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Post by schma on Apr 23, 2023 19:08:31 GMT -5
I enjoy metal minus the guttural growling that you find in some of the subgenres. I'd much rather vocals that I can understand clearly than noises that to my ear just sound like random growling (I know they're saying something, it just doesn't appeal to me aesthetically). I know this cuts down the number of metal bands I actively enjoy by a lot but it's just something that has never appealed to me.
I can enjoy harsh vocals or symphonic vocals, just now the growls.
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Post by Burst on Apr 23, 2023 19:49:15 GMT -5
I'll also echo the sentiment about preferring understandable vocals in metal. I've had more than one song where I was really getting into the intro and then it completely lost me when the vocals started. I'm not well versed enough in metal subgenres to know what this would fall under, but it always feels like a huge disconnect to me when you have an impressive riff and melody during the instrumental breaks which completely falls apart for the vocals when it's like the lead singer can't actually carry a melody at the scream they're trying to sustain, and it ends up coming off like an unintentional screaming rap break.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 23, 2023 19:56:26 GMT -5
For the most part metal's something I don't have a super huge amount of use for, but I definitely do find it a lot more tolerable when the vocals are more emphasized and aren't just random screaming gibberish.
As for the subject of modern good music... Certainly hard to find that as a fan of classic country. Seems like every single thing out of the genre at this point is I LIKE PARTIES AND WOMEN AND HATE CITIES while sounding like a bad rap song.
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Post by schma on Apr 24, 2023 0:11:08 GMT -5
For the most part metal's something I don't have a super huge amount of use for, but I definitely do find it a lot more tolerable when the vocals are more emphasized and aren't just random screaming gibberish. As for the subject of modern good music... Certainly hard to find that as a fan of classic country. Seems like every single thing out of the genre at this point is I LIKE PARTIES AND WOMEN AND HATE CITIES while sounding like a bad rap song. I grew up on country more than most genres and I noticed a shift over the years. There were always the songs about partying or patriotism or the or the benefits of a simple rural life. However, it does seem that post 9/11 there was a shift where the patriotism and hating cities grew more pronounced. I don't want to get much into it because I think politics play a role, but I do hear a difference in the songs today vs 20, 30 years ago.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 24, 2023 6:11:05 GMT -5
I'll also echo the sentiment about preferring understandable vocals in metal. I've had more than one song where I was really getting into the intro and then it completely lost me when the vocals started. I'm not well versed enough in metal subgenres to know what this would fall under, but it always feels like a huge disconnect to me when you have an impressive riff and melody during the instrumental breaks which completely falls apart for the vocals when it's like the lead singer can't actually carry a melody at the scream they're trying to sustain, and it ends up coming off like an unintentional screaming rap break. couterpoint: most extreme metal would sound f***ing ridiculous with clean vocals. the whole point is to sound alienating and disorienting. imagine how dumb Cannibal Corpse would sound with a Halford-esque screeching falsetto.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 24, 2023 7:00:02 GMT -5
I'm another one who doesn't really like the Death Grunting and Gargle vocals. It just sounds like someone groaning through bad constipation to me. I've been kinda worried about saying that I don't really like metal on here (though I like related stuff like Post-Rock, Djent, and some Prog as long as it's instrumental). Admittedly, I'm someone who worries a lot about what my tastes will make others think about me.
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Post by H-Virus on Apr 24, 2023 7:10:14 GMT -5
I'll also echo the sentiment about preferring understandable vocals in metal. I've had more than one song where I was really getting into the intro and then it completely lost me when the vocals started. I'm not well versed enough in metal subgenres to know what this would fall under, but it always feels like a huge disconnect to me when you have an impressive riff and melody during the instrumental breaks which completely falls apart for the vocals when it's like the lead singer can't actually carry a melody at the scream they're trying to sustain, and it ends up coming off like an unintentional screaming rap break. couterpoint: most extreme metal would sound f***ing ridiculous with clean vocals. the whole point is to sound alienating and disorienting. imagine how dumb Cannibal Corpse would sound with a Halford-esque screeching falsetto. For me, at least, it wouldn’t even have to be clean vocals. I love bands like Amon Amarth and November’s Doom, both of whom use guttural growling but are still perfectly understandable. But it takes away a lot of the enjoyment of the song when I have to look up the lyrics online in order to understand what the vocalist is saying. But then, I wanted to be a singer when I was a younger, so lyrics and vocals are the most important part of a song for me. How’s that for a hot take?
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Post by mrtuesday on Apr 24, 2023 7:51:42 GMT -5
"Music is just being made for Tik-Tok" is just the old "Music is just being made for Ringtones" argument from 20 years ago. It's not wrong, per se, but it'll pass. And 20 years before that is was "Music is just being made for TV/music videos" and about 30-40 years before that was "Music is just being made for radio". It's the same argument every time a new medium becomes popular.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Apr 24, 2023 10:05:12 GMT -5
I never hated boy bands even at the peak of N*SYNC mania. That level of harmonizing and performance takes a ton of talent and skill practice.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 24, 2023 11:04:47 GMT -5
Women make way better and more interesting country music than men these days. Like, not even close
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Post by BRV on Apr 24, 2023 13:07:45 GMT -5
Women make way better and more interesting country music than men these days. Like, not even close Let me preface this by saying I'm not a country music fan by any stretch of the imagination. But, since I started dating a country music fan several years ago, I've become more aware of the genre than ever before. And I totally agree with your take. Maybe five or so years ago, it seemed like every female country singer was just trying to be a carbon copy of Carrie Underwood, in both sound and look. There was no effort involved, it was easy-to-digest, lighthearted psuedo-pop songs by singers who could moonlight as castoffs from "The Voice" or "American Idol" that could cross over and play on mainstream radio at the drop of a needle. But, to give the genre credit, a lot has changed in the past few years. Now there's a lot more artistic merit and each voice sounds a little different and each story is a little different. I'm talking about people like Lainey Wilson, Ashley McBryde, Hailey Whitters, and even Elle King. Compare that to what is getting the most air time on country music for male singers these days. The era of bro country is on its death rattle, but in its place is basically two options: overly saccharine doe-eyed songs or "Morgan Wallen, or how much can you sound like Morgan Wallen?" There are a few lone voices out there making hits - Cody Johnson and Zach Bryan to name two - but it's hard to get excited when the rotation is Morgan Wallen, Hardy, and Bailey Zimmerman without a single note differentiating the three.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 24, 2023 13:16:40 GMT -5
"Music is just being made for Tik-Tok" is just the old "Music is just being made for Ringtones" argument from 20 years ago. It's not wrong, per se, but it'll pass. And 20 years before that is was "Music is just being made for TV/music videos" and about 30-40 years before that was "Music is just being made for radio". It's the same argument every time a new medium becomes popular. And every time, there's a bit of truth to it because... popular music as a business is targeted at young people, of course music that uses new media will do better. Some will be good, some not but that's the way of the world and always will be. Complaining just means you're not in that target market any more.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 24, 2023 15:40:32 GMT -5
I'm another one who doesn't really like the Death Grunting and Gargle vocals. It just sounds like someone groaning through bad constipation to me. I've been kinda worried about saying that I don't really like metal on here (though I like related stuff like Post-Rock, Djent, and some Prog as long as it's instrumental). Admittedly, I'm someone who worries a lot about what my tastes will make others think about me. Friendo, if anybody ever makes you feel unwelcome just because you have different tastes in music, they're an asshole and you're better off without them.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Apr 24, 2023 16:55:11 GMT -5
I prefer Nine Inch Nails version of Hurt over Johnny Cashes.
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Post by tirtefaa on Apr 24, 2023 17:14:11 GMT -5
Someone mentioned that The Smashing Pumpkins best album was Adore, and I'd say that it is a very underrated album, and probably neck and neck and neck for their best album, along with Siamese Dream, and also Mellon Collie and Infinite Sadness. 25 years later, I still can't make up my mind. Yes, Billy Corgan is a massive fool, but there was a point in time where he was making music that was absolutely outside of anything everyone else was doing, and decades later, it still stands alone in it's definitive sound.
While I very much enjoy Opiate, I really dislike Tool. You'll always get the "You just don't actually understand them" treatment from Tool fans, but we're talking about music here. I don't need a Rosetta Stone to "understand" what they're doing. Speaking of which, as a general whole...Tool fans might be the absolute worst band fanbase I have ever dealt with. There have been numerous shows that I've been to, where they openers are disrespected in some of the worst ways possible. At one show where Tomahawk opened for them, there was a "F****ts" chant started at them, plenty of middle fingers for no reason, and a couple people were even removed for throwing stuff or spitting onstage. It was really embarrassing.
David Lee Roth > Sammy Hagar....you might not think that's a hot take, but the amount of people who tell me that Hagar is better because he's a better singer...to me, that's not what I care for as far as Van Halen goes. Roth felt like a better embodiment of what the band is, and that isn't to say I like all their stuff, but most of it just works better with Roth in the lead.
Squeeze is genuinely one of the most creative bands that never made it super big. Most US fans will either know them for their hit Tempted, or their singles album 45s and Under...but I don't think they've made a bad album yet.
Despite being a famous band, I don't think that The Cars get enough credit. If there was any band that I felt helped segue us from the 70's to the 80's, it was them. That said, yes it's still absurd that You Might Think won the first MTV Video Music Award over Thriller.
Foo Fighters are the most middle of the road band ever. They're not bad. They're not good. They're just...there. They won't disappoint you, nor will they set your world on fire. They are the perfect band to open for someone else, just enough to get the crowd excited, but not to outdo the headliner.
Whenever people mention 'perfect albums' I don't think Pet Shop Boys album Actually gets any focus. Every song is a banger.
The Violent Femmes haven't been relevant for years, and are mostly known for their first album, but their following two albums Hallowed Ground and The Blind Leading the Naked are way more diverse and just better overall.
Coal Chamber is a guilty pleasure.
Black Sabbath's best riff comes from A National Acrobat, an often overlooked song on a somewhat overlooked album.
One thing I hear a lot is that Freddie Mercury had the best vocal range of any artist. I'd have to give it to Steve Perry, Mike Patton, Rob Halford, Ronnie James Dio, Bruce Dickinson or Chris Cornell. I'd even throw Roy Orbison in there, despite not showing as much in the power range (not that he needed to).
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Post by poodoojenkins on Apr 24, 2023 23:20:11 GMT -5
Foo Fighters are the most middle of the road band ever. They're not bad. They're not good. They're just...there. They won't disappoint you, nor will they set your world on fire. They are the perfect band to open for someone else, just enough to get the crowd excited, but not to outdo the headliner. That last sentence is probably the strangest thing that could possibly be said about a band that sold out multiple nights at Wembley lol.
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Post by agent817 on Apr 24, 2023 23:32:42 GMT -5
I remember I used to hate on southern rap and crunk music back in the 2000s. In hindsight, a lot of the genre actually kind of holds up. Maybe it's because I got older, but some of that stuff is good for a party atmosphere, like Lil' Jon and Eastside Boyz or the Ying Yang Twins.
Also, I'm not really a big fan of Mumble rap, but I don't go on the internet and hate on it like a lot of people do. If some people like some of those artists, more power to them. Besides, there are some exceptions that I can make in terms of today's rappers.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 24, 2023 23:56:16 GMT -5
Like, you're not going to listen to crunk for great lyrical content that makes you think or anything. But it gets you pumped up.
That said, when millennials and elder Gen Z'ers become old enough to have kids that get married, we're going to have a lot of explaining to do when the DJ plays Lil Jon as a beloved oldies song for the parents. "Dad, what's skeet skeet skeet?"
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Post by tirtefaa on Apr 25, 2023 0:44:06 GMT -5
That last sentence is probably the strangest thing that could possibly be said about a band that sold out multiple nights at Wembley lol. I mean, there's nothing wrong with them, and it's good that they are able to do so, but from how I've always viewed them, they're just very middle of the road in every way. I guess my one gripe against them is the fact that they named themselves the Foo Fighters, which sounds awfully close to an action figure series from the late 80's called the Food Fighters. In my early days of the internet, I had a very difficult time trying to locate information about these toys from my childhood, instead getting a bunch of Geocities of Dave Grohl scans from magazines.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 25, 2023 1:17:04 GMT -5
I'm another one who doesn't really like the Death Grunting and Gargle vocals. It just sounds like someone groaning through bad constipation to me. I've been kinda worried about saying that I don't really like metal on here (though I like related stuff like Post-Rock, Djent, and some Prog as long as it's instrumental). Admittedly, I'm someone who worries a lot about what my tastes will make others think about me. Friendo, if anybody ever makes you feel unwelcome just because you have different tastes in music, they're an asshole and you're better off without them. I am reminded of Christina Ricci once saying in an interview that she only listens to music on headphones and refuses to tell people what she is listening to, as she feels that judgments over musical taste can be harsher than judgments over almost anything else. Hyperbolic, sure, but I get where she is coming from.
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