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Post by poodoojenkins on Apr 26, 2023 11:51:31 GMT -5
It's amazing to me how many people just don't seem to actually read what I say about Kanye.
Never once said his work wasn't good or influential, which is all anyone seems to hear when you criticize him.
What I said is that he isn't a genius or an innovator. And he isn't. If he was, someone would be able to point to something he actually innovated, not just go "Well, he made some really popular records."
Success does NOT make you a genius or innovator. If that was the case, we would have to count Carly Rae Jepsen and Taco as geniuses and innovators. Hell, Creed has sold more than 53 MILLION albums, almost double what Kanye has sold, and nobody had ever tried to tag them as geniuses or innovators.
The cult around this guy is so strange.
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Post by Flo360 on Apr 26, 2023 12:53:13 GMT -5
Aha's follow up Single is better than 'Take on me'. (As is the Video)
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Apr 26, 2023 15:44:36 GMT -5
Want a hot take? I think Adele is one of the most boring, overrated singers of the 21st century so far. Most of her music sounds the same, and the way she sings the last few lines of the chorus to "Someone Like You" are ear-gratingly awful. I agree, when she sings she sounds like she's whining.
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Post by KingPooper on Apr 26, 2023 16:36:39 GMT -5
This image sums up most music hot takes. ![](https://i.ibb.co/5vHYrgF/GRANDPA.jpg) Add on top of that getting older at the same time as how consuming media has changed. I see someone headlining a festival and I have no idea who they are. Also I’ve heard of Frank Ocean but never thought he was as big of a performer that cause that much of a commotion. I thought I was with it.
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Post by KingPooper on Apr 26, 2023 16:37:47 GMT -5
Want a hot take? I think Adele is one of the most boring, overrated singers of the 21st century so far. Most of her music sounds the same, and the way she sings the last few lines of the chorus to "Someone Like You" are ear-gratingly awful. I agree, when she sings she sounds like she's whining. He dumped you... get over it. Move on.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 26, 2023 19:54:47 GMT -5
It's totally legit to dislike dirty vocals, growls, etc. however I'd be curious how much of the rich variety within these vocal styles have been sampled by a lot of folks who reject it. There is a world of difference between a black metal vocalist and Chester Bennington, or Chester and Henry Rollins, or Rollins and like any emo screamer ever. If the first death metal vocalist I ever heard was Chris Barnes I probably wouldn't like it either. and while we're on the subject of hot takes, dude even sucked when he was in Cannibal Corpse and got carried by a great backing band and edgelord lyrics.
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Post by Flo360 on Apr 27, 2023 5:39:59 GMT -5
On the Subject of Nightwish. Once you reached the third vocalist you had to hire, maybe the Women aren't the f***ing problem here.
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Post by Derk! on Apr 27, 2023 5:57:28 GMT -5
It's totally legit to dislike dirty vocals, growls, etc. however I'd be curious how much of the rich variety within these vocal styles have been sampled by a lot of folks who reject it. There is a world of difference between a black metal vocalist and Chester Bennington, or Chester and Henry Rollins, or Rollins and like any emo screamer ever. If the first death metal vocalist I ever heard was Chris Barnes I probably wouldn't like it either. and while we're on the subject of hot takes, dude even sucked when he was in Cannibal Corpse and got carried by a great backing band and edgelord lyrics. I didn't mind Barnes vox on those first 4 albums. They were ugly and fit the music perfectly. That said, Corpsegrinder is superior to him in every way. And after reading various interviews from the guy, Barnes has reached "old man yells at cloud" status.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 27, 2023 6:00:50 GMT -5
There aren't enough non-country songs about fishing.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 27, 2023 6:03:01 GMT -5
If the first death metal vocalist I ever heard was Chris Barnes I probably wouldn't like it either. and while we're on the subject of hot takes, dude even sucked when he was in Cannibal Corpse and got carried by a great backing band and edgelord lyrics. I didn't mind Barnes vox on those first 4 albums. They were ugly and fit the music perfectly. That said, Corpsegrinder is superior to him in every way. And after reading various interviews from the guy, Barnes has reached "old man yells at cloud" status. to say nothing of how badly his voice has deteriorated
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 27, 2023 6:04:01 GMT -5
On the Subject of Nightwish. Once you reached the third vocalist you had to hire, maybe the Women aren't the f***ing problem here. I've been saying that for years. I figure basically everything Tuomas said about Tarja is at best a massive distortion and at worst a total lie.
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Post by crankypants on Apr 27, 2023 6:14:10 GMT -5
People who listen to Michael Jackson but shun the likes of Gary Glitter, Jimmy Saville and Bill Cosby are hypocrites who are willing to turn a blind eye to the obvious because they have an attachment to his music.
Lulu is Lou Reed's best album. Lulu is Metallica's best album.
If you look beyond the offensive parts of his music and persona, GG Allin was actually a talented songwriter and singer. But yeah... Kinda hard to ignore the other stuff.
Bob Dylan is a very underrated singer and live performer.
Dismissing an artist because they don't write their own songs is as ridiculous as dismissing an actor for not writing their own scripts.
Sex Pistols were better than the Clash. The Jam were better than both of them.
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Post by crankypants on Apr 27, 2023 6:17:00 GMT -5
There aren't enough non-country songs about fishing. I misread "fishing" as "fisting". The statement is still true.
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Post by The Barber on Apr 27, 2023 6:59:44 GMT -5
Dismissing an artist because they don't write their own songs is as ridiculous as dismissing an actor for not writing their own scripts. ![](https://i.imgur.com/K2JivIn.gif)
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Post by The Barber on Apr 27, 2023 7:03:39 GMT -5
"...but on a related note - as a white guy, I fundamentally think I am ill-equipped to understand what makes a good or bad rap song or album or rapper anyway." To "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay : I've always hated the stereotype that white people can't accurately judge rap music because of their skin color. Yes, you can.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 27, 2023 7:19:14 GMT -5
Dismissing an artist because they don't write their own songs is as ridiculous as dismissing an actor for not writing their own scripts. ![](https://i.imgur.com/K2JivIn.gif) Was I quoted in this on purpose? I don't know what I said that relates
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Apr 27, 2023 8:24:11 GMT -5
Morrissey was always shit.
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Post by Flo360 on Apr 27, 2023 8:39:50 GMT -5
On the Subject of Nightwish. Once you reached the third vocalist you had to hire, maybe the Women aren't the f***ing problem here. I've been saying that for years. I figure basically everything Tuomas said about Tarja is at best a massive distortion and at worst a total lie. The way they fired her should have killed that f***ing band dead! (Didn't they record the f***ing Show after which they told her to leave?) EDIT: He fired the second Vocalist for being pregnant? How the hell is this Band still a thing?
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Apr 27, 2023 13:24:34 GMT -5
Black Sabbath without Ozzy is much, much better than with. I'll even go as far and say he's the wortst singer they ever had, Dave Walker, David Donato and Jeff Fenholt included.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 27, 2023 14:14:33 GMT -5
IMO, Kanye West was a lot like Dr. Dre where his strength was as a producer more than an MC. Like, you look at some of the albums and songs he has a production credit on and there's some really, really good stuff there.
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