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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 14, 2023 21:49:11 GMT -5
It was probably a bit too early for heel Bryan but if tiegate hadn’t happened then he’d have worked most of the matches with Barrett used as mouthpiece and interference runner - things would have probably worked out differently. Yeah, but at the end of the day, Wade Barrett was the one with the title match from winning NXT Season 1 and not Bryan, so they still would have needed to figure out Barrett's singles work sooner rather than later. |
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Post by Heartbreaker on May 14, 2023 22:07:40 GMT -5
Shield did it better.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 15, 2023 1:24:52 GMT -5
It's obvious that it wasn't the plan all along, someone just had the idea to make the NXT rookies a faction and they went with it. And viewed in that context, they got some pretty good TV and some great moments out of it.
You can argue about various missteps along the way, but I don't think there's any universe where we're all sat here saying 'Wow, that was 2.0 NWO'.
They basically took the same idea with The Shield and hit it out of the park (due to giving it three of the best talents of their generation).
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on May 15, 2023 2:19:51 GMT -5
Even with the finish I really enjoyed the Summerslam match. I'd not long started watching WWE again, and it felt like a big deal. However, they really could have kept Nexus going in its original form for a good year or so.
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Post by schma on May 15, 2023 2:45:33 GMT -5
One hindrance to them was when Cena was "fired" and then showed up the next week to take them all out, even doing the hand motion to the camera. Crowds ate it up, but it made the nexus seem even less effective.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 15, 2023 3:36:34 GMT -5
Barrett being the 'best shot' for a main eventer in that group at the time was rough because he was not ready at all, but the group still had legs as a unit that got completely demolished that night. Unbelievably short-sighted booking decisions that I can't even really trace the logic of. I know someone (Jericho maybe?) has said that afterward Cena copped to it being a bad idea but I don't know where the actual good idea is n how that match went. What's the other side of that coin? Yeah I don't know what the solution was. Them losing to a ragtag group of guys hurts their image as this solid unit who might not be as good or experienced but can work together better to take you out. On the other hand though a Nexus win would have killed the crowd. This wasn't Shield or Bloodline were even if the heel wins you usually get a banger match out of it. A decade later it's easy to just remember the big moments like the initial beatdown, Summerslam or "fetch me some watah, Cener" but on a week to week basis the Nexus were doing these robotic group beatdowns that stopped being exciting like 3 weeks in. They destroyed the roster on their debut, they made Cena lose the title at Fatal 4 Way, they cost him the title again at MITB and all the weekly beatdowns in between. If they won at Summerslam were do you go? You could give Barrett the title and try stretch it to Wrestlemania but I don't think he was good enough at the time for that. He literally only worked well with Cena but if you're putting the title on him and keeping them separate all the way till Mania I don't see how Barrett pulls that off. Those 2 PPV main events with Orton were diabolically bad and even when he faced great veterans like Edge and Jericho the crowd just died for his matches. Maybe you have Barrett win the title at NOC and drop it to Cena at Survivor Series but I don't think Nexus had the talent to go all the way to Wrestlemania and even if they did the perfect ending to the story then it would have been overshadowed by Rock like Miz was. I also don't really buy the it was buried forever after this match when everyone then goes on to talk about the big storyline points and almost ALL OF THEM happened after this match... Summerslam was the first time after months of basically the same exact thing... the biggest problem was the massive time management where Cena goes from being out on the floor to winning in like a 5 minute period... and even then people act like Cena was up and dancing around after getting the floor DDT... when he doesn't get back to his feet until after the match is over. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 15, 2023 3:39:29 GMT -5
Yeah I don't know what the solution was. Them losing to a ragtag group of guys hurts their image as this solid unit who might not be as good or experienced but can work together better to take you out. On the other hand though a Nexus win would have killed the crowd. This wasn't Shield or Bloodline were even if the heel wins you usually get a banger match out of it. A decade later it's easy to just remember the big moments like the initial beatdown, Summerslam or "fetch me some watah, Cener" but on a week to week basis the Nexus were doing these robotic group beatdowns that stopped being exciting like 3 weeks in. They destroyed the roster on their debut, they made Cena lose the title at Fatal 4 Way, they cost him the title again at MITB and all the weekly beatdowns in between. If they won at Summerslam were do you go? Nexus working better together than alone echoed their real development and the audience knowing that is why it had their buy-in. Seeing all these new faces in a prominent position was fresh and the audience was willing to forgive missteps from them because the larger story was captivating. Summerslam up until the ridiculous finish was worked great by everyone and had the crowd into it - it also had Bret's last hurrah where he got to actually work as a nice touch. Bryan returning was a tremendous twist, but I felt then and now that match should've gone to Nexus (especially after Miz returned to ruin it out of jealousy). I also rewatched it recently and the crowd actually weren't that hot for the Nexus angle... they were into it when it looked like the Faces were in it... but basically died whenever the Nexus got the upperhand like they had been for months... A LOT of the crowd were tired of them not even getting the minimum of any real pushback. |
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Post by msc on May 15, 2023 8:37:01 GMT -5
Wade Barrett was in that weird Chris Masters pattern in 2006-2015 WWE where the better he got, the less of a push he got.
He was green in 2010 for sure but you know, you work around that. You don't go exposing him and his friends on a big stage, or having matches where the big star beats two of you forty seconds after a Piledriver on the concrete, or that insane Cena's Free/Fired/LOL Actually Free story. Ryback got the best run because he got injured at Summerslam and missed a year and a half!
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Post by khali on May 15, 2023 14:20:04 GMT -5
Even if the guys weren’t ready overall in the long run, it’s very short sighted to have them lose their first big match. At least give it a chance and run with the hot angle. I don’t get it.
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