like his third on TV. Komander's a dude who has been fighting Vikingo for the AAA title and took a world title contender in Guevara to the limit, he's not a pushover and people here before the match started were hoping for a back and forth banger, Komander isn't a guy you squash. As for Spears, it's fine, they want a body for Jay to catch and someone to help Ricky Starks in this feud, as it seems they've cooled on Andretti till he develops more for now.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 19, 2023 23:24:07 GMT -5
A Bret Hart 4/10. A lot of rough spots and questionable decisions What were the other questionable decisions? I know Hobbs losing is one, is the ending finish the other? I feel like I'm almost alone in loving how they did that, but the main complaint seems to be ending the show with it. But you want a cliffhanger for next week and that was it, Jungle Boy got screwed, how is he gonna respond? The answer seems to be making sure the four way comes into place Like some peeps aren't really high on this padding out some weeks but the entire time up to now a four way has not been mentioned, it's been "One guy is trying to get a one on one title match", you do need some logical way to make all three guys get Max at once and to me, this is the right way, especially since Max has been up to this point kinda clowned by all three of them.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 19, 2023 23:27:23 GMT -5
I'll say this - I think we're either getting Darby/MJF which I'm totally fine with since Darby I think is the most polished of the three challengers in all aspects and has the strongest connection with the crowd OR we're getting the fatal four way which I still think is a strong possibility. They have A LOT OF TV until the PPV. We have five episodes of Dynamite before Double or Nothing. I actually think the most likely scenario is next week - MJF costs Darby the match and then TK gives Jack/Darby a chance to get into the match since they were screwed by taking on Max/Sammy in a tag match. They win - then we get the fatal four way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 23:29:15 GMT -5
keep jumping back and forth from 5-7 and just stuck with 5...Definitely not a cohesive show but there is always something to enjoy each episode. This will be one I will forget quickly except for the fact I missed rampage and will remember Spears being back and "Be there or be triangular"...Uh thanks Jeff.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2023 23:32:57 GMT -5
A Bret Hart 4/10. A lot of rough spots and questionable decisions What were the other questionable decisions? I know Hobbs losing is one, is the ending finish the other? I feel like I'm almost alone in loving how they did that, but the main complaint seems to be ending the show with it. But you want a cliffhanger for next week and that was it, Jungle Boy got screwed, how is he gonna respond? The answer seems to be making sure the four way comes into place Like some peeps aren't really high on this padding out some weeks but the entire time up to now a four way has not been mentioned, it's been "One guy is trying to get a one on one title match", you do need some logical way to make all three guys get Max at once and to me, this is the right way, especially since Max has been up to this point kinda clowned by all three of them. The questionable decisions were Hobbs losing, the JAS/Outcasts alliance, Spears in Jay White’s debut feud (Starks is fine though), and the main event angle which seems like a clear padding out of the story to get to the 4-way (and not in a particularly entertaining way, not to mention the promo that opened the show was rough).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 19, 2023 23:36:25 GMT -5
What were the other questionable decisions? I know Hobbs losing is one, is the ending finish the other? I feel like I'm almost alone in loving how they did that, but the main complaint seems to be ending the show with it. But you want a cliffhanger for next week and that was it, Jungle Boy got screwed, how is he gonna respond? The answer seems to be making sure the four way comes into place Like some peeps aren't really high on this padding out some weeks but the entire time up to now a four way has not been mentioned, it's been "One guy is trying to get a one on one title match", you do need some logical way to make all three guys get Max at once and to me, this is the right way, especially since Max has been up to this point kinda clowned by all three of them. The questionable decisions were Hobbs losing, the JAS/Outcasts alliance, Spears in Jay White’s debut feud (Starks is fine though), and the main event angle which seems like a clear padding out of the story to get to the 4-way (and not in a particularly entertaining way, not to mention the promo that opened the show was rough). I thought JAS/Outcasts made perfect sense though, they have common enemies I also think this is how we get the 5 heels for the potential Blood and Guts, TayJay joining The Outcasts would make plenty of sense Spears is just an easy body, White can beat him, he can assist Ricky in the feud, he had a good return match with Jungle Boy where he established he's a face now, he's trustworthy to help get them over imo so Starks doesn't take pins. Opening promo was definitely not up to the par of the others but I thought they did alright and the crowd cared about them and MJF. The feud just set a high bar with the promos before it, they weren't topping Sting's stuff from last week lol
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2023 23:44:30 GMT -5
The questionable decisions were Hobbs losing, the JAS/Outcasts alliance, Spears in Jay White’s debut feud (Starks is fine though), and the main event angle which seems like a clear padding out of the story to get to the 4-way (and not in a particularly entertaining way, not to mention the promo that opened the show was rough). I thought JAS/Outcasts made perfect sense though, they have common enemies I also think this is how we get the 5 heels for the potential Blood and Guts, TayJay joining The Outcasts would make plenty of sense Spears is just an easy body, White can beat him, he can assist Ricky in the feud, he had a good return match with Jungle Boy where he established he's a face now, he's trustworthy to help get them over imo so Starks doesn't take pins. Opening promo was definitely not up to the par of the others but I thought they did alright and the crowd cared about them and MJF. The feud just set a high bar with the promos before it, they weren't topping Sting's stuff from last week lol Things can “make sense” and still be boring or bad, though. And that opening promo was slightly painful to watch for me, it was a real struggle. Total opposite of what they’d been doing.
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Post by Rave on Apr 19, 2023 23:48:23 GMT -5
7. Overlong beatdown segments suck, that ending was awful, and dear gods do I not want Shawn Spears anywhere near Jay White for his first actual AEW feud. On the bright side, QTV is more than likely getting binned, and Komander sticking around pleases me. I think this was done to head off the people who would've screamed about Switchblade being overhyped if he'd gotten a squash debut, TBH. Jay White has also wrestled other AEW matches, this was like his third on TV. Komander's a dude who has been fighting Vikingo for the AAA title and took a world title contender in Guevara to the limit, he's not a pushover and people here before the match started were hoping for a back and forth banger, Komander isn't a guy you squash. As for Spears, it's fine, they want a body for Jay to catch and someone to help Ricky Starks in this feud, as it seems they've cooled on Andretti till he develops more for now. I'm not arguing for giving him a squash, although now I'm curious as to how Switchblade/Serpentico would be. It's been nearly ten months since his last AEW match and his first AEW match as a contracted talent, so you've got people who likely haven't seen him before, don't remember him, or who ignored the New Japan crossover stuff from last June. Giving him Komander and letting them go at it, that's a much better hook than just squashing someone. Plus, like I said, giving him a competitive match right off the bat is a good tactic to head off anyone screaming about him being overhyped, even though I'm sure certain sections of the internet will still try to pull that nonsense. And I still hate the idea of Spears just barely coming back and being automatically launched into what's likely to be a fairly high-profile feud. Thinking about it more makes it feel placeholder-y. Is it too early for Forbidden Door 2 crossover? Maybe bring over Fred Rosser and further his recent animosity with Juice instead?
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 19, 2023 23:53:44 GMT -5
Probably a 6. Really liked the women's tag match and the Cole/Jericho segment involving a lot of the women's angle stuff. Liked Hobbs/Wardlow well enough (along with Christian appearing next to Luchasarus) and the further evolution to BCC/Elite was great to see.
Thought everything involving the four pillars title feud, from the promo at the jump to the backstage segment to the main event match and ending, was just terrible and a huge drag down on the show itself. This feud might have worked if it were confined to one 10 minute segment a week and for the TNT title but THIS feud being for the main AEW title is making the title seem like such a drop off from when Kenny/Punk/Mox/Hangman had it (even from the Danielson/Starks feuds with MJF). Just awful, awful stuff.
Also the six man tag being run after the massive heat segment of Cole/Jericho was really dumb and felt like dead air to a several week long feud with a nothing match. As for Jay White, I still haven't really enjoyed him at all since 2021 (minus the Eddie match and Eddie has a good match with absolutely everyone so that doesn't count) and that match didn't change things. Love Komander, though.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 20, 2023 0:11:46 GMT -5
I would have let Jay White get more offense in his first match:
I would not have had Ruby just tap to Britt once again. It doesn’t really put the heels over as much of a threat.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 20, 2023 0:12:05 GMT -5
I thought JAS/Outcasts made perfect sense though, they have common enemies I also think this is how we get the 5 heels for the potential Blood and Guts, TayJay joining The Outcasts would make plenty of sense Spears is just an easy body, White can beat him, he can assist Ricky in the feud, he had a good return match with Jungle Boy where he established he's a face now, he's trustworthy to help get them over imo so Starks doesn't take pins. Opening promo was definitely not up to the par of the others but I thought they did alright and the crowd cared about them and MJF. The feud just set a high bar with the promos before it, they weren't topping Sting's stuff from last week lol Things can “make sense” and still be boring or bad, though. And that opening promo was slightly painful to watch for me, it was a real struggle. Total opposite of what they’d been doing. Absolutely, I'm not saying you're wrong for feeling any way, I'm just getting your perspective on it and adding my thoughts It helps me understand how other peeps saw it or are coming from even if I don't agree, it's why I like discussions here, we don't have to agree but I like the feedback when it's constructive and from a meaningful place, like you gave!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 20, 2023 0:13:49 GMT -5
Jay White has also wrestled other AEW matches, this was like his third on TV. Komander's a dude who has been fighting Vikingo for the AAA title and took a world title contender in Guevara to the limit, he's not a pushover and people here before the match started were hoping for a back and forth banger, Komander isn't a guy you squash. As for Spears, it's fine, they want a body for Jay to catch and someone to help Ricky Starks in this feud, as it seems they've cooled on Andretti till he develops more for now. I'm not arguing for giving him a squash, although now I'm curious as to how Switchblade/Serpentico would be. It's been nearly ten months since his last AEW match and his first AEW match as a contracted talent, so you've got people who likely haven't seen him before, don't remember him, or who ignored the New Japan crossover stuff from last June. Giving him Komander and letting them go at it, that's a much better hook than just squashing someone. Plus, like I said, giving him a competitive match right off the bat is a good tactic to head off anyone screaming about him being overhyped, even though I'm sure certain sections of the internet will still try to pull that nonsense. And I still hate the idea of Spears just barely coming back and being automatically launched into what's likely to be a fairly high-profile feud. Thinking about it more makes it feel placeholder-y. Is it too early for Forbidden Door 2 crossover? Maybe bring over Fred Rosser and further his recent animosity with Juice instead? I imagine we dont get FD II stuff at a high pace until Double or Nothing is over, as FD II is in June, probably ramps up post-PPV
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 20, 2023 0:15:33 GMT -5
I would have let Jay White get more offense in his first match: I would not have had Ruby just tap to Britt once again. It doesn’t really put the heels over as much of a threat. Ruby, Saraya and Toni have been dominating the faces for a large portion of this feud, Britt getting the hometown win is fine imo, especially if Jamie got legit hurt in the match, what can ya do there? That's a bad break. As for Jay, here's the thing, he dominated most of that match, Komander got a run when Jay got cocky and was like "Haha come on, hit me!" and regretted it, leading to a nice ending sprint where Jay won, but Komander proved he wasn't a pushover, and if he's gonna be All Elite that's what you want imo
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 20, 2023 0:34:50 GMT -5
I would have let Jay White get more offense in his first match: I would not have had Ruby just tap to Britt once again. It doesn’t really put the heels over as much of a threat. Ruby, Saraya and Toni have been dominating the faces for a large portion of this feud, Britt getting the hometown win is fine imo, especially if Jamie got legit hurt in the match, what can ya do there? That's a bad break. As for Jay, here's the thing, he dominated most of that match, Komander got a run when Jay got cocky and was like "Haha come on, hit me!" and regretted it, leading to a nice ending sprint where Jay won, but Komander proved he wasn't a pushover, and if he's gonna be All Elite that's what you want imo The Outcasts have been beating up on Willow and Skye Blue. Not that impressive They really have not done much to Britt and Hayter. And they have accomplished nothing of note so far. You need to be doing everything possible to put them over as THE threat in the division. And frankly they don’t feel that threatening. There was no reason to have them lose here.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 20, 2023 0:44:42 GMT -5
Ruby, Saraya and Toni have been dominating the faces for a large portion of this feud, Britt getting the hometown win is fine imo, especially if Jamie got legit hurt in the match, what can ya do there? That's a bad break. As for Jay, here's the thing, he dominated most of that match, Komander got a run when Jay got cocky and was like "Haha come on, hit me!" and regretted it, leading to a nice ending sprint where Jay won, but Komander proved he wasn't a pushover, and if he's gonna be All Elite that's what you want imo The Outcasts have been beating up on Willow and Skye Blue. Not that impressive They really have not done much to Britt and Hayter. And they have accomplished nothing of note so far. You need to be doing everything possible to put them over as THE threat in the division. And frankly they don’t feel that threatening. There was no reason to have them lose here. They injured Hayter, intended or not you work that they injured the champ into the storyline, then they beat the shit out of Britt in front of her husband Even in loss, I think that helps them a great deal as a threat
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Apr 20, 2023 4:20:10 GMT -5
And it might end up being the lowest rated show of the year so far for AEW lol Once again, that bar is high, which is a compliment I suppose I always find it interesting to see the reaction to a show when I'm watching it after everyone else did. I'm sure posting here can color one's view of a show. But I thought tonight had a lot going for it: - A clean title change with a face getting a big pop. - A new big time talent (Jay White) making his in-ring debut as a roster member and having a fun match to boot. - Some eye popping stuff w/ Komander and plenty in the main event. - A big advancement angle wise with Takeshita joining the Elite to take on the BCC. - A hot angle taking Cole/Jericho and Britt/Outcasts to another level. - A match playing directly into the next world title match on the next PPV to give us some direction moving forward. Yeah, I have to watch pretty much everything after everyone else due to work, so I can't play along in the live threads, and it's always interesting to wonder how the reaction will be when you hop on (compared to your own). This one I'll give a 7 too. Opening promo: I like how Darby briefly sounded like a heel. And it worked. I would never have thought Allin would be the most polished sounding of the 3. Jack's promo in and of itself wasn't bad, he just lacks confidence in his own voice. I didn't mind it, the insider stuff didn't put me off, and each person had a valid point. Most of all I like how each one of them was a good guy and a bad guy to the other. The heel showing respect to the face for reasons, and vice versa. Just lots of shades of grey, and it worked. BCC/Elite: It furthers it along nice. Very okay with Takeshita being inserted into it. But can you imagine if Kota debuted here instead?! Hobbs/Wardlow: Did NOT like this decision. But I did like they're moving Christian and Luchasaurus into something new away from JB. Like Christian the wrestler was "buried" by Jungle Boy, and now he's transitioning into more of a manager maybe. I'm a fan if they go that way. They gotta give Hobbs something after this though. He was gaining traction. I think Wardlow as champ again is a step backwards. But I am looking forward to the Luchasaurus feud. I would've liked Hobbs vs. Luchasurus more. Test Hobbs as a babyface. Wardlow is meh right now. White/Komander: Good balance by K, but not a good showing in parts. I'll chalk it up to maybe he's not used to the ring/ropes yet? I get 100% that being safe in doing a spot is the most important thing, but between he and Vikingo it kinda takes me out of the match when they have to pause for like 10 seconds before they do their move. I get why, I don't want anyone getting hurt, it just interrupts the flow of the match. Like...it takes me out of it. I enjoyed how they used Spears "10" gimmick. I'm not terribly excited for this, but the wrestling should be damn good between all 4. Cole/Jericho: Eh. It was okay. The ending with Baker fell flat for me. But it was smart to do it in her hometown for maximum heel-age. Jericho's jacket was ridiculous, lol. Guevara/Jungle Boy: It was good. Solid. But this doesn't feel like a world title feud right now. But that might be because MJF is having to help elevate 3 other people to main event level at once. Darby is the strongest of the 3 at the moment, but I still hope it's a 4 way because that match will be GOOD. I wonder what Sammy wrote on that blank check. And Darby getting the bye...hmmmm..... Random Thoughts: Excalibur is great and all, but man sometimes he comes off like the human version of all the ads at WM just in your face all the time. I didn't like The Acclaimed's rap. I'm glad the women were given more than 5 minutes this show. Helped they were in Pittsburgh.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 20, 2023 4:23:06 GMT -5
7/8 is fair. Apparently, it was the worst thing ever and I'm reminded again of why I don't want participate in these ever. A 5 is worst thing ever? Sure. Anyway. Gave it a 5 myself. Not great, but not terrible. Just felt like something about the show was...."off"
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