One thing I really envy with youngsters and music today.

[fg]

May 12, 2023 11:46:26 GMT -5 chrom said:

Young people would panic and have a heart attack if they found out you had to rewind the cassette tape if you wanted to hear the song again and risk the tape getting eaten up.

They probably also wonder what are those big things that black teens and adults would carry over their shoulders that have music coming out of them.

Yeah, they looked like briefcases and the people danced with them on their shoulders (like Brock Lesnar did with his MITB briefcase.)

[Cranjis McBasketball]

I don’t know if it’s the kids I know, but people under 25 don’t know who ANYONE is and they have access to everything. This isn’t some crazy rant, I don’t mean they’ve never heard of the Beatles, I mean they look at you like you made them up. If it didn’t happen this century, they have no idea.

I mean, I’ve never seen Gone with the Wind, but I know it exists. Yesterday someone mentioned System of a Down to a girl and I said “She has no idea what that is” she said “No, I don’t”.

[Johnny B. Decent]

As much as I loved being a kid of the 90's.....god damn does technology make things easier. Remember AOL dial-up? Woof.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

May 13, 2023 22:57:05 GMT -5 Johnny B. Decent said:

As much as I loved being a kid of the 90's.....god damn does technology make things easier. Remember AOL dial-up? Woof.

Not AOL, but I do remember how damn cool it was to download the Inspector Gadget theme and burn it on a CD. Took 45 minutes and it was the cutting edge of technology.

[Savage Gambino]

May 12, 2023 7:09:17 GMT -5 Glitch said:

Back in my teen youth in the late 90s, the majority of the media you consumed was through TV and radio. There was of course physical media to buy, but as a teen you're money is limited. So if something was mainstream, you were gonna hear it whether you liked it or not. Don't like the Britney or Nsync? Too f***ing bad.

Now today everything is through the internet. If you don't want to hear something, you simply don't go to those spaces it occupies online. A teen can simply go to where the stuff they like is at and listen to it on their portable device (without the restrictions of buying CDs). As a metal-head in my teens, this would been heaven. It seems ridiculous now in this age to passionately hate pop music because it is extremely easily to avoid.

The idea to create this thread was spurred on because I was watching a twitch streamer who was surprised someone in chat didn't know who Bad Bunny was (the only reason I know who he is because guys in FB wrestling groups won't shut up about how much they hate him. lol ).

I wish I could like this comment twice, because that's how I feel when I hear people complain about how bad music is today. You can literally listen to whatever you want on your cell phone: YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, Pandora, iHeart, it has never been easier to listen to whatever you want.

[dirtyoldman]

May 13, 2023 22:45:41 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

I don’t know if it’s the kids I know, but people under 25 don’t know who ANYONE is and they have access to everything. This isn’t some crazy rant, I don’t mean they’ve never heard of the Beatles, I mean they look at you like you made them up. If it didn’t happen this century, they have no idea.

I mean, I’ve never seen Gone with the Wind, but I know it exists. Yesterday someone mentioned System of a Down to a girl and I said “She has no idea what that is” she said “No, I don’t”.

This is something I wonder about and was going to do a post about sometime.

Is there going to be a point that there's so much media that some really famous is just going to be forgotten about and not due to ignorance?

We've all heard about Buddy Holly. Famous singer who died in a plane crash in 1955 (?). I've heard a couple of tunes and in English at school we read a book called Buddy which is about a kid called Buddy named after Buddy Holly as his dad was a fan (they made a drama out of it with Roger Daltry plating Buddy's dad which led onto the movie Buddy's song).

But ive a 14 year old nephew and I'm pretty sure he's no idea who Buddy Holly is not through ignorance but how often in his life would Buddy Holly be brought up? Have YOU seen/thought/heard anything about him in this time?

And when was the last time you heard anything about Laurel and Hardy? When I was younger they were infamous but I don't think young people would even know they existed

[DiBiase is Good]

It’s definitely convenient but you miss out on that feeling of finding a great song on an album because it was harder to skip tracks. I always bought vinyl and so was scared of moving the needle any more than was absolutely necessary, so once I started playing a record I would let it play the whole side and just sit there and listen to it all.
When CDs came out, it was all too easy to not like the first twenty seconds of a song and just hit the skip button to the next track.

[Jaws the Shark]

May 14, 2023 5:16:22 GMT -5 DiBiase is Good said:

It’s definitely convenient but you miss out on that feeling of finding a great song on an album because it was harder to skip tracks. I always bought vinyl and so was scared of moving the needle any more than was absolutely necessary, so once I started playing a record I would let it play the whole side and just sit there and listen to it all.
When CDs came out, it was all too easy to not like the first twenty seconds of a song and just hit the skip button to the next track.

The whole ritual of playing a record is part of the enjoyment, I think. Having to go and look for it, and then bringing it home and playing it, and the anticipation of hearing it. And it's especially exciting if you actually found something else that you weren't looking for but bought it anyway, physical music can really push you out of your comfort zone in the best way. Just clicking a button doesn't feel anywhere near as thrilling.

[Ultimo Gallos]

Like I get that records got better sound.

I got hearing damage so unless I got a great stereo system in my home I can't tell the difference between a Record/CD/whatever.

Plus can't play a record in my car.

[Fade is a CodyCryBaby]

I don’t envy them really.

I think there was definitely something more romantic about how prior generations had it: it was an experience. You were committed to it.

ON THE OTHER HAND I used to hate buying a CD and only liking one or two songs. My friend introducing Napster blew my fricken mind. “Whatever” by Godsmack was the first song I ever downloaded. Then iPods just blew everything up.

The kids I work with tend to listen to the typical trendy stuff either online or whatever. I guess it’s good they get variety and accessibility, it just seems so..vast.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

May 14, 2023 20:21:39 GMT -5 Fade is a CodyCryBaby said:

I don’t envy them really.

I think there was definitely something more romantic about how prior generations had it: it was an experience. You were committed to it.

ON THE OTHER HAND I used to hate buying a CD and only liking one or two songs. My friend introducing Napster blew my fricken mind. “Whatever” by Godsmack was the first song I ever downloaded. Then iPods just blew everything up.

The kids I work with tend to listen to the typical trendy stuff either online or whatever. I guess it’s good they get variety and accessibility, it just seems so..vast.

I mean, I bought the End of Days soundtrack just for a new Guns N’ Roses song. Your mileage may vary on whether that was a worthwhile purchase, but I spent $20 on a song that everyone hates. I like it well enough.

[wildojinx]

May 14, 2023 20:21:39 GMT -5 Fade is a CodyCryBaby said:

I don’t envy them really.

I think there was definitely something more romantic about how prior generations had it: it was an experience. You were committed to it.

ON THE OTHER HAND I used to hate buying a CD and only liking one or two songs. My friend introducing Napster blew my fricken mind. “Whatever” by Godsmack was the first song I ever downloaded. Then iPods just blew everything up.

The kids I work with tend to listen to the typical trendy stuff either online or whatever. I guess it’s good they get variety and accessibility, it just seems so..vast.

Similar to that, I hated when I had all the albums by a band, then a Greatest Hits album would drop with a new (or previously unreleased) song.

[Heartbreaker]

Oh, how I miss the days of destroying the family PC with Limewire to download Three Days Grace and Linkin Park.

[schma]

Being able to rip cds onto our computer was huge. Now all I had to do was not copy the ones I didn't like. When I got a CD burner? Oh man that was amazing. Yeah I'd done mixed cassettes but this was a mixed tape that you could choose any track you wanted. Freaking awesome.

It's funny though, I caught the tail end of 8 tracks and records. I remember at 7 we got a fancy new stereo that had 2 cassettes decks and a record player. That was 1990. I didn't get my first CD player until I was 14 in 1997, our family got a computer a year later and then I got my own computer when I headed off to university. Our family was a bit behind on updating stuff but it's tippy to think how many generations of music formats I've been through, many of them simultaneously.

I even made a mix CD when I bought my first car back in 2017 to mark the event.

I do sometimes go back and listen to an entire album, particularly if it's one that I know I enjoy. However, I love being able to throw my collection in a digital blender and see what plays. That said, I really wish music streaming was better at mixing genres as I'm usually too lazy to make my own Playlist. Still, I enjoy the freedom that current technology brings to my music, especially since I almost always have something playing.

[tirtefaa]

I could be wrong but from what I've seen, seems like a lot of focus anymore is on hit songs as opposed to a full album. Now, this is nothing new...but back in the days where you bought an album, you wore that sucker out! You'd get your money's worth. You got acquainted with all the songs and a lot of time, you'd find good or great B sides that might have even been better than the hits.

Not saying it was better back then, but I felt those albums I had held value.

[Glitch]

May 12, 2023 16:34:30 GMT -5 Jaws the Shark said:

I actually quite miss consuming music through radio and TV. Growing up there was a lot of music that I wouldn't necessarily have chosen to listen to, but which I can now hear and feel that it captured the cultural zeitgeist of that era in some way because it was so ubiquitous at that time, and it felt like a thing that was going on. Ever since streaming came along and that ended because people started only listening to what they choose to listen to, that's gone; if someone were to ask me as someone who was there what the sound of the 2010s/my twenties was, I'm not sure I could really tell them because it's too easy for me to ignore music I don't want to hear.

Douglas Coupland talked about this years ago, the death of the "shared cultural experience", because people now just experience things on their own terms rather than all together so you don't have as many wider cultural trends anymore that pervade all of pop culture.

I can see this point. The internet does and has allowed people to insulate themselves in entertainment/art echo chambers. But at the same time it allows to explore different types of music very easily with a simple click. I've seen memes of people joking how their playlists has Disney songs next to death metal bands. I've met young people very eager to listen to any song recommendations you may give them.

It's probably up to the person. there has always been people who want to explore and those who want to stick with only one thing.

[Bo Rida]

May 14, 2023 4:07:08 GMT -5 dirtyoldman said:

May 13, 2023 22:45:41 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

I don’t know if it’s the kids I know, but people under 25 don’t know who ANYONE is and they have access to everything. This isn’t some crazy rant, I don’t mean they’ve never heard of the Beatles, I mean they look at you like you made them up. If it didn’t happen this century, they have no idea.

I mean, I’ve never seen Gone with the Wind, but I know it exists. Yesterday someone mentioned System of a Down to a girl and I said “She has no idea what that is” she said “No, I don’t”.

This is something I wonder about and was going to do a post about sometime.

Is there going to be a point that there's so much media that some really famous is just going to be forgotten about and not due to ignorance?

We've all heard about Buddy Holly. Famous singer who died in a plane crash in 1955 (?). I've heard a couple of tunes and in English at school we read a book called Buddy which is about a kid called Buddy named after Buddy Holly as his dad was a fan (they made a drama out of it with Roger Daltry plating Buddy's dad which led onto the movie Buddy's song).

But ive a 14 year old nephew and I'm pretty sure he's no idea who Buddy Holly is not through ignorance but how often in his life would Buddy Holly be brought up? Have YOU seen/thought/heard anything about him in this time?

And when was the last time you heard anything about Laurel and Hardy? When I was younger they were infamous but I don't think young people would even know they existed

I think this is largely a TV thing? Once there were limited channels on a set schedule so you'd end up watching quiz shows, 100 greatest ____, chatshows etc and learn about the last few decades of pop culture by osmosis.

If everything you watch is something you specifically seek out via streaming you limit avenues of discovery. They're still there, like Kate Bush in Stranger Things, but fewer of them.

Some big names in any form of art and/or entertainment will naturally fade though.

[Dr. T is an alien]

May 13, 2023 21:50:44 GMT -5 schma said:

The one downside with music set up as it is, it's not as easy to discover new stuff unless you specifically decide that's your goal. Between older siblings, various music channels and radio, I was exposed to a lot of genres of music. If I had just been using spotify though, I might have found myself in one narrow lane unless I went out of my way to search for other stuff.

Streaming services in an effort to get you to listen more will just try to load up more of the same of what you play. Also, I might like an artist with say 10 albums and a ton of hits, bit spitify only ever plays maybe 2 or 3 of them unless I step in.

So, in some ways music is more accessible than ever, but just like social media, I can see how some people might get siloed because of algorithms.

I have two ways of hearing about new music.
The first is listening to the alt rock channel on my commute. The second is that my kids recommend stuff to me (though it blew my mind that one of my youngest’s favorites is Sum-41, though only for the stuff after MTV stopped showing their videos).

[Dr. T is an alien]

May 14, 2023 5:16:22 GMT -5 DiBiase is Good said:

It’s definitely convenient but you miss out on that feeling of finding a great song on an album because it was harder to skip tracks. I always bought vinyl and so was scared of moving the needle any more than was absolutely necessary, so once I started playing a record I would let it play the whole side and just sit there and listen to it all.
When CDs came out, it was all too easy to not like the first twenty seconds of a song and just hit the skip button to the next track.

Alanis Morissette’s big major label, US debut (she had albums in her native Canada previously) had 5 or 6 singles on it. They were all pretty good, but I thought just about every non-single on the album was so much better. I would have never have heard them if the album that I had wasn’t on tape.

Similarly, Cinderella’s second album, Long Cold Winter, was pretty solid throughout but several really good songs would never have been considered for release as a single since they were more bluesy than radio would play.

[Lance Uppercut]

May 12, 2023 7:09:17 GMT -5 Glitch said:

Back in my teen youth in the late 90s, the majority of the media you consumed was through TV and radio. There was of course physical media to buy, but as a teen you're money is limited. So if something was mainstream, you were gonna hear it whether you liked it or not. Don't like the Britney or Nsync? Too f***ing bad.

Now today everything is through the internet. If you don't want to hear something, you simply don't go to those spaces it occupies online. A teen can simply go to where the stuff they like is at and listen to it on their portable device (without the restrictions of buying CDs). As a metal-head in my teens, this would been heaven. It seems ridiculous now in this age to passionately hate pop music because it is extremely easily to avoid.

The idea to create this thread was spurred on because I was watching a twitch streamer who was surprised someone in chat didn't know who Bad Bunny was (the only reason I know who he is because guys in FB wrestling groups won't shut up about how much they hate him. lol ).

Yeah I never understood the comment section of a good song and those kids are like “I wish I was born in this generation, todays music sucks”. I’m like “bro, you live in a generation where you can hear the entire catalogue of the generations music for free and on demand. You got a mountain of gold to just sift through. Just enjoy it”