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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 22, 2023 18:38:34 GMT -5
Don’t know how accurate this source is, but good news if true: linkDoesn't change the fact it is what it is, and why it was brought back. These are just major booking issues the company refuses to address
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 22, 2023 18:39:20 GMT -5
The fact the wrestlers themselves have been clowning this title is pretty incredible tbh, like AJ's fighting for the damn thing and he's calling it second rate, it's like a bad comedy
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Post by schma on May 22, 2023 19:05:45 GMT -5
Yeah, they can attach whatever lineage they want to it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a consolation prize.
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Post by Starshine on May 22, 2023 19:28:03 GMT -5
Amazing AJ finally said something intelligent in an interview and it had to be that. Maybe 'Stopped Clock' can be his new gimmick.
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Post by eJm on May 23, 2023 3:44:30 GMT -5
Yeah, they can attach whatever lineage they want to it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a consolation prize. Yeah, it might as well share the lineage of the original WCW world title made when Ric Flair ran off to WWF and didn’t give the belt back. It doesn’t matter. It’s still the World Goober title for the newly established Goober division.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 23, 2023 3:49:52 GMT -5
Yeah, they can attach whatever lineage they want to it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a consolation prize. Yeah, it might as well share the lineage of the original WCW world title made when Ric Flair ran off to WWF and didn’t give the belt back. It doesn’t matter. It’s still the World Goober title for the newly established Goober division. It's just too glaring to overlook it. I like the design, I would actually prefer this to usurp the Universal Title, but the fact is, it's a third world title that simply exists because WWE doesn't want to take the belt off Roman, and won't take the belt off Roman. A Roman who is now becoming a part-time attraction, on top of never losing, let alone using either title It's a big fat shiny gold spotlight from space over how dire this shit has been, and how much worse Cody losing at Mania was for this to be fallout from it all. They'd seriously rather make a THIRD WORLD TITLE belt, than have Roman lose when he was absolutely ready to lose... it's just awful. And idk how this makes people think Cody somehow turns it all around and wins at Summerslam... doesn't exactly strike me that he's gonna lose this thing any time soon... considering they had to make another world title just to pretend things are normal lol
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 23, 2023 4:06:01 GMT -5
Yeah, it might as well share the lineage of the original WCW world title made when Ric Flair ran off to WWF and didn’t give the belt back. It doesn’t matter. It’s still the World Goober title for the newly established Goober division. It's just too glaring to overlook it. I like the design, I would actually prefer this to usurp the Universal Title, but the fact is, it's a third world title that simply exists because WWE doesn't want to take the belt off Roman, and won't take the belt off Roman. A Roman who is now becoming a part-time attraction, on top of never losing, let alone using either title It's a big fat shiny gold spotlight from space over how dire this shit has been, and how much worse Cody losing at Mania was for this to be fallout from it all. They'd seriously rather make a THIRD WORLD TITLE belt, than have Roman lose when he was absolutely ready to lose... it's just awful. And idk how this makes people think Cody somehow turns it all around and wins at Summerslam... doesn't exactly strike me that he's gonna lose this thing any time soon... considering they had to make another world title just to pretend things are normal lol and again it's not like they didn't have an out if they wanted to keep Roman as the 1000 day champion... or 3 years champion... or we broke another not really record record champion... have him lose the WWE title. That's it... His actual record is with the Universal Which doesn't have any actual historical records to break but he's nowhere close any of the WWE ones... but again the only one that really matters is Bruno's and that's a) not happening and B) People weren't comparing current guys to guys like Bruno in the first place. If you're worried that your records are old and it makes the new guys look bad... it's entirely because the WWE focused solely on legends for like 10 years... no one was comparing Cena's success against Hogan's... or Austin and Rock to Bruno... they just were with the current guys (maybe slightly compared to the generation before). But on top of that... everyone knows that it's bullshit... holding a title for a really long time is not really all that impressive...
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Post by eJm on May 23, 2023 4:08:20 GMT -5
On top of that, I’ll say again, you’re expecting me to believe that a management team consisting of a guy who, at the start of this century, made people’s lives a living hell and manipulated his way to the top (all in kayfabe, not acknowledging anything else with this) and spent a whole year telling Daniel Bryan was a B Plus player to the point where he accused him of ref tampering to not have him have the title, would let Roman Reigns just…not show up?
Like, HHH went to the press conference minutes after WrestleMania ended and instead of talking about how Roman had help to retain the title, tried to defend himself as a booker. No, you tool, we just want a little bit of accountability in kayfabe instead of you basically waving the white flag and making a new belt for no real reason. Either strip Roman of the WWE title, the one without the record, or tell the dude to come to work more often or else both belts will be stripped. Have some backbone.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 23, 2023 8:48:07 GMT -5
Yeah, it might as well share the lineage of the original WCW world title made when Ric Flair ran off to WWF and didn’t give the belt back. It doesn’t matter. It’s still the World Goober title for the newly established Goober division. It's just too glaring to overlook it. I like the design, I would actually prefer this to usurp the Universal Title, but the fact is, it's a third world title that simply exists because WWE doesn't want to take the belt off Roman, and won't take the belt off Roman. A Roman who is now becoming a part-time attraction, on top of never losing, let alone using either title It's a big fat shiny gold spotlight from space over how dire this shit has been, and how much worse Cody losing at Mania was for this to be fallout from it all. They'd seriously rather make a THIRD WORLD TITLE belt, than have Roman lose when he was absolutely ready to lose... it's just awful. And idk how this makes people think Cody somehow turns it all around and wins at Summerslam... doesn't exactly strike me that he's gonna lose this thing any time soon... considering they had to make another world title just to pretend things are normal lol I honestly think that despite the promo announcing the title, this title will get over pretty big. They’ve had two world champions for eons, and so they’ll have that again with one on each show. We all know Roman having two belts is only temporary because of the Universal lineage having his current modern era record.
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Post by BRV on May 23, 2023 9:21:47 GMT -5
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Post by Fade on May 23, 2023 10:52:26 GMT -5
I love AJ cause he has this tendency at times to just spit the stone cold truth, almost hilariously bluntly. I don’t remember what his son asked him once while gaming, but AJ just responded cold with a “duh you dumb bitch”-like delivery Lmao
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 23, 2023 11:31:30 GMT -5
They should have named it Schrödinger's title because I have a feeling it's going to somehow manage to matter and not matter simultaneously. Like the people being the loudest about how it's just a consolation prize and they don't care about it will somehow also be the loudest the first time the result of a title match doesn't go the way they want.
I’m too young to specifically remember but I’m pretty sure the IWC reaction to the new HHH world title in 2002 was like this title has no prestige, doesn’t matter etc. Then the first PPV match for the title happened and people were livid at RVD losing so seemingly the title did in fact matter otherwise I don’t get why anyone would care. Then a couple months later MSG gave HBK a big emotional reaction for winning it (that other guy at Wrestlemania 20 too). Fans basically immediately viewed it as a top title. When you started having champions like Jack Swagger it started to feel less important but there was a good 5-7 years when the World title was neck and neck with the WWE title in terms of interest.
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Post by eJm on May 23, 2023 11:51:50 GMT -5
Counterpoint to the 2002 WHC, I booed it because, well, it was a heel being handed a new belt all because he beat the Undertaker in a No 1 contenders match the week before (a match I saw in person so made me Boo the week after because it was seen as him ducking Brock Lesnar). And in storyline, it made sense. Bischoff just lost Brock Lesnar, a Raw guy for ages, to Steph’s Smackdown so part of the inter brand feud, he basically handed HHH the title. And yeah, the Reign of Terror sucked a lot but it was a heel GM abusing his power and giving a belt to the top heel who did have a kayfabe to have it.
This is a guy winning both brand’s belt, not defending it and instead of management taking a belt away or doing anything about the interferences, just thought better to make the next person automatically look like a Goober because the people in charge have zero backbone and shrug their shoulders about it all. You can build all the good matches you want but that albatross will still be there.
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Post by XIII on May 23, 2023 12:04:56 GMT -5
There’s also this weird thing where they’re suggesting that Roman is being selfish and politicking to keep it when actually he’s just been beating everyone. Makes everyone fighting for this new belt look like a major wanker.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 23, 2023 13:30:28 GMT -5
There’s also this weird thing where they’re suggesting that Roman is being selfish and politicking to keep it when actually he’s just been beating everyone. Makes everyone fighting for this new belt look like a major wanker. Triple H cited both Roman politicking to get limited dates in his contract and Roman cheating to win as the reasons he continued to hold the title, in that original promo about the new title. He also said at the same time that it was about the brands, as Roman would have his titles on his brand he’s drafted to, and then the other show would have its own title.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on May 23, 2023 17:14:37 GMT -5
There’s also this weird thing where they’re suggesting that Roman is being selfish and politicking to keep it when actually he’s just been beating everyone. Makes everyone fighting for this new belt look like a major wanker. Triple H cited both Roman politicking to get limited dates in his contract and Roman cheating to win as the reasons he continued to hold the title, in that original promo about the new title. He also said at the same time that it was about the brands, as Roman would have his titles on his brand he’s drafted to, and then the other show would have its own title. It still makes no sense, So he's the double champion of RAW? Why does he have two belts? I guess you can merge them but as people have said it makes it seem like his belt is THEE belt and whatever smackdown has is for losers who can't cut it.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 23, 2023 17:41:00 GMT -5
Triple H cited both Roman politicking to get limited dates in his contract and Roman cheating to win as the reasons he continued to hold the title, in that original promo about the new title. He also said at the same time that it was about the brands, as Roman would have his titles on his brand he’s drafted to, and then the other show would have its own title. It still makes no sense, So he's the double champion of RAW? Why does he have two belts? I guess you can merge them but as people have said it makes it seem like his belt is THEE belt and whatever smackdown has is for losers who can't cut it. Roman is on Smackdown and is the undisputed universal WWE champion. He’s listed on the website as one champion with that name, holding two belts. The universal lineage will likely merge into the longer WWE lineage but they will hold off on officially doing that until Roman loses I imagine because the universal reign is the one that is approaching 1000 days. I’d be shocked if they were to separate Roman’s two titles again. They’re going to be one title, with the other title being the new world heavyweight championship on Raw. It’s similar to how Jericho had the two titles, which they eventually just merged together to be the undisputed championship which Lesnar had and took to Smackdown. So they created the world heavyweight title and gave it to HHH.
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Post by schma on May 24, 2023 2:02:38 GMT -5
There’s also this weird thing where they’re suggesting that Roman is being selfish and politicking to keep it when actually he’s just been beating everyone. Makes everyone fighting for this new belt look like a major wanker. Triple H cited both Roman politicking to get limited dates in his contract and Roman cheating to win as the reasons he continued to hold the title, in that original promo about the new title. He also said at the same time that it was about the brands, as Roman would have his titles on his brand he’s drafted to, and then the other show would have its own title. It seems odd that HHH would acknowledge the cheating but do nothing about it. All he has to do is introduce a stipulation where Roman can lose the belt on a dq. Making a new belt in this context makes hhh seem like Flanders parents, "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas man".
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Post by ayumidah on May 24, 2023 3:18:31 GMT -5
I just took the latest WWE fan council survey and I'm not even sure how to feel about there being three options to this question How DARE they give me something new to spend the next few days being paranoid over? How DARE
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 24, 2023 3:40:14 GMT -5
I just took the latest WWE fan council survey and I'm not even sure how to feel about there being three options to this question How DARE they give me something new to spend the next few days being paranoid over? How DARE This implies that there are times when we AREN'T paranoid about WWE booking.
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