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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 23, 2023 7:02:28 GMT -5
Judicious use of clean vocals as a contrast to the harsh makes death metal songs sound way heavier. See: Whitechapel and Anaal Nathrakh. really depends on how it's applied. those are two fantastic examples. on the other end, well... teehee side note: how the f*** was this produced by Ross Robinson?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 23, 2023 7:05:03 GMT -5
I like music videos, but I do think that, post-MTV relevance, most music videos are really phoned in. There are some exceptions, like I imagine music videos are still more utilized overseas given I see actual production go into some k-pop music videos, but most US music videos are either done dirt cheap or are a vehicle for cameos in place of doing anything especially interesting. That's not to say that wasn't still often the case in the '80s-'00s, but you still got some good ones sprinkled into the mid-tier acts, too, and now, it's almost exclusively big stars who can afford production for their videos. "5 guys djenting in a warehouse" as Finn McKenty would say. if you're not going to put the effort in, I don't know why you'd even bother to do something a picture of the album cover could also do.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 23, 2023 7:21:07 GMT -5
-being able to make music with a computer doesn't mean you lack musical talent, it's identical to learning any other instrument It's composing. Choosing the sounds, arranging them, creating the song. If people throw that out, might as well throw out Mozart, Beethoven and all the classical composers who built centuries of music.
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Post by coleslaw on Apr 23, 2023 8:36:10 GMT -5
Judicious use of clean vocals as a contrast to the harsh makes death metal songs sound way heavier. See: Whitechapel and Anaal Nathrakh. really depends on how it's applied. those are two fantastic examples. on the other end, well... teehee side note: how the f*** was this produced by Ross Robinson? I actually never thought this song was *that* bad honestly. A step down from their previous work, sure, but I've certainly heard worse
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Post by Hurbster on Apr 23, 2023 8:51:52 GMT -5
Coheed and Cambria > Rush That is all.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Apr 23, 2023 9:26:38 GMT -5
I'd rather listen to Lulu than anything else Metallica's put out since the '80s. I hate AC/DC. I always listen to Lulu instead of Metallica.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Apr 23, 2023 9:27:34 GMT -5
Dusty Springfield's White Heat should be an essential album of the 80s.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 23, 2023 11:14:08 GMT -5
really depends on how it's applied. those are two fantastic examples. on the other end, well... teehee side note: how the f*** was this produced by Ross Robinson? I actually never thought this song was *that* bad honestly. A step down from their previous work, sure, but I've certainly heard worse Honestly for me it's worse than I remember. I think because of "teehee" people don't pay attention to everything else that's bad about it. Guitars are undercooked and vocals have no force to them at all. It also feels poorly structured.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Apr 23, 2023 11:59:58 GMT -5
There's plenty of great new music out there, you just have to actually look for it. When someone says "they don't make good music anymore!" what I hear is "I refuse to listen to anything that came out after I turned 20."
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Apr 23, 2023 12:45:27 GMT -5
Do theme songs count?
The Ted Nichols Scooby-Doo theme > the Where Are You theme we all know
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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on Apr 23, 2023 13:01:21 GMT -5
This is probably more of an old man yelling at clouds, but whenever I try to listen to top 40 or a new music list, everything feels really bland and low energy. It all just runs together with nothing to catch my attention. I enjoy several fairly disparate genres but yeah, it's just kind of there. I think at least part of this is that with mainstream pop music you now have a couple of dozen songwriters working with pretty much every recording artist now, kind of like how in the early sixties you had the Brill Building Sound. So you've got one songwriter/producer and they've worked with Miley Cyrus, and Harry Styles, and Sam Smith, and so on and so forth, and it creates a sameness.
I was listening to a podcast the other day as well that suggested that pop music often isn't even created with the aim of producing singles anymore, a lot of it is to create a "vibe" or fit on a Spotify playlist somewhere, so you end up a lot of similar songs because they need to all fit in with each other.
This kind of leads me onto my hot take, which is that people who say pop music isn't good anymore aren't completely wrong. In terms of quality it's as good or bad as it's ever been, but you hear people say that you need to look harder now for interesting pop music, and I think that if anything that's indicative of modern pop music's shortcomings. Pop music used to be the basis for pretty much all post-war youth/pop culture and I'm not sure it is anymore, the industry has become too hegemonic and it's harder than ever to succeed as a recording artist now because of that, and just because a lot of people can't afford to anymore; you're never going to have another Nirvana, for example, because who can afford to live in Seattle or any other major metropolis while sustaining a career as a working musician unless they're already independently very wealthy? Pop music means less than it ever has and I don't really see that changing.
Also, apart from about two songs I can't bear Queen, at all.
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Post by karl100589 on Apr 23, 2023 13:06:35 GMT -5
Do theme songs count? The Ted Nichols Scooby-Doo theme > the Where Are You theme we all know On a similar note: College Years theme > Saved By The Bell
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 23, 2023 13:09:56 GMT -5
This is probably more of an old man yelling at clouds, but whenever I try to listen to top 40 or a new music list, everything feels really bland and low energy. It all just runs together with nothing to catch my attention. I enjoy several fairly disparate genres but yeah, it's just kind of there. Most of my exposure to new pop music comes from watching Saturday Night Live. A lot of the time I feel like the musical guest is about to shift into a higher gear...and then the song just ends. I don't get it. A lot of music made lately feels like it's being done to make a decent hook for a TikTok or Instagram Reel and that's about it. Rest of the song could be absolute shit and it goes viral based on 15 or so catchy seconds.
Makes me appreciate the artists making full, good songs lately.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 14:18:07 GMT -5
"Music is just being made for Tik-Tok" is just the old "Music is just being made for Ringtones" argument from 20 years ago. It's not wrong, per se, but it'll pass. The biggest metal bands on earth are the ones who are skilled at making relatively simple things sound epic, such as Metallica, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc. Speaking of metal, metal is at its best when it's caveman riffs that aren't overwrought or overcomplicated. Pop music is surprisingly on the upswing in terms of quality. Sam Smith seems like a genuinely nice person and I'm all for anyone being out and proud, but their newest "reinvention" seems like hackneyed, calculated horseshit. It's like...c'mon, you were the one who did the lamest and most milquetoast Bond theme ever like 5 years ago and you made your career off BEING milquetoast and inoffensive.
(didn't realize I'd misgendered, thanks to FinalGwen for pointing that out. DEFINITELY not my intention)
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Apr 23, 2023 14:58:26 GMT -5
Phil Collins had a better '80s decade than Michael Jackson and Prince in terms of album impact, hit song quality and a memorable legacy.
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 23, 2023 15:14:08 GMT -5
Sam Smith seems like a genuinely nice man and I'm all for anyone being out and proud, but his newest "reinvention" seems like hackneyed, calculated horseshit. My guy, you were the one who did the lamest and most milquetoast Bond theme ever like 5 years ago and you made your career off BEING milquetoast and inoffensive. Just to correct this, Sam Smith is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. (Also, I suspect the reason for going in a different direction might be because it's impossible to be simultaneously trans and milquetoast/inoffensive to a large segment of the population, so why not get a bit wild?)
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Post by SneakMan on Apr 23, 2023 16:21:16 GMT -5
It's a good album but IMO My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy isn't even the best album of 2010, let alone the best of last decade.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 23, 2023 16:45:36 GMT -5
It's a good album but IMO My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy isn't even the best album of 2010, let alone the best of last decade. I thought it was a great album and also the last really good Kanye album before both his rap career and mind went off the deep end. But it was already outclassed 2 years later by Kendrick's Good Kid, M.A.A.D City. Not to mention everything he's done since like TPAB, DAMN., etc.
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Post by Burst on Apr 23, 2023 17:07:41 GMT -5
In no particular order...
- I'm happy that the consensus on disco in retrospect does seem to have come around to "okay yeah, the backlash was never really about the music itself so much as just who was enjoying the music". I also feel like even well into the 90's and 00's "lol disco sucks" was a narrative that was still being pushed in general pop culture which only really kinda fell away in the early 2010s or so.
- David Gilmour-era Floyd is far more listenable than pretty much anything Roger Waters put out after leaving.
- Paul Williams is horribly underrated as a singer/songwriter.
- Phantom of the Opera has held up incredibly well and I think is the best overall of the ALW musicals (though as was pointed out, how much of that was because of him and how much of it was his collaborators is another argument for another time), while Cats feels like it's aged about as well as the concept music video for Phantom.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 18:41:02 GMT -5
Sam Smith seems like a genuinely nice man and I'm all for anyone being out and proud, but his newest "reinvention" seems like hackneyed, calculated horseshit. My guy, you were the one who did the lamest and most milquetoast Bond theme ever like 5 years ago and you made your career off BEING milquetoast and inoffensive. Just to correct this, Sam Smith is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. (Also, I suspect the reason for going in a different direction might be because it's impossible to be simultaneously trans and milquetoast/inoffensive to a large segment of the population, so why not get a bit wild?)
D'oh... corrected. Sorry.
I guess with Sam I just don't 100% buy the sleazy BDSM reinvention thing they got going on, you know? They seem like someone down the road in your neighborhood who has wine tasting parties once a month and they donate heavily to cat shelters, and likely go to bed at 9:30 pm every night on the dot.
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