gl83
Hank Scorpio
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Post by gl83 on May 14, 2023 17:18:36 GMT -5
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A Little Doo Doo
Salacious Crumb
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on May 14, 2023 17:22:32 GMT -5
I guess when Charlotte comes back we're supposed to forget her heel turn before WM?
Also, they need to split Damage CTRL and turn either Bayley or Iyo face. The SD face side needs more dependable singles wrestlers (Shotzi's my girl but she's a tag wrestler, same with Zelina and Aliyah. Mia Yim's good, but she's not really over enough yet.)
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Post by Hypnosis on May 14, 2023 17:27:26 GMT -5
With Damage CTRL likely breaking up soon, Iyo's not on that list at all?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 17:45:12 GMT -5
With Damage CTRL likely breaking up soon, Iyo's not on that list at all? Guessing they just have them tied to Bayley right now untill they break up. Also this list means diddly squat because anyone else remember when they had another one of these and Ricochet was apparently the 2nd biggest babyface on SD?.
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dbrussel
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Post by dbrussel on May 14, 2023 17:45:25 GMT -5
Aliyah wasnt even drafted. I call that list fishy. The men's one looked more realistic.
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Nosnorb
El Dandy
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Post by Nosnorb on May 14, 2023 17:46:51 GMT -5
I assume that for Raw, Mami is on top.
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asuka007
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Post by asuka007 on May 14, 2023 18:09:09 GMT -5
The heel side of things are, yikes!
Honestly the whole list just shows how incredibly top heavy the division has been portrayed.
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tenshi
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Post by tenshi on May 14, 2023 22:50:15 GMT -5
I assume that for Raw, Mami is on top. In the heels side of things, you have Rhea, Trish, Chelsea and Sonya, Emma, Valhalla and Zoey Stark while the faces side has Becky, Liv and Raquel, Nikki, Candice, Indi, Tegan... but Nattie is the one getting a title shot...
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Post by theironyuppie on May 14, 2023 23:09:39 GMT -5
The heel side of things are, yikes! Honestly the whole list just shows how incredibly top heavy the division has been portrayed. Yeah, it's an interesting division in that until Charlotte turns, the top heels are all women Bianca's beaten multiple times before. (Bianca's technically also beaten her twice too, but they were via DQ and on Raw back in 2021.)
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asuka007
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Post by asuka007 on May 14, 2023 23:36:19 GMT -5
And we don’t even know when Charlotte will be back? She seemingly has multiple other interests right now.
I do not blame her there TBC. But WWE needs to book better to compensate for that regardless.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 15, 2023 3:49:32 GMT -5
I guess when Charlotte comes back we're supposed to forget her heel turn before WM? Also, they need to split Damage CTRL and turn either Bayley or Iyo face. The SD face side needs more dependable singles wrestlers (Shotzi's my girl but she's a tag wrestler, same with Zelina and Aliyah. Mia Yim's good, but she's not really over enough yet.) Why not they apparently forgot that Asuka has been heel since like the Royal Rumble...
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 15, 2023 4:32:35 GMT -5
The divisions still suffer from being way too small and being booked as if it were way larger. Like, look at the male roster. They have their tippy-top guys and enhancement guys too, but there's a big fleshy middle bit that someone not at the top can use to bridge the gap to it just through sheer number of wins. The women's divisions don't have that. They have tippy-top, which I'd say are Belair, Ripley, Flair, Lynch and (even though she wants to work in the tag division) Rousey, and like three people in that middle bit, which I'd say are Asuka, Rodriguez and Bayley. Everyone else is seemingly enhancement, barely above it or completely new as to not fall into any category yet (the recent NXT callups), and have little or no rub to give at this point in time because they're not going to devote TV time to give those people wins just for that purpose.
And that's even before you account for the genre-awareness of the fanbase beyond the storyline or feud that would be ongoing. To put it simply, TV would tell you that Zelina Vega was a chance of beating Rhea Ripley at Backlash, but us fans on here wouldn't buy it for even half a second, because "Ripley just won the thing, she's not losing it this early" or "They're protecting her for a big match with Belair down the line at a Big 4 show" or other stuff like that beyond that specific scope. And that would probably be true for anyone that Ripley or Belair fights that isn't Flair, Lynch or Rousey.
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Post by mistery on May 15, 2023 9:05:03 GMT -5
The interesting thing to point out here though is that Bianca is going to get mixed reactions from fans as well. The fact that WWE has (or had) three PLEs in countries where audiences are more hostile towards her isn't going to help her. We had Puerto Rico where she ended up being one of the biggest heels of the night, we have Saudi Arabia where reactions to her are super mixed at best (and Asuka is very much liked by Saudi fans), and then we have MITB in the UK which is somewhat hostile towards Bianca.
And of course after that we have Summerslam in Detroit which is one of the smarkiest events of the year.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 15, 2023 10:38:46 GMT -5
The divisions still suffer from being way too small and being booked as if it were way larger. Like, look at the male roster. They have their tippy-top guys and enhancement guys too, but there's a big fleshy middle bit that someone not at the top can use to bridge the gap to it just through sheer number of wins. The women's divisions don't have that. They have tippy-top, which I'd say are Belair, Ripley, Flair, Lynch and (even though she wants to work in the tag division) Rousey, and like three people in that middle bit, which I'd say are Asuka, Rodriguez and Bayley. Everyone else is seemingly enhancement, barely above it or completely new as to not fall into any category yet (the recent NXT callups), and have little or no rub to give at this point in time because they're not going to devote TV time to give those people wins just for that purpose. And that's even before you account for the genre-awareness of the fanbase beyond the storyline or feud that would be ongoing. To put it simply, TV would tell you that Zelina Vega was a chance of beating Rhea Ripley at Backlash, but us fans on here wouldn't buy it for even half a second, because "Ripley just won the thing, she's not losing it this early" or "They're protecting her for a big match with Belair down the line at a Big 4 show" or other stuff like that beyond that specific scope. And that would probably be true for anyone that Ripley or Belair fights that isn't Flair, Lynch or Rousey. They definitely can still use some more talent in the division. Zoey for Raw was a nice add, but Roxanne is also ready in my opinion and should be brought up soon and pushed. Naomi and Sasha leaving and Ronda going to the tag division definitely took out some depth.
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Post by clc on May 15, 2023 10:45:02 GMT -5
I don't think the UK is particularly hostile toward Bianca. I think they just really love Bayley over there. So when you have anyone vs Bayley the crowd is going to be singing for "Hey Bayley". I think Puerto Rico was the only crowd awesome enough to outright boo her! She still gets mostly cheers. She might not be the crowds favorite, like Asuka and Bayley seemed to get bigger cheers on the Europe tour. Becky generally gets bigger cheers. I do know if I'm going to a live event, I'm going to boo her, but there will be plenty of little kids screaming E-S-T.
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J is Justice
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Post by J is Justice on May 15, 2023 12:26:34 GMT -5
Well... at least Aliyah's on the list, lol.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 15, 2023 12:36:41 GMT -5
I cannot help but feel bad for Tamina that she's apparently considered a lower priority than B-Fab of all people.
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XIII
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Post by XIII on May 15, 2023 12:56:46 GMT -5
Women’s divisions are a wasteland outside of the top few ladies.
There are tiers:
Top Stars Women that are over but will lose to the top stars Screen fillers Why are they on the roster?
Scarlett isn’t even a wrestler at this point. lol
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 15, 2023 13:41:32 GMT -5
Imagine being B-Fab and seeing that you're below the girl who doesn't even wrestle, lmaooooooooo.
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asuka007
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Post by asuka007 on May 15, 2023 13:53:53 GMT -5
Scarlett has wrestled like one TV match as well.
You have the unholy combination of Bianca being arguably the most OP wrestler in WWE, Charlotte still getting super booking when she’s there, and WWE putting little effort into anyone else.
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