I want an Cassidy/Garcia feud

[Abdullah]

I’ve been really hard on AEW for its storytelling. One thing the shows are missing is that, outside of the main event, outside of Jericho’s feuds, outside of the usual faction wars, there usually aren’t heated feuds in the undercard. Some exceptions, of course, but like — Hook has never had an actual feud. Starks’s feuds peter out quietly. The TNT title just bounces around.

After seeing their match, I would like Garcia and Cassidy to feud over OC’s title. Minimal faction stuff. Minimal ‘entertainer vs wrestler.’ Just a classic feud that progresses and builds. I think that’s how you get Garcia over — let him cook instead of putting him on the back burner.

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Christian's been working his ass off to make the TNT Title feud with Wardlow matter and I'll say he's succeeding. HOOK won't have a true feud until someone pins him imo

I do like Garcia and Cassidy's idea though, they gel really well together, and the whole point laid out was if Garcia was focused, he would have won the belt, so there's something there.

[Fake Jesus]

It would help to have any sort of feud over the international title, because as it stands it's just six thousand defenses without a narrative and appears to be a 1:1 mirror of the TNT title's TV championship era.

[Abdullah]

May 11, 2023 17:27:02 GMT -5 Fake Jesus said:

It would help to have any sort of feud over the international title, because as it stands it's just six thousand defenses without a narrative and appears to be a 1:1 mirror of the TNT title's TV championship era.

Yeah. AEW favors the “fighting champ”-type booking. Jade sort of is that. Most tag reigns are that. PAC was that.

Get some young folks fighting over these titles over an extended period of time rather than just moving from one defense to the next. I promise people will eat it up.

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May 11, 2023 17:27:02 GMT -5 Fake Jesus said:

It would help to have any sort of feud over the international title, because as it stands it's just six thousand defenses without a narrative and appears to be a 1:1 mirror of the TNT title's TV championship era.

There has been a storyline though, Orange is getting more and more banged up and having to find new ways to keep the title as more challengers keep coming at him every single week

This has also spun off into other storylines, like Bandido becoming his ally in respect

This is my favorite title reign in awhile so I'm gonna defend it lol. Cassidy and Gunther have made their belts matter in ways they wouldn't have without them putting in the work they have

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May 11, 2023 17:36:13 GMT -5 Abdullah said:

May 11, 2023 17:27:02 GMT -5 Fake Jesus said:

It would help to have any sort of feud over the international title, because as it stands it's just six thousand defenses without a narrative and appears to be a 1:1 mirror of the TNT title's TV championship era.

Yeah. AEW favors the “fighting champ”-type booking. Jade sort of is that. Most tag reigns are that. PAC was that.

Get some young folks fighting over these titles over an extended period of time rather than just moving from one defense to the next. I promise people will eat it up.

There are so many title reigns that move at a glacial pace or have storylines that go nowhere. I actually rather prefer when some belts are just fighting champion durability or something along those lines

As I said though, the storyline's pretty clear, Cassidy's getting more and more banged up, keeping the belt as he is. It's a matter of who is gonna be the one to finally break him, and they'll get a big rub and a lot of heat likely.

[bearned]

May 11, 2023 17:27:02 GMT -5 Fake Jesus said:

It would help to have any sort of feud over the international title, because as it stands it's just six thousand defenses without a narrative and appears to be a 1:1 mirror of the TNT title's TV championship era.

The narrative is he is a fighting champ and it’s progressively making him more and more beat up. His knee is shot, his hand is broken and he’s super tired. It’s actually been one of the best title runs of recent memory.

[Super Duper Dragunov]

May 11, 2023 22:14:28 GMT -5 bearned said:

May 11, 2023 17:27:02 GMT -5 Fake Jesus said:

It would help to have any sort of feud over the international title, because as it stands it's just six thousand defenses without a narrative and appears to be a 1:1 mirror of the TNT title's TV championship era.

The narrative is he is a fighting champ and it’s progressively making him more and more beat up. His knee is shot, his hand is broken and he’s super tired. It’s actually been one of the best title runs of recent memory.

Agreed. I've said before I think OC is the best booked champion in AEW right now. There's a long game being played with his Bret Hart-esque fighting champion that takes on all comers.

And on top of that the matches have been really good. I've never been the biggest OC fan, but I genuinely look forward to his title defenses, and that speaks a lot to him as a champion and what he's doing with the belt.

I hope if he ever becomes world champion they follow this formula with him b/c he's a fantastic 'man of the people' who will defend his title against anyone. That's the gimmick, and you don't need a convoluted Jericho-type story for that

[Abdullah]

May 11, 2023 18:33:13 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

May 11, 2023 17:36:13 GMT -5 Abdullah said:

Yeah. AEW favors the “fighting champ”-type booking. Jade sort of is that. Most tag reigns are that. PAC was that.

Get some young folks fighting over these titles over an extended period of time rather than just moving from one defense to the next. I promise people will eat it up.

There are so many title reigns that move at a glacial pace or have storylines that go nowhere. I actually rather prefer when some belts are just fighting champion durability or something along those lines

As I said though, the storyline’s pretty clear, Cassidy’s getting more and more banged up, keeping the belt as he is. It’s a matter of who is gonna be the one to finally break him, and they’ll get a big rub and a lot of heat likely.

I get that AEW likes to tell its stories in the ring, which works to a point. Even if I think it’s kind of lazy when almost everyone gets the fighting champion treatment.

The real problem is that you’re not doing your inexperienced young roster any favors by booking that way. As we can see in the Pillars feud, with Jungle Boy especially, but Guevara as well, a lot of these competitors are not ready to carry a big feud. Jungle Boy is a great wrestler. I don’t think you can watch his match with Fenix from Rampage a few months ago and say there’s anything more that guy needs to learn in the ring. At least not in the immediate sense. What he needs is to work on his character.

People thought he was improving in his feud with Christian, and he was, but that mean-mugging “BITCH!” and “PUSSY!” juvenile stuff gets a pass when you’re in a heated feud. Again, as we’re seeing now, it doesn’t transfer to other rivalries. Jungle Boy has been in AEW since 2019 and he’s only had two feuds that have required any meaningful mic time. Two. This is his second. Maybe he wouldn’t be getting negative reviews if he spent these past few years in, say, a story-focused feud for a midcard title.

The same is true for a lot of the roster. How is he, how is Garcia, how is Hook, how is Starks, suppose to be the future of AEW when they don’t have consistent experience building up personal beefs like MJF can or like the ex-WWE main event guys are allowed to do? Why is the Starks/Jay White feud such a non-event, limping from one match and meaningless quick promo to the next, when that’s something they could have built up as a marquee PPV rivalry if they cared?

It’s fine if you think “Orange Cassidy: Fighting Champion” works, specifically. But more broadly, the AEW roster is not being put in a position to succeed when all they get are match-focused feuds and samey backstage interviews that blend together and which have even criticized on-air more than once. It limits their skill sets.

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May 14, 2023 5:15:10 GMT -5 Abdullah said:

May 11, 2023 18:33:13 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

There are so many title reigns that move at a glacial pace or have storylines that go nowhere. I actually rather prefer when some belts are just fighting champion durability or something along those lines

As I said though, the storyline’s pretty clear, Cassidy’s getting more and more banged up, keeping the belt as he is. It’s a matter of who is gonna be the one to finally break him, and they’ll get a big rub and a lot of heat likely.

I get that AEW likes to tell its stories in the ring, which works to a point. Even if I think it’s kind of lazy when almost everyone gets the fighting champion treatment.

The real problem is that you’re not doing your inexperienced young roster any favors by booking that way. As we can see in the Pillars feud, with Jungle Boy especially, but Guevara as well, a lot of these competitors are not ready to carry a big feud. Jungle Boy is a great wrestler. I don’t think you can watch his match with Fenix from Rampage a few months ago and say there’s anything more that guy needs to learn in the ring. At least not in the immediate sense. What he needs is to work on his character.

People thought he was improving in his feud with Christian, and he was, but that mean-mugging “BITCH!” and “PUSSY!” juvenile stuff gets a pass when you’re in a heated feud. Again, as we’re seeing now, it doesn’t transfer to other rivalries. Jungle Boy has been in AEW since 2019 and he’s only had two feuds that have required any meaningful mic time. Two. This is his second. Maybe he wouldn’t be getting negative reviews if he spent these past few years in, say, a story-focused feud for a midcard title.

The same is true for a lot of the roster. How is he, how is Garcia, how is Hook, how is Starks, suppose to be the future of AEW when they don’t have consistent experience building up personal beefs like MJF can or like the ex-WWE main event guys are allowed to do? Why is the Starks/Jay White feud such a non-event, limping from one match and meaningless quick promo to the next, when that’s something they could have built up as a marquee PPV rivalry if they cared?

It’s fine if you think “Orange Cassidy: Fighting Champion” works, specifically. But more broadly, the AEW roster is not being put in a position to succeed when all they get are match-focused feuds and samey backstage interviews that blend together and which have even criticized on-air more than once. It limits their skill sets.

I also think you have to look at it from the youth side, Garcia's 24, he's already gotten huge wins including a clean win against Bryan Danielson, and another against Brody King, the most protected hoss in the company. He's been put into positions to succeed, he's won big matches

Him losing to Cassidy was played up that he got into his own head, the "Sports Entertainer" thing is a slow burn and it's shown to be doing it pretty well. He barely lost because he wasn't focused. When Garcia is focused, he's one of the most dangerous guys here, but it's the inexperience and the need to be something he's trying to fit into when we all know, he's a pro wrestler, is the storyline for Daniel

He doesn't NEED to beat Cassidy for the belt to be put into positions to be successful, he's been playing his role pretty perfectly so far and I think, regardless, it's gonna lead to good payoffs because they clearly care about him. Now, does that mean I don't want him to beat Orange? No. I actually like your idea, but I also think for where Garcia is in his career? They've intensely shown they're in love with him, and he's undoubtedly gonna win more belts even in the near future, if it isn't Orange.

[Abdullah]

May 14, 2023 7:04:46 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

May 14, 2023 5:15:10 GMT -5 Abdullah said:

I get that AEW likes to tell its stories in the ring, which works to a point. Even if I think it’s kind of lazy when almost everyone gets the fighting champion treatment.

The real problem is that you’re not doing your inexperienced young roster any favors by booking that way. As we can see in the Pillars feud, with Jungle Boy especially, but Guevara as well, a lot of these competitors are not ready to carry a big feud. Jungle Boy is a great wrestler. I don’t think you can watch his match with Fenix from Rampage a few months ago and say there’s anything more that guy needs to learn in the ring. At least not in the immediate sense. What he needs is to work on his character.

People thought he was improving in his feud with Christian, and he was, but that mean-mugging “BITCH!” and “PUSSY!” juvenile stuff gets a pass when you’re in a heated feud. Again, as we’re seeing now, it doesn’t transfer to other rivalries. Jungle Boy has been in AEW since 2019 and he’s only had two feuds that have required any meaningful mic time. Two. This is his second. Maybe he wouldn’t be getting negative reviews if he spent these past few years in, say, a story-focused feud for a midcard title.

The same is true for a lot of the roster. How is he, how is Garcia, how is Hook, how is Starks, suppose to be the future of AEW when they don’t have consistent experience building up personal beefs like MJF can or like the ex-WWE main event guys are allowed to do? Why is the Starks/Jay White feud such a non-event, limping from one match and meaningless quick promo to the next, when that’s something they could have built up as a marquee PPV rivalry if they cared?

It’s fine if you think “Orange Cassidy: Fighting Champion” works, specifically. But more broadly, the AEW roster is not being put in a position to succeed when all they get are match-focused feuds and samey backstage interviews that blend together and which have even criticized on-air more than once. It limits their skill sets.

I also think you have to look at it from the youth side, Garcia’s 24, he’s already gotten huge wins including a clean win against Bryan Danielson, and another against Brody King, the most protected hoss in the company. He’s been put into positions to succeed, he’s won big matches

Him losing to Cassidy was played up that he got into his own head, the “Sports Entertainer” thing is a slow burn and it’s shown to be doing it pretty well. He barely lost because he wasn’t focused. When Garcia is focused, he’s one of the most dangerous guys here, but it’s the inexperience and the need to be something he’s trying to fit into when we all know, he’s a pro wrestler, is the storyline for Daniel

He doesn’t NEED to beat Cassidy for the belt to be put into positions to be successful, he’s been playing his role pretty perfectly so far and I think, regardless, it’s gonna lead to good payoffs because they clearly care about him. Now, does that mean I don’t want him to beat Orange? No. I actually like your idea, but I also think for where Garcia is in his career? They’ve intensely shown they’re in love with him, and he’s undoubtedly gonna win more belts even in the near future, if it isn’t Orange.

I do think, as I’ve read elsewhere, AEW could stand to be as annoying as WWE about tooting its own horn. There are times when I forget about Garcia’s win over Bryan, though that’s an accomplishment they should lean into whenever possible.

I disagree about Garcia’s arc being a slow burn, because I don’t have that kind of faith in AEW’s writing. Specifically with Garcia, they’ve picked up and dropped a few stories with him already. But I hope to see the end point of what you’re describing. It sounds good.

[Mid-Carder]

Only if Jericho doesn't get involved

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

May 15, 2023 7:03:56 GMT -5 Abdullah said:

May 14, 2023 7:04:46 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I also think you have to look at it from the youth side, Garcia’s 24, he’s already gotten huge wins including a clean win against Bryan Danielson, and another against Brody King, the most protected hoss in the company. He’s been put into positions to succeed, he’s won big matches

Him losing to Cassidy was played up that he got into his own head, the “Sports Entertainer” thing is a slow burn and it’s shown to be doing it pretty well. He barely lost because he wasn’t focused. When Garcia is focused, he’s one of the most dangerous guys here, but it’s the inexperience and the need to be something he’s trying to fit into when we all know, he’s a pro wrestler, is the storyline for Daniel

He doesn’t NEED to beat Cassidy for the belt to be put into positions to be successful, he’s been playing his role pretty perfectly so far and I think, regardless, it’s gonna lead to good payoffs because they clearly care about him. Now, does that mean I don’t want him to beat Orange? No. I actually like your idea, but I also think for where Garcia is in his career? They’ve intensely shown they’re in love with him, and he’s undoubtedly gonna win more belts even in the near future, if it isn’t Orange.

I do think, as I’ve read elsewhere, AEW could stand to be as annoying as WWE about tooting its own horn. There are times when I forget about Garcia’s win over Bryan, though that’s an accomplishment they should lean into whenever possible.

I disagree about Garcia’s arc being a slow burn, because I don’t have that kind of faith in AEW’s writing. Specifically with Garcia, they’ve picked up and dropped a few stories with him already. But I hope to see the end point of what you’re describing. It sounds good.

Garcia for me has fallen off hard 

He's nowhere near as important as he was a few months ago with the presumed face turn before they put him back with Jericho 

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May 15, 2023 22:10:36 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

May 15, 2023 7:03:56 GMT -5 Abdullah said:

I do think, as I’ve read elsewhere, AEW could stand to be as annoying as WWE about tooting its own horn. There are times when I forget about Garcia’s win over Bryan, though that’s an accomplishment they should lean into whenever possible.

I disagree about Garcia’s arc being a slow burn, because I don’t have that kind of faith in AEW’s writing. Specifically with Garcia, they’ve picked up and dropped a few stories with him already. But I hope to see the end point of what you’re describing. It sounds good.

Garcia for me has fallen off hard 

He's nowhere near as important as he was a few months ago with the presumed face turn before they put him back with Jericho 

His heel stuff's actually been really good lately, I don't think it was a bad decision because the "YOU'RE THE WRESTLER" is still over, it's still there

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

May 15, 2023 22:18:59 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

May 15, 2023 22:10:36 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Garcia for me has fallen off hard 

He's nowhere near as important as he was a few months ago with the presumed face turn before they put him back with Jericho 

His heel stuff's actually been really good lately, I don't think it was a bad decision because the "YOU'RE THE WRESTLER" is still over, it's still there

Ehh, it's been good but feels like they missed out on a hot opportunity for a swerve. We shall see when it is finally time for him to break away from the group again but he isn't really moved up, just stayed in a straight line 

[Cyno]

If Wheeler Yuta wasn't performing so well as a little shithead heel, I would've loved to see how a little shithead Garcia would've done in the Heel BCC.

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May 15, 2023 22:20:55 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

May 15, 2023 22:18:59 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

His heel stuff's actually been really good lately, I don't think it was a bad decision because the "YOU'RE THE WRESTLER" is still over, it's still there

Ehh, it's been good but feels like they missed out on a hot opportunity for a swerve. We shall see when it is finally time for him to break away from the group again but he isn't really moved up, just stayed in a straight line 

Yeah, I think the storyline pivoted because of Regal's sudden departure, but I think they've salvaged it well

He and Sammy are a great doofus tandem I'm enjoying as well

[deezy]

May 15, 2023 22:10:36 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

May 15, 2023 7:03:56 GMT -5 Abdullah said:

I do think, as I’ve read elsewhere, AEW could stand to be as annoying as WWE about tooting its own horn. There are times when I forget about Garcia’s win over Bryan, though that’s an accomplishment they should lean into whenever possible.

I disagree about Garcia’s arc being a slow burn, because I don’t have that kind of faith in AEW’s writing. Specifically with Garcia, they’ve picked up and dropped a few stories with him already. But I hope to see the end point of what you’re describing. It sounds good.

Garcia for me has fallen off hard 

He's nowhere near as important as he was a few months ago with the presumed face turn before they put him back with Jericho 

This 💯. I have no interest in him whatsoever right now.