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Post by SneakMan on Apr 27, 2023 10:40:14 GMT -5
From what we’ve heard of creative pitch meetings, it seems to be the Wild West where people just pitch anything, no matter how outrageous and so it’s not too shocking that there are some ideas that push the envelope way too far. Thinking back to the "Heidenreich is a literal unfrozen Nazi soldier" pitch that supposedly Vince himself was stunned into silence by.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 27, 2023 10:55:53 GMT -5
From what we’ve heard of creative pitch meetings, it seems to be the Wild West where people just pitch anything, no matter how outrageous and so it’s not too shocking that there are some ideas that push the envelope way too far. Thinking back to the "Heidenreich is a literal unfrozen Nazi soldier" pitch that supposedly Vince himself was stunned into silence by. They followed it up with “ok so Heidenreich is a sexual predator that dry humps Michael Cole against a wall” and Vince suddenly got the weirdest boner.
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Post by SneakMan on Apr 27, 2023 10:58:24 GMT -5
They followed it up with “ok so Heidenreich is a sexual predator that dry humps Michael Cole against a wall” and Vince suddenly got the weirdest boner. Vince: Goddamn, ya had me at "sexual predator" pal.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Apr 27, 2023 11:27:14 GMT -5
Yet more proof for the idea that Vince's big thing isn't insane crazy HE'S GONNA PUKE booking but rather dull as shit booking. If McMahon and Paul fell into a black hole tomorrow these dudes would unleash a level of strangeness not seen on TV since f***ing Twin Peaks
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Post by RI Richmark on Apr 27, 2023 12:22:29 GMT -5
If it's half as bad as this makes it sound, it's a miracle what makes it onto TV is as filtered as it is. And "filtered" is a f***ed up way to describe the nuances of WWE's sense of humour. From what we’ve heard of creative pitch meetings, it seems to be the Wild West where people just pitch anything, no matter how outrageous and so it’s not too shocking that there are some ideas that push the envelope way too far. Yeah, I think the writer who mentioned "Mansoor was behind 9/11" meant it as a joke, not a serious suggestion. However it's still a joke that ties Muslims/Arabs to terrorism so it's still horrible.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 27, 2023 12:42:07 GMT -5
I don't expect this suit to go anywhere. This just seems like a cash grab attempt. And as disgusting as it is, it's not illegal to push stereotypes on TV, as this kinda stuff is protected by the first amendment. The only part of this case that is relevant is if she got fired/released over her skin color or not. If she was fired for that, then she likely has a case on those grounds. If she wasn't fired for that, then she doesn't have a case. And the bar to prove it would be incredibly high on her part. Not true. There are other ways to prove employment discrimination besides someone being fired because of their race/gender/religion, etc. Most notably is a hostile work environment-type discrimination claim which I assume is one of the counts here. Typically you would have to show that the conduct/harassment was severe or pervasive enough that it would cause a reasonable person in a certain protected class to feel that the environment was hostile, intimidating or abusive.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 27, 2023 13:12:31 GMT -5
What makes you think they would want that? If they wuld want to deal with the Saudis I guess I have been misinfomed somewhere. UFC went back to having big fights in the country almost as soon as the pandemic calmed down. Endeavor only backed away until Khashoggi's murder was out of the news cycle.
They're not going to back out of that deal.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 13, 2023 10:55:28 GMT -5
Thurston also asked her attorney, Derek Sells for further comment who basically only said the situation was “resolved amicably” which is legal speak for “WWE gave her a f*** load of money to go away”. Which, hey, good for her and probably the best thing WWE could do because they didn’t need this to go anywhere near court.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 13, 2023 10:59:12 GMT -5
Vince would never pay anyone hush money, that's completely out of character.
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Post by XIII on Oct 13, 2023 11:50:15 GMT -5
If they wuld want to deal with the Saudis I guess I have been misinfomed somewhere. UFC went back to having big fights in the country almost as soon as the pandemic calmed down. Endeavor only backed away until Khashoggi's murder was out of the news cycle.
They're not going to back out of that deal.
AFAIK UFC hasn’t had an event in Saudi yet. They always hit up Dubai and Bahrain when they’re in the Middle East up to this point.
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 13, 2023 11:57:05 GMT -5
I wish companies can be found culpable and admit fault vs having to settle and not admit fault...
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 13, 2023 13:04:48 GMT -5
I wish companies can be found culpable and admit fault vs having to settle and not admit fault... The nature of a lawsuit is that it’s cheaper to settle at almost all stages of the process than it is to fight it all the way to the end, especially in employment cases. That’s why more than 90% of cases settle.
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Post by cjh on Oct 13, 2023 13:12:41 GMT -5
I wish companies can be found culpable and admit fault vs having to settle and not admit fault... The nature of a lawsuit is that it’s cheaper to settle at almost all stages of the process than it is to fight it all the way to the end, especially in employment cases. That’s why more than 90% of cases settle. Eric Bischoff has repeatedly mentioned that Turner Broadcasting's policy, at least during WCW's run, was that if a person/company was suing for less than $100,000, they would just cut the check rather than fighting the case in court.
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 13, 2023 13:29:30 GMT -5
I wish companies can be found culpable and admit fault vs having to settle and not admit fault... The nature of a lawsuit is that it’s cheaper to settle at almost all stages of the process than it is to fight it all the way to the end, especially in employment cases. That’s why more than 90% of cases settle. I obliviously know that, my post was a rant about that sort of system that gives leverage to companies vs the affected people and not have companies actually liable to actually improve vs paying it off and continuing with the status quo.
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Post by salz4life on Oct 13, 2023 13:49:49 GMT -5
UFC went back to having big fights in the country almost as soon as the pandemic calmed down. Endeavor only backed away until Khashoggi's murder was out of the news cycle. They're not going to back out of that deal.
AFAIK UFC hasn’t had an event in Saudi yet. They always hit up Dubai and Bahrain when they’re in the Middle East up to this point. UFC will probably have a card in Saudi Arabia next year. It's been discussed in past few days, I think.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 13, 2023 14:07:12 GMT -5
The nature of a lawsuit is that it’s cheaper to settle at almost all stages of the process than it is to fight it all the way to the end, especially in employment cases. That’s why more than 90% of cases settle. I obliviously know that, my post was a rant about that sort of system that gives leverage to companies vs the affected people and not have companies actually liable to actually improve vs paying it off and continuing with the status quo. The leverage in employment cases is typically not to the company’s advantage. The employees usually have much of the leverage. Plaintiff’s lawyers are usually working on a contingency basis, meaning the Plaintiff doesn’t pay them anything unless they win/settle. So extending the case and not settling for the Plaintiff doesn’t actually cost anything. And there is also the shifting of attorney’s fees in most employment cases where if the Plaintiff wins even one dollar, the employer has to pay the other sides attorneys fees- even though they may have been on contingency this is still calculated as if each hour they worked was being billed to the employee. Fee shifting in these cases can go way up into the high 6 figures if not higher for cases that go all the way to trial. A lot of times the actual employers aren’t very eager to settle cases early on either. Employers are usually steadfast that they didn’t do anything wrong and then their attorneys will try to show them that even if they didn’t do anything wrong it will cost a lot more time and money to fight the lawsuit all the way through trial than settle it, and with no certainty in results.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 14, 2023 10:26:37 GMT -5
The nature of a lawsuit is that it’s cheaper to settle at almost all stages of the process than it is to fight it all the way to the end, especially in employment cases. That’s why more than 90% of cases settle. I obliviously know that, my post was a rant about that sort of system that gives leverage to companies vs the affected people and not have companies actually liable to actually improve vs paying it off and continuing with the status quo. What's the difference in a company paying out early in the process or at the end? Either way, the accountability is financial loss. Companies aren't ordered to make systemic changes through private litigation unless there's an egregious breach of legal standards and even then that requires some sort of regulatory agency to be involved.
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Post by Snaptastic on Oct 14, 2023 19:17:15 GMT -5
I wish companies can be found culpable and admit fault vs having to settle and not admit fault... The nature of a lawsuit is that it’s cheaper to settle at almost all stages of the process than it is to fight it all the way to the end, especially in employment cases. That’s why more than 90% of cases settle. Indeed. I won't name them obviously, but my employer has an policy of paying off anyone who is fired or feels forced out just to keep their name out of a news report.
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