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Post by agent817 on Apr 24, 2023 9:56:29 GMT -5
Forgive me if a thread on this has been done but I wanted to discuss this.
I know there are people who liked it when AEW did this because it gave them a more legit sports feel, as did the win/loss records thing. Personally, I didn't like it because it felt like TK didn't like the idea of stripping the belts off of people. Now I could understand when it was Sammy Guevara and Cody Rhodes early last year, but then when it got to CM Punk and Jon Moxley, as well as Thunder Rosa and Toni Storm, I was like "you're really doing that? Come on." Because if they kept up with the interim champion BS, then Thunder Rosa would still be technically the champion now and she has yet to make her return.
What did you think of this?
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Post by CeilingFan on Apr 24, 2023 10:34:25 GMT -5
Interim Champions are a bad idea. Either you're the champ or you're not.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 24, 2023 10:34:53 GMT -5
It has a lot of cons and pros.
But I feel like a good part of con's comes from wrestling being a lot based around presentation.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 24, 2023 10:38:29 GMT -5
I think it makes sense if the champion is going to be out for a relatively short period of time and you have a match already advertised coming up that you want to deliver on (like the Sammy/Cody thing). But that requires you to know the champion will be back soon which seemed like a grey area with Punk and especially with Thunder Rosa. In those cases where it could be a 6 week injury or 6 month injury, probably just strip them. But if someone is going to be out with an injury that you know will heal up quick, I'm fine with it.
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Post by XIII on Apr 24, 2023 10:38:48 GMT -5
Interim champions are dumb. Once you can’t defend the title for whatever reason you’re no longer the champion. If you come back then for sure you’re the number one contender but you’re not the champ. It’s stupid in MMA and just as stupid in pro wrestling.
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Post by KME on Apr 24, 2023 10:57:10 GMT -5
I don't like the idea at all really, I get what they're trying to do, make it feel more like a sport and that's fine, but it's not to my taste.You could tell it particularly irked people like Mox too.
I will say though that their horrific luck with injuries last year made it so much worse, when I was watching the shows back after I first started watching there's just the word interim everywhere due to both the men's and women's world titles getting the treatment, the whole thing must have worn thin very quickly.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 24, 2023 10:58:17 GMT -5
Interim champions are fine, IMO, but there needs to be a set limit for it. If a champ isn't back within 60/90 days then the title gets stripped. Any injury that is likely to be longer than this immediately gets stripped. The Thunder Rosa situation was untenable and should have been sorted out earlier.
Personally, I think AEW should just enforce the old-fashioned rule that a title has to be defended every X number of days. Don't do an interim champion at all and just give the actual champ some grace on getting fit again. It doesn't have to be 30 like it was in the WWF/E, but put something in place. A rule like that would become a story beat with a champ like MJF as well.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 24, 2023 11:02:06 GMT -5
I think it's fine, but that it mostly had the problem of us having a few of them in short order due to bad luck, and that some people got really sick of it oddly fast.
I do think that there's something to be said for Thunder Rosa saying she'd wanted to relinquish the title earlier but that TK insisted on keeping it on her. I am fine not stripping the title immediately, but that they should probably wait until a situation can be ascertained and then decide. Like, if the champ is going to be out like 2 months, you probably don't need to strip them, but when it's longer, it should probably be vacated. Beyond that, if the champion themself wants to relinquish the title, they should probably get to do so.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 24, 2023 11:03:51 GMT -5
I think it worked fine with Mox and Punk, but with the women's title and the TNT title it didn't make sense
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 24, 2023 11:10:18 GMT -5
I get it but I hate it. Either don't have the champion defend it at all if its short-term or strip them of it. You can even then use the "I never lost" as a feud when they return.
The interim thing is one of several ways Toni Storm has been dealt a bad hand in AEW.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 24, 2023 11:17:35 GMT -5
I think it worked fine with Mox and Punk, but with the women's title and the TNT title it didn't make sense I feel like the TNT title one was them being hasty, but the payoff made it worthwhile.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 24, 2023 11:37:28 GMT -5
I think it worked fine with Mox and Punk, but with the women's title and the TNT title it didn't make sense I feel like the TNT title one was them being hasty, but the payoff made it worthwhile. Oh yeah the payoff was great and I always felt it was more to have that ladder match which fairplay.
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Post by Facetious on Apr 24, 2023 11:39:10 GMT -5
I liked the concept, but it proved to be a failure of a concept that caused a ton of issues. I really hope to never see it used again
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Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 24, 2023 11:44:49 GMT -5
I think the interm championship thing works if it’s a really long reign like Roman’s but if they just won the title (like Punk) then vacate it
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 24, 2023 11:53:20 GMT -5
I liked it but I get why people don't. Like it better if you know the person will be out for awhile but don't want to strip them at the time. Also liked retroactively saying the interim champs are officially recognized. Just a preference thing but I get it, especially with the fears/annoyance that someone could lose to the returning champ and not be recognized as champ.
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Post by Fade on Apr 24, 2023 12:14:11 GMT -5
I thought it was horse shit. Kinda funny to see a lot of the talent agreed.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 24, 2023 12:23:48 GMT -5
Interim titles in wrestling just make no sense to me. You write the entire script. If someone has a little niggling injury that might keep them from wrestling for a month or so then just don't book a world title match that month. Or if you really want a world title match on a particular show but the champ is hurt then just strip them. It's not rocket science.
Wrestlers obviously don't like it either. Mox and Toni clearly weren't happy being "interim" champs. And Punk and Rosa both asked Tony to just strip them of their titles when they got hurt but Tony insisted on keeping it on them and in Rosa's case she got shit on for months even though it wasn't her call.
I feel like it would also make wrestlers try to rush their returns before they're ready. Wrestlers already have the mentality to do that anyway but knowing you're a champion I can see feeling added pressure like I gotta get back as soon as I can. You kind of saw it with Punk. Apparently he wasn't even medically cleared yet when that Moxley Dynamite match was announced. Maybe he was always going to get injured at All Out anyway but surely trying to rush back as quickly as possible from his previous injury wouldn't have helped.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 24, 2023 12:27:12 GMT -5
It doesn’t help when you have wrestlers themselves, like Moxley and Toni Storm, openly crapping on your concept.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 24, 2023 12:39:52 GMT -5
It's one of those things that makes total sense in a real sport but in the context of wrestling is just needlessly convoluted and stupid and handcuffing.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 24, 2023 13:29:34 GMT -5
It's something that is shit but somewhat unavoidable in real sports, so for a scripted show to adopt it makes no sense. Same with the rankings, in a way.
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