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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Apr 28, 2023 17:17:58 GMT -5
[quote author=" G✇JI☈A" source="/post/17174474/thread" timestamp="1682650658" They thought they were in a literal war to the death. A terrible mindset.. If they just co existed and focused on making a great product, Sega could still be making hardware today. [/quote] SEGA seems way better at the software development aspect than they are at making hardware I honestly think they're better off just making games now
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Post by castletonsnob on Apr 28, 2023 17:25:27 GMT -5
Is it bad that I didn't know about the 16-bit console wars or "Genesis Does What Nintendon't" until I read about it on Wikipedia?
I was born in 1992. SNES vs. Genesis was kind of before my time. I was more of a GameCube vs. PS2 vs. Xbox kid.
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Post by DoubleDare on Apr 28, 2023 17:27:41 GMT -5
Sega was their own worst enemy, it's a shame. The Sega Genesis is my all time favorite system, I could give them a pass on trying the Game Gear, Sega CD but 32x should've never been greenlit and Saturn should've waited until the Sept launch and had a flagship Sonic game.
Also since this thread is named Console Wars, reminds me of WWF Raw for the Sega Genesis... ...."No I think you mean WWF Raw for the Super Nintendo" No I mean....ARE WE DOINNNNG THIS!?
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Post by dav on Apr 28, 2023 17:32:37 GMT -5
Sega was their own worst enemy, it's a shame. The Sega Genesis is my all time favorite system, I could give them a pass on trying the Game Gear, Sega CD but 32x should've never been greenlit and Saturn should've waited until the Sept launch and had a flagship Sonic game. Also since this thread is named Console Wars, reminds me of WWF Raw for the Sega Genesis... ...."No I think you mean WWF Raw for the Super Nintendo" No I mean....ARE WE DOINNNNG THIS!? Does the amount of potassium in bananas render them slightly radioactive, yet still safe and healthy to eat while being delicious? Yes.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Apr 28, 2023 17:37:17 GMT -5
there are a lot of playstation and Xbox fan boys I get that, but are Sony/X-Box/Nintendo actually making commercials going at the other 2? At this point most systems play the same games with a hand full of exclusives here and there as far as I can tell. only time where Microsoft did anything like that was when they bought Mojang studios/Minecraft and made sure it was cross-platform play, they advertised it as being playable on PC/Xbox/Switch/Playstation while saying you could play with friends on those platforms (while leaving space for ps3/ps4 in the advert.) leaving Activision, Psyonix and the general public to force Sony into going cross-platform for online games.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 28, 2023 17:42:25 GMT -5
Sega would have been fine if they didn't have internal politics that made a pro wrestling lockerroom seen sane with large chunks of the company seemingly working against oneanother at all times, with hardware developed in competition with oneanother and dev teams freaking out whenever they were asked to share dev tools or game engines, just ask Sega of America.
It made the dumpster fires that were Commodore and Atari seem well run.
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Post by castletonsnob on Apr 28, 2023 17:51:25 GMT -5
Sega turning down a deal with Sony was a HUGE mistake.
Could you imagine a console made by Sony and Sega competing against Nintendo?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 28, 2023 17:57:38 GMT -5
Sega would have been fine if they didn't have internal politics that made a pro wrestling lockerroom seen sane with large chunks of the company seemingly working against oneanother at all times, with hardware developed in competition with oneanother and dev teams freaking out whenever they were asked to share dev tools or game engines, just ask Sega of America. It made the dumpster fires that were Commodore and Atari seem well run. At least Sega managed to survive that shit. Looking at you, Sears.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 28, 2023 18:03:52 GMT -5
Sega would have been fine if they didn't have internal politics that made a pro wrestling lockerroom seen sane with large chunks of the company seemingly working against oneanother at all times, with hardware developed in competition with oneanother and dev teams freaking out whenever they were asked to share dev tools or game engines, just ask Sega of America. It made the dumpster fires that were Commodore and Atari seem well run. Well, to be fair Coleco had the weirdest corporate path. Coleco stands for COnneticut LEather COmpany. For most of its existence the made boots, saddles, coats, wallets, and bags. Eventually they started making plastics, which lead to making toys, which led to making electronics. The Telstar was the first actual console (with game cartridges and all). The Colecovision and the Adam followed, and if they didn’t also own one of the 80’s most successful toy lines (cabbage Patch Kids) they would have floundered even earlier.
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Post by fg on Apr 28, 2023 18:07:23 GMT -5
Remember reading the Console Wars book and one thing that repeated over and over that Sega’s aim was not to make great consoles and fun games.. Their aim was to send Nintendo out of business.. They thought they were in a literal war to the death. A terrible mindset.. If they just co existed and focused on making a great product, Sega could still be making hardware today. Kind of reminds me of the MONDAY Night wars between WCW and the future WWE which occurred during the same time as the console wars and ended at almost the same time.
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Post by fg on Apr 28, 2023 18:12:14 GMT -5
Sega = WCW is such a great comp. They were truly innovative at one point but then just ran out of steam and couldn't recapture what they once had by trying to keep the corpse of the Genesis alive with those crappy add-ons. Once Sony entered the fray, they were done, even though the Dreamcast is one of favorite systems ever (even with that weird-ass controller). As for the 'Console Wars', I blame Sega for those polarizing commercials with 'Nintendon't' and horseshit 'Blast Processing' claims for continuing the stoke the fires. I don't recall Nintendo mentioning Sega at all, really. And I owned both Genesis and SNES, so I was no fanboy of either. Nintendo did do their own goes of it here and there. Most notable's probably one of the DKC games putting Sonic's shoes next to a trash can on the ranking screen at the end, but also there was stuff like Nintendo trying to astroturf a protest over the Game Gear's marketing being ableist (despite the ads they were referring to clearly talking about dogs). They weren't as aggressive about it as Sega but they definitely took their shots. I remember when they launched Donkey Kong Country, they mentioned it was not on 32x but on SNES (don’t think they mentioned Sega by name).
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Post by fg on Apr 28, 2023 18:23:01 GMT -5
Here's the thing. Sega ALWAYS operated like that. They put out 3 different versions of the SG-1000 (the last one being what we know as the Master System), PLUS a compatible computer (SC-3000). The biggest issue is that SoJ was assmad about Tom Kalinske making Sonic a pack-in for the US Genesis ("You don't give away your flagship title for free!", SoJ argued), You know, despite the fact that Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt and Super Mario World were both pack-ins for the NES and SNES, respectively, and sold VERY well. And Super Mario Bros up until 2009was the best selling video game of all time ( surpassed by Wii Sports.)
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Post by mc74 on Apr 28, 2023 18:35:53 GMT -5
I blame the Sega & Nintendo war for this one. Sega was notorious for aggressive marketing. Nintendo also threw their fair share of shots, and people then joined in to make it a point what they owned was superior. You also had people joining in the fray because they felt they had to validate what they bought was the right choice, but ultimately, it's a big marketing push that people took too seriously instead of learning to appreciate the finer points of gaming. Such a silly endeavor.
Btw, I gotta give major props to the one who compared Sega to WCW. Spot-on with that one.
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 28, 2023 18:55:39 GMT -5
Something that's worth noting is that the fear by Sega (and to a lesser degree) Nintendo about the predicted boon of PC's from the "multimedia" phenomenon and other next generation consoles ended up having incredibly big consequences. Consoles like the Sega CD, 32X, and even the Virtual Boy don't really make sense except for the fact that no one wanted to be left behind by the popularity of new technology or stronger systems and simply having something on the market that was in the neighborhood of next gen was perceived as necessary.
In hindsight we know that silliness like the Jaguar was of no threat, while the multimedia fantasy (a computer that could be the all in one electronic device for education, most work places, and gaming) didn't even really happen until the internet actually fulfilled that promise; with arguably Steam being the real service that effectively streamlined the process for playing titles to mass audiences. But at the time (much like Coleco and Atari wasted resources on home computer projects in a market that wasn't practical for that for another decade) the sense was that there had to be something cutting edge out there no matter how impractical it actually was.
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Post by Totorob101 on Apr 28, 2023 18:57:20 GMT -5
I have never understood these console war nonsense, you can enjoy both, either one of them or none of them at all,its nice to have different gaming platforms to play on at the end of the day.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 28, 2023 21:36:46 GMT -5
there are a lot of playstation and Xbox fan boys Don't forget the PC Master Race.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Apr 28, 2023 22:18:16 GMT -5
I understood it in the 90s but now with how ok everyone is with everyone, the only "war" is what fan boys have fabricated in their heads.
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Post by schma on Apr 29, 2023 2:01:48 GMT -5
This thread actually reminded me of when Crash Bandicoot was new and they had the commercials where he would hang outside Nintendo quarters with a megaphone. Dx 'invasion' style. I think it was meant to establish him as the new hotness since sonic was already past his peak but Mario was still in good shape.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 29, 2023 3:02:49 GMT -5
This thread actually reminded me of when Crash Bandicoot was new and they had the commercials where he would hang outside Nintendo quarters with a megaphone. Dx 'invasion' style. I think it was meant to establish him as the new hotness since sonic was already past his peak but Mario was still in good shape. Yeah they were trying to position him as THE Playstation Mascot. Like Sonic or Mario... and Mario is still the Video game Mascot... so... going after Nintendo made more sense.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 29, 2023 13:15:14 GMT -5
I understood it in the 90s but now with how ok everyone is with everyone, the only "war" is what fan boys have fabricated in their heads. Sony dedicating the last couple of years trying to do everything it could to derail the Activision purchase by Microsoft when Nintendo was just like "We still get Call of Duty, right? Cool." is pretty funny, though. Sony still wants console wars while MS and Nintendo mostly play nice with each other. Like Nintendo and MS have mostly embraced cross-platform play while Sony is the big stick in the mud about it. IIRC, Sony being so opposed to it is a big reason why Xbox consoles haven't gotten a port of Final Fantasy XIV yet. Though IIRC, Microsoft shares in the responsibility for that, too. It's definitely not from lack of interest on Square Enix's part.
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