Burst
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Post by Burst on Jun 13, 2023 19:18:17 GMT -5
Just forbid powermods altogether. It's absurd that people can officially be mods on hundreds of subs, meaning there's no way in hell that they actually are actively modding 99% of them, but they do abuse their powers when they see fit. And also, crazy thought but maybe, you know... pay your mods? I feel like these two kind of go hand-in-hand. I've seen it with mods and admins in various flavors of nerd and geek circles over the years... Having someone that's a 'full time mod' in the way you're describing, in any sort of situation where it's a volunteer or otherwise unpaid role, tends to be a hell of a red flag, because who ends up actually having the time to do that? Neckbeards and such with little to no offline life experience who are either willfully unemployed or unemployable, and who tend to be problematic in pretty much exactly the ways you described. I've seen it play out much the same way in Telegram groups and Discord servers; the folks who are actually essentially online 24/7 are exactly the folks you DON'T want with the relevant authority, more often than not. How much making a mod/admin gig an actual job would help alleviate that would definitely depend on what the job requirements and actual pay were, but it'd still be hard for it to not be a step above what you get with the average powermod.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 13, 2023 20:32:13 GMT -5
Power mods should definitely not be a thing. Though I'm guessing I'm lucky in that the mods of the subs I go to are picked from members of the community as opposed to some outsider who's a mod on a bunch of completely unrelated other subs.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jun 13, 2023 22:21:36 GMT -5
In less than an hour, the one's that were effected should be back up. If not by tomorrow morning at the latest.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 13, 2023 22:31:49 GMT -5
Never got into Reddit, it never actually appealed to me
Every now and again I'll see stuff there and glance at articles or art but for the most part I have largely avoided it entirely and now I'm glad I did lol
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 13, 2023 22:41:04 GMT -5
am I expected to just beat Yakuza 0 using my own skill here, lets get a move on
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 13, 2023 22:53:50 GMT -5
Is this why I can’t access the Dark souls subreddit?
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Post by mc74 on Jun 13, 2023 22:58:11 GMT -5
Is this why I can’t access the Dark souls subreddit? Yeah, many subreddits have been locked down because of this. The site is pretty much inaccessible to the public.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 14, 2023 0:30:17 GMT -5
Is this why I can’t access the Dark souls subreddit? Yeah, many subreddits have been locked down because of this. The site is pretty much inaccessible to the public. Yeah, some are going dark for 48 hours, while others are closing until Reddit reverses its stance.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Jun 14, 2023 0:42:35 GMT -5
am I expected to just beat Yakuza 0 using my own skill here, lets get a move on Why not use GameFAQs for Yakuza 0 help? Yes, it still exists as a website! I am also shocked by this!
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Post by mc74 on Jun 14, 2023 0:44:31 GMT -5
Yeah, many subreddits have been locked down because of this. The site is pretty much inaccessible to the public. Yeah, some are going dark for 48 hours, while others are closing until Reddit reverses its stance. Reddit plans to go forward with it regardless. The CEO assured the employees it will blow over. I have my doubts.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Jun 14, 2023 0:58:20 GMT -5
Yeah, some are going dark for 48 hours, while others are closing until Reddit reverses its stance. Reddit plans to go forward with it regardless. The CEO assured the employees it will blow over. I have my doubts.
He might as well ended with “PURPLE MONKEY DISHWASHER”
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Jun 14, 2023 2:38:30 GMT -5
The upvote/downvote system is good for hiding trolls' comments but it also means any sub that discusses controversial or political topics will be an echo chamber.
I like old Reddits retro and user-friendly layout and probably won't bother once they get rid of it as new Reddit looks and feels ghastly to navigate (Goodreads is another site that has gone for a similar clunky style).
I do dislike the culture of the site sometimes, there's a lot of truth in the "To be fair you have to have a pretty high IQ to understand Rick and Morty..." stereotype of redditors. I find many redditors to be people of mediocre intelligence who consider themselves geniuses because 30 years ago a nervous substitute teacher who just wanted the class to like her called them "gifted" for doing paint-by-numbers and not going over the lines (much).
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Post by ppl591 on Jun 14, 2023 4:00:21 GMT -5
While there's so absolute trash on that site there is a lot of good too. When my dad passed I ended joining griefsupport and I didn't feel so alone anymore. It's evolved into me checking almost daily to support others and it's really helped the grieving. I don't agree with what the company is doing just wanted to share a positive story from there.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 14, 2023 4:25:21 GMT -5
There's talk that reddit are stripping mod powers from people who support the strike to try and force subreddits back public. It's mostly through the grapevine stuff, but it's something they've done before in usually failed attempts to control troll subs they've gone out of their way to avoid banning.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jun 14, 2023 5:49:21 GMT -5
Tbh most of these people are lamebrains with nothing better to do - but perhaps it wasn't for the best to centralize 99% of all forums on one platform!
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 15, 2023 3:53:27 GMT -5
I think Reddit is pulling a heel move, obviously, but a lot of the backlash also felt like mods who liked having certain tools being mad about those tools being potentially taken away, lessening their control over what they see as their personal fiefdom, then tacked on an "oh shit...some people who have certain disabilities are also affected by this!" angle which they likely weren't even aware of initially. It may sound harsh, but I think for me the smoking gun is how the majority of subreddits that announced they were doing a "Reddit blackout" to protest initially announced it was a measly 48 hours. Consider how Reddit-addicted they had to be to think their epic protest would have any weight whatsoever with a damn expiration date attached. "I can probably stay away for 2 days, max...that'll work!"
Of course, there are plenty of places that have gone dark indefinitely, and other places I've seen get teased into doing it because they initially announced a 48 hour blackout only for users to say "Haha, just 2 days? Badass protest you got there, Mr. Mod" leading to them changing it to being indefinite to save face, but eh...feels kind of silly to me overall. I also wish more subreddits polled the actual community to see if they're down. Some I'm subscribed to did in fact ask users, but a lot more had the mods unilaterally decide they were doing it. I'm not particularly affected overall because I have plenty of other irons in the fire, but I am mildly irritated that the MMA subreddit shut down after the mod just declared that the subreddit was going to go offline without consulting the community, used it promote himself/plug his Twitter, then created a splinter community on a service no one has ever heard of that is entirely him posting to himself, which illustrates for me the kind of vibes this protest has. Shoutouts to that guy.
Overall, Alien vs Predator matchup. Reddit is Alien, the mods are Predator. Has something resembling a code of honor, probably not someone you want visiting your planet regardless.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 15, 2023 3:57:32 GMT -5
I think Reddit is pulling a heel move, obviously, but a lot of the backlash also felt like mods who liked having certain tools being mad about those tools being potentially taken away, lessening their control over what they see as their personal fiefdom, then tacked on an "oh shit...some people who have certain disabilities are also affected by this!" angle which they likely weren't even aware of initially. It may sound harsh, but I think for me the smoking gun is how the majority of subreddits that announced they were doing a "Reddit blackout" to protest initially announced it was a measly 48 hours. Consider how Reddit-addicted they had to be to think their epic protest would have any weight whatsoever with a damn expiration date attached. "I can probably stay away for 2 days, max...that'll work!" Of course, there are plenty of places that have gone dark indefinitely, and other places I've seen get teased into doing it because they initially announced a 48 hour blackout only for users to say "Haha, just 2 days? Badass protest you got there, Mr. Mod" leading to them changing it to being indefinite to save face, but eh...feels kind of silly to me overall. I also wish more subreddits polled the actual community to see if they're down. Some I'm subscribed to did in fact ask users, but a lot more had the mods unilaterally decide they were doing it. I'm not particularly affected overall because I have plenty of other irons in the fire, but I am mildly irritated that the MMA subreddit shut down after the mod just declared that the subreddit was going to go offline without consulting the community, used it promote himself/plug his Twitter, then created a splinter community on a service no one has ever heard of that is entirely him posting to himself, which illustrates for me the kind of vibes this protest has. Shoutouts to that guy. Overall, Alien vs Predator matchup. Reddit is Alien, the mods are Predator. Has something resembling a code of honor, probably not someone you want visiting your planet regardless. I agree with the polling. Marvelstudios polled the community, and the majority agreed with going dark. On the flip side, SquaredCircle didn't poll the community and just said "We're going dark indefinitely", and ignored when people were complaining about the community having no choice in the matter, and the decision being made by a few mods.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 15, 2023 4:06:01 GMT -5
Reddit going down permanently would actually be the equivalent of the Library of Alexandria burning, so much knowledge would be lost because Reddit swallowed up all of the old forums that used to have this information. Seriously... try looking for just about any tech topic on the internet at least half the results are some random REddit on the subject... and currently most of them are gone...
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 15, 2023 4:34:03 GMT -5
I think Reddit is pulling a heel move, obviously, but a lot of the backlash also felt like mods who liked having certain tools being mad about those tools being potentially taken away, lessening their control over what they see as their personal fiefdom, then tacked on an "oh shit...some people who have certain disabilities are also affected by this!" angle which they likely weren't even aware of initially. It may sound harsh, but I think for me the smoking gun is how the majority of subreddits that announced they were doing a "Reddit blackout" to protest initially announced it was a measly 48 hours. Consider how Reddit-addicted they had to be to think their epic protest would have any weight whatsoever with a damn expiration date attached. "I can probably stay away for 2 days, max...that'll work!" Of course, there are plenty of places that have gone dark indefinitely, and other places I've seen get teased into doing it because they initially announced a 48 hour blackout only for users to say "Haha, just 2 days? Badass protest you got there, Mr. Mod" leading to them changing it to being indefinite to save face, but eh...feels kind of silly to me overall. I also wish more subreddits polled the actual community to see if they're down. Some I'm subscribed to did in fact ask users, but a lot more had the mods unilaterally decide they were doing it. I'm not particularly affected overall because I have plenty of other irons in the fire, but I am mildly irritated that the MMA subreddit shut down after the mod just declared that the subreddit was going to go offline without consulting the community, used it promote himself/plug his Twitter, then created a splinter community on a service no one has ever heard of that is entirely him posting to himself, which illustrates for me the kind of vibes this protest has. Shoutouts to that guy. Overall, Alien vs Predator matchup. Reddit is Alien, the mods are Predator. Has something resembling a code of honor, probably not someone you want visiting your planet regardless. I agree with the polling. Marvelstudios polled the community, and the majority agreed with going dark. On the flip side, SquaredCircle didn't poll the community and just said "We're going dark indefinitely", and ignored when people were complaining about the community having no choice in the matter, and the decision being made by a few mods. I know the MMA subreddit has over 2 million subscribers, and I think SquaredCircle has pretty big numbers too. They could have gotten a statistically significant amount of responses if they bothered polling anyone, but it's just a mod power trip.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 15, 2023 5:53:02 GMT -5
I think Reddit is pulling a heel move, obviously, but a lot of the backlash also felt like mods who liked having certain tools being mad about those tools being potentially taken away, lessening their control over what they see as their personal fiefdom, then tacked on an "oh shit...some people who have certain disabilities are also affected by this!" angle which they likely weren't even aware of initially. It may sound harsh, but I think for me the smoking gun is how the majority of subreddits that announced they were doing a "Reddit blackout" to protest initially announced it was a measly 48 hours. Consider how Reddit-addicted they had to be to think their epic protest would have any weight whatsoever with a damn expiration date attached. "I can probably stay away for 2 days, max...that'll work!" Of course, there are plenty of places that have gone dark indefinitely, and other places I've seen get teased into doing it because they initially announced a 48 hour blackout only for users to say "Haha, just 2 days? Badass protest you got there, Mr. Mod" leading to them changing it to being indefinite to save face, but eh...feels kind of silly to me overall. I also wish more subreddits polled the actual community to see if they're down. Some I'm subscribed to did in fact ask users, but a lot more had the mods unilaterally decide they were doing it. I'm not particularly affected overall because I have plenty of other irons in the fire, but I am mildly irritated that the MMA subreddit shut down after the mod just declared that the subreddit was going to go offline without consulting the community, used it promote himself/plug his Twitter, then created a splinter community on a service no one has ever heard of that is entirely him posting to himself, which illustrates for me the kind of vibes this protest has. Shoutouts to that guy. Overall, Alien vs Predator matchup. Reddit is Alien, the mods are Predator. Has something resembling a code of honor, probably not someone you want visiting your planet regardless. Not trying to be a dick but this post shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue. For one, the blackouts were largely pushed and supported by regular users, not just mods. And yes, of course it's about "mods who liked having certain tools being mad about those tools being potentially taken away", but to say it's because it's "lessening their control over what they see as their personal fiefdom" is nonsense. It's also a very weird argument to make when grasping for power is exactly what Reddit and its admins are doing with this move. Aside from the fact that I don't see how removing third-party apps would weaken their control over the userbase, it's been explained over and over again that mods rely on these tools to actually do their job (sorry, their _voluntary work_ since, again, mods don't get paid despite providing a corporation with a professional service they profit from), as the official app lacks tools that they and regular users have been requesting for years and have been promised for nearly a decade now but have yet to be implemented. This has allowed them to combat bad actors. Reddit has an already big enough problem with brigading as it is, particularly from transphobes and White supremacists, I'd rather not imagine what it'll be like with mods having even fewer tools at their disposal. And don't get me started on how suspiciously permissive Spez is with pedophiles, against whom mods will basically powerless as they've had to rely pretty much entirely on third-party apps to stop those. As for the length of the protest, I'm not sure what you're complaining about, exactly. Like with any protest, it's an ongoing effort with constant reconsideration as to where to take it. You acknowledge yourself that many subs, including some of the biggest ones, have gone dark indefinitely and others are discussing prolonging their efforts after the 48-hours blackout. Said discussions also makes your next argument even weirder as you claim that mods unilaterally made the decision to have the sub go dark when that's just objectively untrue in most cases. And again, in many cases the 48-hours blackout was a start, and the whole sub is being involved in deciding what to do next. So like, you're simultaneously criticizing mods both for supposedly abusing their powers and for not going hard enough. Literally all Reddit had to do is to either 1. let third-party apps be or 2. finally provide the tools they promised nearly a decade ago. It's not only doing neither but on top of that, it's expecting third-parties to pay THEM for the privilege of moderating their site.
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