The True Crime Thread

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If we can have a general thread for indie wrestling over in (w)rest I figured why not one for true crime over here?

Anyway, when going down the rabbit hole of that YouTuber thread one channel I found was Coffeehouse Crime: youtube.com/@coffeehousecrime

Although they cover at least a YouTuber/Tik Toker or two most of the videos aren’t about that so I didn’t want to shoehorn this comment into that other thread. The guy who runs the channel does a great job of covering some fairly obscure cases in around 20 minutes. He covers more well known stuff too, but I’m more interested in the ones I hadn’t heard about before

[Spider2024]

Love dat game.

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Jun 3, 2023 10:32:57 GMT -5 Spider2024 said:

Love dat game.

I’m sorry I thought my OP made it obvious. I was referring to the 1999 Clint Eastwood film.

[jobber2thestars]

There is currently a true crime story playing out in Massachusetts. A Boston cop was found dead in the driveway of his neighbors home (under a few inches of snow). The cop’s girlfriend was said to have killed him after she backed over over his body while she was drunk. Upon looking at the body, the cop was found to be badly beaten, with what looks to be dog bites all over his body.

The cover up comes in when you find the driveway is in the home of a local politician who has connections to local and state police. One of the occupants of the home googled how long it takes to die in the snow, and another sold the house where the crime supposedly happened, as well as selling the family dog (nobody seems to know who now owns the dog).

An independent journalist (who recently uncovered animal abuse at a local shelter) was the first person to look into the story and is getting it the coverage it deserves.

Here is a link to all the stories on the issue: tbdailynews.com/tag/canton-cover-up/

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I’ve been revisiting a couple of old cases where I particularly feel for the victims mostly because due to life experience I could easily see myself in the victim’s shoes.

The first is the Randy Stair shooting in East Township, PA. For those who don’t know Stair was a YouTuber who worked overnight retail and killed 3 co-workers before turning the gun on himself. I actually worked overnight retail and you get plenty of oddballs in that line of work. In other words if I was working with a Randy Stair type back then my co-workers and I probably wouldn’t have known anything before it was too late. His co-workers weren’t living some glamours lives or anything. They all just showed up to work, at an almost definitely low wage, retail job at odd hours. And got killed for it.

The other one was the murder of Rie Isogai. Isogai was an office worker who was saving up to buy her single mother a house. She commuted to her job on foot which meant walking through the dark streets at odd hours to return home. Unfortunately during the last of these journeys three criminals who had met on the dark web abducted, robbed, and murdered her. At least one of the criminals confessed and all three were caught. I relate to this one because I used to work second shift in Hyde Park, MA and had to walk through to Mattapan (a rougher area of Boston) most nights at odd hours.

[Nr1Humanoid]

Jeffrey McDonald, sincerely, from me to you; up yours.

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I check out this one today (possible language warning though I think it’s all safe): youtu.be/nhnn_KoBf7I

[XIII]

I’ve been following the Idaho college murder case and homeboy is by no means a criminal mastermind. LMAO.

[SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman]

Jun 3, 2023 15:07:45 GMT -5 jobber2thestars said:

There is currently a true crime story playing out in Massachusetts. A Boston cop was found dead in the driveway of his neighbors home (under a few inches of snow). The cop’s girlfriend was said to have killed him after she backed over over his body while she was drunk. Upon looking at the body, the cop was found to be badly beaten, with what looks to be dog bites all over his body.

The cover up comes in when you find the driveway is in the home of a local politician who has connections to local and state police. One of the occupants of the home googled how long it takes to die in the snow, and another sold the house where the crime supposedly happened, as well as selling the family dog (nobody seems to know who now owns the dog).

An independent journalist (who recently uncovered animal abuse at a local shelter) was the first person to look into the story and is getting it the coverage it deserves.

Here is a link to all the stories on the issue: tbdailynews.com/tag/canton-cover-up/

Wait, I'm confused as to the very beginning of the story. The cop's body ended up in his neighbour's driveway, and his girlfriend coincidentally ended up backing up in that very driveway instead of her own in a drunken stupor, accidentally killing him in the process? Am I understanding that correctly or am I misunderstanding something here?

Edit: Took a look at that blog and, to put it politely, it doesn't exactly seem like a reputable source. Looking at other ones, the possibility of a cover-up doesn't seem far fetched and that is what the defense is claiming is going on, but I'd take anything written by this specific site with a fistful of salt.

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Jun 16, 2023 16:11:14 GMT -5 SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman said:

Jun 3, 2023 15:07:45 GMT -5 jobber2thestars said:

There is currently a true crime story playing out in Massachusetts. A Boston cop was found dead in the driveway of his neighbors home (under a few inches of snow). The cop’s girlfriend was said to have killed him after she backed over over his body while she was drunk. Upon looking at the body, the cop was found to be badly beaten, with what looks to be dog bites all over his body.

The cover up comes in when you find the driveway is in the home of a local politician who has connections to local and state police. One of the occupants of the home googled how long it takes to die in the snow, and another sold the house where the crime supposedly happened, as well as selling the family dog (nobody seems to know who now owns the dog).

An independent journalist (who recently uncovered animal abuse at a local shelter) was the first person to look into the story and is getting it the coverage it deserves.

Here is a link to all the stories on the issue: tbdailynews.com/tag/canton-cover-up/

Wait, I'm confused as to the very beginning of the story. The cop's body ended up in his neighbour's driveway, and his girlfriend coincidentally ended up backing up in that very driveway instead of her own in a drunken stupor, accidentally killing him in the process? Am I understanding that correctly or am I misunderstanding something here?

Edit: Took a look at that blog and, to put it politely, it doesn't exactly seem like a reputable source. Looking at other ones, the possibility of a cover-up doesn't seem far fetched and that is what the defense is claiming is going on, but I'd take anything written by this specific site with a fistful of salt.

Lol, yeah it’s a weird story and unfortunately the source seems sketchy as hell. I tried to read up on the source when the story first came out and all that sticks out is him bitching about his conflict with some no-name activist. That and his Facebook pages keep getting deleted (which he in part blamed on the no-name activist). My interest wained by that point so I didn’t care enough to look into it further.

Oh well, it’s an unfortunate product of legacy media and law enforcement failing, sometimes seemingly in concert with one another. Sometimes the closest thing we get to accurate reporting comes from just some guy.

[DZ: WF Legacy]

The Delphi case is an insane roller-coaster if you look into it. I'm about 90 minutes away from there and even closer to the prison where the accused killer is currently being housed, so I've been following it pretty closely these past six years. The guy arrested who may have brutally killed those two teen girls off the bridge just went through a suppression hearing yesterday, and they revealed that he has made several incriminating statements and possible confessions while there. The defense tried to suppress recordings from the prison but the judge ruled in favor of the state, so those recordings probably contain some of that.

The case is a clusterf*** of police/FBI mishandlings and all kinds of circumstantial evidence, including a different man who catfished one of the girls who just last month pleaded guilty for other...nasty charges. It really looked like this particular guy and possibly his own father were using the catfish account according to some leaked documents, but his dad isn't arrested as of now, only him. They let the catfisher go free for years before arresting him in 2020. Last year he supposedly finally gave up some info, and they wind up searching the Wabash river for over a month, a week or 2 later they're in his grandparent's burnpit, a week after that they arrived at the killer's backyard with a search warrant. There is no publicly known connection between the catfisher and the killer at this time. If I had to guess, maybe they (or the dad) knew each other by screen names or something, and he provided the info to him about the girls going to the bridge. We don't know, a lot of data was lost or mishandled, but it certainly seems likely with him searching for the gas station (with the surveillance tape corrupted or lost in some way because of course) the morning of the murders in a town 40 minutes away.

Hopefully we'll find out more soon as documents get unsealed next week.

[JasonVoorhees1988]

I've fallen down the Buzzfeed Unsolved hole recently. Love this dark stuff.

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I’ve been trying to find more YouTubers that make short true crime videos that cover cases/topics I haven’t already heard about before. I found Disturban whose presentation I really like, but there’s a lot of the topics he covers I haven’t heard about before. They’re TOO gruesome.

I’m going to soldier ahead, but will definitely space out my consumption.

[SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman]

Jun 16, 2023 17:35:49 GMT -5 DZ: WF Legacy said:

The Delphi case is an insane roller-coaster if you look into it. I'm about 90 minutes away from there and even closer to the prison where the accused killer is currently being housed, so I've been following it pretty closely these past six years. The guy arrested who may have brutally killed those two teen girls off the bridge just went through a suppression hearing yesterday, and they revealed that he has made several incriminating statements and possible confessions while there. The defense tried to suppress recordings from the prison but the judge ruled in favor of the state, so those recordings probably contain some of that.

The case is a clusterf*** of police/FBI mishandlings and all kinds of circumstantial evidence, including a different man who catfished one of the girls who just last month pleaded guilty for other...nasty charges. It really looked like this particular guy and possibly his own father were using the catfish account according to some leaked documents, but his dad isn't arrested as of now, only him. They let the catfisher go free for years before arresting him in 2020. Last year he supposedly finally gave up some info, and they wind up searching the Wabash river for over a month, a week or 2 later they're in his grandparent's burnpit, a week after that they arrived at the killer's backyard with a search warrant. There is no publicly known connection between the catfisher and the killer at this time. If I had to guess, maybe they (or the dad) knew each other by screen names or something, and he provided the info to him about the girls going to the bridge. We don't know, a lot of data was lost or mishandled, but it certainly seems likely with him searching for the gas station (with the surveillance tape corrupted or lost in some way because of course) the morning of the murders in a town 40 minutes away.

Hopefully we'll find out more soon as documents get unsealed next week.

I was wondering if there was any news about that one as the last I heard of it was the catfisher being arrested and considered a prime suspect. Really sucks that it apparently isn't him, meaning that not only is the killer still not found but there's a tleast on more predator out there.

Also, one thing that I always wondered: are we sure there was only one person involved? I know the footage recorded by one of the girls showed a single man following them (assuming that's the killer, of course), but the sound record that was released had him say "Guys... down the hill" which seems to imply he was speaking to someone else, if not in person then by phone. Even if only one person killed them, isn't there a chance that he had accomplices for a different part of the crime?

[DZ: WF Legacy]

Jun 17, 2023 3:48:56 GMT -5 SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman said:

Jun 16, 2023 17:35:49 GMT -5 DZ: WF Legacy said:

The Delphi case is an insane roller-coaster if you look into it. I'm about 90 minutes away from there and even closer to the prison where the accused killer is currently being housed, so I've been following it pretty closely these past six years. The guy arrested who may have brutally killed those two teen girls off the bridge just went through a suppression hearing yesterday, and they revealed that he has made several incriminating statements and possible confessions while there. The defense tried to suppress recordings from the prison but the judge ruled in favor of the state, so those recordings probably contain some of that.

The case is a clusterf*** of police/FBI mishandlings and all kinds of circumstantial evidence, including a different man who catfished one of the girls who just last month pleaded guilty for other...nasty charges. It really looked like this particular guy and possibly his own father were using the catfish account according to some leaked documents, but his dad isn't arrested as of now, only him. They let the catfisher go free for years before arresting him in 2020. Last year he supposedly finally gave up some info, and they wind up searching the Wabash river for over a month, a week or 2 later they're in his grandparent's burnpit, a week after that they arrived at the killer's backyard with a search warrant. There is no publicly known connection between the catfisher and the killer at this time. If I had to guess, maybe they (or the dad) knew each other by screen names or something, and he provided the info to him about the girls going to the bridge. We don't know, a lot of data was lost or mishandled, but it certainly seems likely with him searching for the gas station (with the surveillance tape corrupted or lost in some way because of course) the morning of the murders in a town 40 minutes away.

Hopefully we'll find out more soon as documents get unsealed next week.

I was wondering if there was any news about that one as the last I heard of it was the catfisher being arrested and considered a prime suspect. Really sucks that it apparently isn't him, meaning that not only is the killer still not found but there's a tleast on more predator out there.

Also, one thing that I always wondered: are we sure there was only one person involved? I know the footage recorded by one of the girls showed a single man following them (assuming that's the killer, of course), but the sound record that was released had him say "Guys... down the hill" which seems to imply he was speaking to someone else, if not in person then by phone. Even if only one person killed them, isn't there a chance that he had accomplices for a different part of the crime?

Glad to hear someone else familiar with the case!

Doug Carter of ISP has stated that there are many "tentacles" involved in this case, and the prosecutor told a judge that they believe other actors are involved. The man on the bridge who kidnapped the girls at gunpoint is almost definitely Allen, the man they arrested. He's unusually short like bridge guy, has similar clothes, told people he was there that day on the platform 'watching fish', he vanishes for 2+ hours where no witnesses saw him even though he claimed to be there, and they found the unspent bullet with markings on it believed to be from his gun. All that evidence plus him apparently confessing things in prison make me think they definitely have the right person. We still don't know what they uncovered at his house other than the gun, a blue jacket (is it *the* jacket?), and the rumors of them digging up his deceased cat for pet hair evidence. We know they're after pet hair - they took the catfisher's dog when they raided his dad's house. It'd be nuts if that's what helps solve the case!

I personally think you're right on with the idea of accomplices involved in some way. I don't know if they were physically there that day or just online creeps. The ISP's last plea for the public's help before Allen's arrest was asking people if they ever talked to the catfisher's account on some app called Yellow. It apparently is an app full of predators and has livestreaming capability. God knows what that means. Without going into the details too much, the girls were strangely said to have 'no signs of a struggle' according to an early document, which makes me wonder if they were detained in some way and couldn't defend themselves. Did he do it, or did he have help that day physically as you said? Was someone waiting across the river, and that's why they had to cross it down the hill? Feb in Indiana, even on a 'warmer' day as it was described, is cold, and a river must've been freezing. Either they ran for it or they had to cross it to meet the other actor imo.

The PCA also revealed that a witness saw bridge guy 'bloody and muddy' walking alongside the road after the murders. I found that to be shocking as we had no idea the guy was seen after. I wonder if that was the aftermath from the girls or if he got in a physical fight with someone else for things going wrong, because why on EARTH would he plan this out so specifically with careful parking and whatnot but not plan an exit? Was someone supposed to drive him back to his car afterwards, but whatever those sickos were going to do didn't go as planned, so he ditched him? That's all speculation obviously, but I wonder.

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I found this one on Reddit

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Jun 17, 2023 0:36:56 GMT -5 KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! said:

I’ve been trying to find more YouTubers that make short true crime videos that cover cases/topics I haven’t already heard about before. I found Disturban whose presentation I really like, but there’s a lot of the topics he covers I haven’t heard about before. They’re TOO gruesome.

I’m going to soldier ahead, but will definitely space out my consumption.

That Chapter is pretty entertaining. He has a wide variety, he’s Irish, and he works humor in when he can. Good stuff

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Jun 17, 2023 15:46:08 GMT -5 XIII said:

Jun 17, 2023 0:36:56 GMT -5 KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! said:

I’ve been trying to find more YouTubers that make short true crime videos that cover cases/topics I haven’t already heard about before. I found Disturban whose presentation I really like, but there’s a lot of the topics he covers I haven’t heard about before. They’re TOO gruesome.

I’m going to soldier ahead, but will definitely space out my consumption.

That Chapter is pretty entertaining. He has a wide variety, he’s Irish, and he works humor in when he can. Good stuff

I’ll try it out Browsing through it looks like there’s a good amount of stuff I haven’t heard of before.

I really like videos that have multiple stories and are like 30 minutes or less. I don’t mind if it goes longer, but sometimes things drag out too much.

Wavy Web Surf has a bunch of videos like that, but I’ve already gobbled up most of the ones I’m interested in. The first Mr. Nightmare video I saw too I REALLY liked, but most of that channel’s other videos don’t do much for me. It seems like a lot of generic campfire tales crap, at least some of which is done with text to speech.

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Wavywebsurf uploaded this yesterday: youtu.be/wR6xuQ7dvAw

A great hodgepodge of 5 different frauds and scammers.

Some thoughts on two of the cases covered:

Kayla Massa: YouTube influencer who used her clout to get bank account info from her fans as part of a larger criminal enterprise.
-I wouldn’t be surprised if she was the fall person for this and someone else higher in the criminal enterprise got away with a good chunk of the cash. Although roughly $1,000.00 a pop seems pretty low for any real criminal mastermind to bother with.

Blu3 Ghos57: A couple with a kid who get in car accidents on purpose to scam insurance companies then upload the dash cam footage for YouTube views.
-This case was next level stupid. One of the worst parts about it was that the couple got off fairly lightly, especially considering child endangerment was factored in.

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If you haven’t already go watch some videos on Grant Amato. This dude was borrowing money from his parents “to fund a Twitch career” but actually he was paying a Bulgarian cam model that he thought was his girlfriend. He paid this chick $200K. Once his family found out they cut him off so he killed his parents and brother. There’s a ton of interrogation footage too. Stuff is wild.