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Post by Limity (BLM) on Apr 25, 2023 4:02:36 GMT -5
I'll also echo the sentiment about preferring understandable vocals in metal. I've had more than one song where I was really getting into the intro and then it completely lost me when the vocals started. I'm not well versed enough in metal subgenres to know what this would fall under, but it always feels like a huge disconnect to me when you have an impressive riff and melody during the instrumental breaks which completely falls apart for the vocals when it's like the lead singer can't actually carry a melody at the scream they're trying to sustain, and it ends up coming off like an unintentional screaming rap break. couterpoint: most extreme metal would sound f***ing ridiculous with clean vocals. the whole point is to sound alienating and disorienting. imagine how dumb Cannibal Corpse would sound with a Halford-esque screeching falsetto. Point counterpoint! Iced Earth with Jon Schaeffer as the vocalist was able to pull this off. Listen to Jack, from their album Horror Show. However that's also the only instance I can think of, so even this exception goes to prove the rule.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 25, 2023 6:02:50 GMT -5
couterpoint: most extreme metal would sound f***ing ridiculous with clean vocals. the whole point is to sound alienating and disorienting. imagine how dumb Cannibal Corpse would sound with a Halford-esque screeching falsetto. Point counterpoint! Iced Earth with Jon Schaeffer as the vocalist was able to pull this off. Listen to Jack, from their album Horror Show. However that's also the only instance I can think of, so even this exception goes to prove the rule. further counterpoint: Iced Earth is obviously not the kind of band I'm talking about.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 25, 2023 6:34:55 GMT -5
Austin Powers has one of the best movie soundtracks of all time. So much of the movie's plot and setting is owed to it's excellent choice and arrangement of songs.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 25, 2023 7:50:19 GMT -5
Austin Powers has one of the best movie soundtracks of all time. So much of the movie's plot is setting is owed to it's excellent choice and arrangement of songs. BBC is an absolute banger.
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Post by Derk! on Apr 25, 2023 11:11:47 GMT -5
As I'm pushing 40, I've reached the point where I don't care what anyone else listens to. You like what you like.
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Post by poodoojenkins on Apr 25, 2023 11:27:02 GMT -5
As I'm pushing 40, I've reached the point where I don't care what anyone else listens to. You like what you like. I feel you on this. It's actually weird to me to think about how up in arms I could get about people's musical taste even just 10 years ago. Now, the only time I really judge people based on their taste in music is if there is something fundamentally wrong with an individual artist. Like, if someone starts declaring their love for say, R. Kelly or Kid Rock, then that's just someone I don't need to associate with.
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Post by elektro on Apr 25, 2023 11:34:48 GMT -5
Want a hot take?
I think Adele is one of the most boring, overrated singers of the 21st century so far. Most of her music sounds the same, and the way she sings the last few lines of the chorus to "Someone Like You" are ear-gratingly awful.
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Post by schma on Apr 25, 2023 11:53:15 GMT -5
I'll also echo the sentiment about preferring understandable vocals in metal. I've had more than one song where I was really getting into the intro and then it completely lost me when the vocals started. I'm not well versed enough in metal subgenres to know what this would fall under, but it always feels like a huge disconnect to me when you have an impressive riff and melody during the instrumental breaks which completely falls apart for the vocals when it's like the lead singer can't actually carry a melody at the scream they're trying to sustain, and it ends up coming off like an unintentional screaming rap break. couterpoint: most extreme metal would sound f***ing ridiculous with clean vocals. the whole point is to sound alienating and disorienting. imagine how dumb Cannibal Corpse would sound with a Halford-esque screeching falsetto. I guess it depends on what you want out of your metal. I'm not listening to stuff with the goal of feeling alienated or disoriented. I more just love the rush of a banger song that gets the blood pumping, especially if the lyrics are great. There are times though where I'm listening to the intro of a song and getting completely into it and then the growling starts and I immediately lose interest. It's just my personal taste though.
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Post by salz4life on Apr 25, 2023 12:20:09 GMT -5
As I'm pushing 40, I've reached the point where I don't care what anyone else listens to. You like what you like. I'm 45 and feel the exact same way. I still listen to 90s music almost exclusively. I was more of a hip hop fan back then, but I find myself listening to the other genres (along with the hip hop) and liking them a lot more than I did back then. I'll even find a country song here and there that I absolutely detested back then that I like now... not often, but occasionally. LOL
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Post by poodoojenkins on Apr 25, 2023 13:57:14 GMT -5
Want a hot take? I think Adele is one of the most boring, overrated singers of the 21st century so far. Most of her music sounds the same, and the way she sings the last few lines of the chorus to "Someone Like You" are ear-gratingly awful. I think Adele is a fine singer, but I absolutely agree with you about her music. With the exception of like, 2 songs, every single one of her songs sounds like another section of one big, long song. When I worked at Starbucks, her "21" album had just come out, and Starbucks had a big deal with her to both sell the album in stores and...play it CONSTANTLY. Seriously, they would play the album in it's entirety, then play 45 minutes of regular music, and then the god damn Adele album would play again. I would hear the WHOLE. f***ING. ALBUM. 3 or 4 times every shift for like, a month. It was awful.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Apr 25, 2023 14:02:54 GMT -5
Point counterpoint! Iced Earth with Jon Schaeffer as the vocalist was able to pull this off. Listen to Jack, from their album Horror Show. However that's also the only instance I can think of, so even this exception goes to prove the rule. further counterpoint: Iced Earth is obviously not the kind of band I'm talking about. Damn, that is nothing like Iced Earth. Metal has gone in some strange directions these days.
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Post by karl100589 on Apr 25, 2023 14:03:36 GMT -5
Want a hot take? I think Adele is one of the most boring, overrated singers of the 21st century so far. Most of her music sounds the same, and the way she sings the last few lines of the chorus to "Someone Like You" are ear-gratingly awful.
She's not bad, but she doesn't anything different to what Alison Moyet did in the 80s. And IMO Alison did it WAY better.
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Post by agent817 on Apr 25, 2023 22:02:06 GMT -5
Here is something different. I really don't like the meme on social media about how in 1999 before iTunes and Spotify existed and people spent money on a CD and "find out it sucks."
Okay, maybe I've just been a connoisseur of listening to full albums for many years, and I get where this is coming from. Some of the time you might get an album with only a handful of good songs. However, I have learned that a lot of the time when listening to other songs on an album, you might find some gems on there that didn't become singles. Because really, when it came down to "Greatest Hits" albums and such, more often than not, they're just a collection of singles.
Also, I remember hearing 30-second samples on Amazon back in the day to determine if I wanted the album. The same could be said about listening to some songs at the stores themselves.
But really, I just like collecting albums and actually listening to the whole thing. Sure, there may be some songs that weren't good, but other times you'll find a song that didn't get radio airplay.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 25, 2023 23:25:32 GMT -5
Here's one, I actually find listening to albums kind of embarrassing? Like personally, I don't judge other people for it or anything, but to me outside of ones I used to listen to like 20 years ago when it was the only available option to me I just find the idea really cringy and awkward and it's something I very much do not do, it's just kind of a level of time-investment and focus on one given artist that I just feel awkward about doing. Probably not helped by how I really don't know what separates a good album from a bad one beyond just the quality of the songs and don't really care at all about cohesion or structure or anything past that.
It's probably coming from the same part of me that'd rather spend an hour trying to find something to watch than risk spending half an hour watching something I end up not liking.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Apr 26, 2023 2:53:25 GMT -5
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Post by Sam Punk on Apr 26, 2023 3:43:24 GMT -5
Steve perry is a pretty good singer.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Apr 26, 2023 5:52:16 GMT -5
Austin Powers has one of the best movie soundtracks of all time. So much of the movie's plot is setting is owed to it's excellent choice and arrangement of songs. BBC is an absolute banger. This was Matthew Sweet and Susanna Hoffs (amongst others), wasn't it? Although I don't know if they wrote it. Can't go wrong there.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2023 10:33:25 GMT -5
I also just want to agree that saying Kanye never had anything just because he's gone off the deep end now is just measurably incorrect. Once upon a time he had relatively progressive views for a rapper - like stating he had no issue with homosexuality, long before this was a mainstream viewpoint. Kim Kardashian credited him once with helping her accept Caitlyn's transition. But even ignoring this, the guy has produced a library of critically acclaimed work, which at the very least mainstreamed a lot of styles that then dominated hip hop afterwards. By all means if you always hated his music - and as a rapper he was always at best sub par, technical skill wise - then go on hating it, but acting like it wasn't important or influential is just disingenuous. Disturbed's cover of The Sound of Silence sucks ass. Is this that hot of a take? I thought I was in the minority for liking it, although I freely admit I think it sucks. I understand why they get made fun of but KoRn is actually a pretty atmospheric metal band when they want to be, and Limp Bizkit (unless you can’t handle dumb lyrics here and there) are a perfectly solid band that got a bad rep from the fallout of a poorly managed Woodstock show and were unfairly a designated target for those late 90s trends. Let's be honest, this is Fred's fault. Wes is clearly a very talented guitarist, their drummer and bassist are both pretty above average as well. Nobody gives a shit about DJ Lethal at all. But Fred was the frontman, vocalist, lyricist and public face of the group, and made an ass of himself at every opportunity. If they'd had a different lead singer, they would have been much more respected, even then. It's possible for me to not like the current creative direction of Sam Smith without being a bigot. I'm so glad they're living their best life, but I've never liked a single note of their music either. "Rock-n-Roll" is not dead. You gotta go out and find it. This is true of every genre ever. The majority of folks saying shit like this actually make zero effort at all to find new music, it's always the children who are wrong. Lady Gaga and Madonna are honestly not very similar artists, and people, Madonna included, trying to force a comparison were doing just that, forcing it. If I am being honest, I'd find a lot of Lady Gaga more to my taste, but again, it's apples and oranges. Not that I am comparing these two to them, but it's like when people tried to make Christina Aguilera vs Britney Spears a thing despite their music being considerably different. Outside of the strong similarity between 'Express Yourself' and 'Born this Way,' I agree with you. However here comes my first legit hot take of the thread - Lady Gaga's music, while good, has never been even a quarter as interesting as her visual style. She writes good pop music, that's fine, nothing wrong with that, but her visual style is clearly so art-influenced and layered and out there, while her music is just... very good pop music. Tyler the Creator low key became one of the best rappers out there over time, but he wound up overshadowing himself through those controversial lyrics on Goblin and the whole debate on his sexual orientation (which shouldn’t matter anyway but you know how it is). He brought that debate on himself by flooding his music with the f-slur. Oh here's one for me: Jane's Addiction is awful. Like, immediate "change the station" reaction as soon as I hear Perry Farrell's whiny vocals. That said, I also really like Dave Navarro as a guitarist. So go figure. I have tried so hard with Jane's Addiction. I like one song of theirs, 'Just Because,' which is evidently the kicking off for their sellout oldies phases. I've listened to several of their albums in full, and a greatest hits collection, and while I kind of admire that it doesn't even sound like the work of the same band from one song to another, I don't get why you would choose to listen to basically any of it. Jay Z is an excellent businessman but only a decent rapper…but history is written by the victor. I saw some footage of pre-fame Jay and he's got a lot more skill than I realised he has - but the rule for some rappers is basically Get Rich and Stop Trying. Obviously technical skill isn't the only way to measure a good rapper, but there are a few other rappers where you look at their early stuff and can feel the bite and the hunger and the pushing forward for something new, then they get signed and their personality is the selling point and so they just don't need to try any more. I'm not sure 50 Cent kept making effort even as far as his second album. But then, I'll add to that another take of mine - I don't like TPAB by Kendrick. Comfortably my least favourite of his studio records until Mr Morale came out, but on a related note - as a white guy, I fundamentally think I am ill-equipped to understand what makes a good or bad rap song or album or rapper anyway. Fellow music nerds, this: Admittedly, I'm someone who worries a lot about what my tastes will make others think about me. Is collectively, our fault as a community. Want a hot take? I think Adele is one of the most boring, overrated singers of the 21st century so far. Most of her music sounds the same, and the way she sings the last few lines of the chorus to "Someone Like You" are ear-gratingly awful. God I hate Adele's music. Literally all of it that I have heard. I have ex-wife associations with 'Someone Like You' as it is, but I never liked any of her other songs either, and I personally dislike her for basically waiting until she got rich enough to be skinny easily and then just got it done, having previously been a trailblazer for fat folks. Here is something different. I really don't like the meme on social media about how in 1999 before iTunes and Spotify existed and people spent money on a CD and "find out it sucks." Okay, maybe I've just been a connoisseur of listening to full albums for many years, and I get where this is coming from. Some of the time you might get an album with only a handful of good songs. However, I have learned that a lot of the time when listening to other songs on an album, you might find some gems on there that didn't become singles. Because really, when it came down to "Greatest Hits" albums and such, more often than not, they're just a collection of singles. Also, I remember hearing 30-second samples on Amazon back in the day to determine if I wanted the album. The same could be said about listening to some songs at the stores themselves. But really, I just like collecting albums and actually listening to the whole thing. Sure, there may be some songs that weren't good, but other times you'll find a song that didn't get radio airplay. Yeah, I don't get this one either. A lot of people consider it a waste of time to have listened to an album that sucks, but it's part of the music fan adventure. For me I'm glad to have experienced it unless it's properly objectionable, and I quite commonly find one-off songs that I never would have found otherwise by listening to a full album by a one-hit-wonder. Anyway, my first hot take in this thread that isn't a direct reply to someone else - I think that being able to record drums well eluded almost every metal producer of the 1980s. Unless you were a band that weren't that heavy (like Maiden), I think the drum sound cuts the knees out from a huge number of allegedly classic metal albums, including by Metallica and Pantera. Although Reign in Blood sounds great, so not sure what that's about. I mean, maybe there is budget limitations to be considered here, but I'm pretty sure Metallica had a decent budget by the time of Master of Puppets. Although on a related note, I don't think Lars Ulrich knows what good drums sound like. And even with the budget in mind, I legit think that like Glyn Johns got a heavier drum sound for The Who in the 70s than most 80s metal bands got. I can only assume the tech had improved since then??? Related: Almost all of the music I like from the 80s is stuff that wasn't cutting edge at the time. REM, The Smiths, basically anyone that wasn't using the latest synths and massively gated snares. As a result of this, I find the majority of Prince's peak period unlistenable. And while we're talking about metal, I can't stand power metal. I appreciate what they're going for, it's fine, but it's got this hyper-polished, mega technical-focused ethos that is basically the antithesis of what I look for in heavy music. I want something that's got some grit to it, even if the vocals are only melodic throughout. Also, speaking as a guitarist, the majority of guitar solos are pointless wanking, and this is especially true in metal where there's a land-speed record being gone for by half the guys playing the solos. It's totally legit to dislike dirty vocals, growls, etc. however I'd be curious how much of the rich variety within these vocal styles have been sampled by a lot of folks who reject it. There is a world of difference between a black metal vocalist and Chester Bennington, or Chester and Henry Rollins, or Rollins and like any emo screamer ever.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 26, 2023 11:08:37 GMT -5
Fellow music nerds, this: Admittedly, I'm someone who worries a lot about what my tastes will make others think about me. Is collectively, our fault as a community. I promise you, it's not. It runs a little bit deeper than that, on the social end of things.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2023 11:32:48 GMT -5
Fellow music nerds, this: Is collectively, our fault as a community. I promise you, it's not. It runs a little bit deeper than that, on the social end of things. I don't mean this forum specifically. I mean worldwide. All of us will have contributed to this somehow at some point
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