Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 15, 2023 6:05:22 GMT -5
What I've realized after a couple days is how much I used Reddit for very specific types of "non important" news. I don't mean like every day news or world wide stuff. More like... if I wanted to keep in touch with a sports team? A 30 second trip to that team's subreddit would keep you up to date on about everything noteworthy. If I wanted to see what was going on at my alma mater... 30 seconds on the subreddit and I'd know of anything major or interesting.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 15, 2023 6:14:49 GMT -5
I think Reddit is pulling a heel move, obviously, but a lot of the backlash also felt like mods who liked having certain tools being mad about those tools being potentially taken away, lessening their control over what they see as their personal fiefdom, then tacked on an "oh shit...some people who have certain disabilities are also affected by this!" angle which they likely weren't even aware of initially. It may sound harsh, but I think for me the smoking gun is how the majority of subreddits that announced they were doing a "Reddit blackout" to protest initially announced it was a measly 48 hours. Consider how Reddit-addicted they had to be to think their epic protest would have any weight whatsoever with a damn expiration date attached. "I can probably stay away for 2 days, max...that'll work!" Of course, there are plenty of places that have gone dark indefinitely, and other places I've seen get teased into doing it because they initially announced a 48 hour blackout only for users to say "Haha, just 2 days? Badass protest you got there, Mr. Mod" leading to them changing it to being indefinite to save face, but eh...feels kind of silly to me overall. I also wish more subreddits polled the actual community to see if they're down. Some I'm subscribed to did in fact ask users, but a lot more had the mods unilaterally decide they were doing it. I'm not particularly affected overall because I have plenty of other irons in the fire, but I am mildly irritated that the MMA subreddit shut down after the mod just declared that the subreddit was going to go offline without consulting the community, used it promote himself/plug his Twitter, then created a splinter community on a service no one has ever heard of that is entirely him posting to himself, which illustrates for me the kind of vibes this protest has. Shoutouts to that guy. Overall, Alien vs Predator matchup. Reddit is Alien, the mods are Predator. Has something resembling a code of honor, probably not someone you want visiting your planet regardless. Not trying to be a dick but this post shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue. For one, the blackouts were largely pushed and supported by regular users, not just mods. And yes, of course it's about "mods who liked having certain tools being mad about those tools being potentially taken away", but to say it's because it's "lessening their control over what they see as their personal fiefdom" is nonsense. It's also a very weird argument to make when grasping for power is exactly what Reddit and its admins are doing with this move. Aside from the fact that I don't see how removing third-party apps would weaken their control over the userbase, it's been explained over and over again that mods rely on these tools to actually do their job (sorry, their _voluntary work_ since, again, mods don't get paid despite providing a corporation with a professional service they profit from), as the official app lacks tools that they and regular users have been requesting for years and have been promised for nearly a decade now but have yet to be implemented. This has allowed them to combat bad actors. Reddit has an already big enough problem with brigading as it is, particularly from transphobes and White supremacists, I'd rather not imagine what it'll be like with mods having even fewer tools at their disposal. And don't get me started on how suspiciously permissive Spez is with pedophiles, against whom mods will basically powerless as they've had to rely pretty much entirely on third-party apps to stop those. As for the length of the protest, I'm not sure what you're complaining about, exactly. Like with any protest, it's an ongoing effort with constant reconsideration as to where to take it. You acknowledge yourself that many subs, including some of the biggest ones, have gone dark indefinitely and others are discussing prolonging their efforts after the 48-hours blackout. Said discussions also makes your next argument even weirder as you claim that mods unilaterally made the decision to have the sub go dark when that's just objectively untrue in most cases. And again, in many cases the 48-hours blackout was a start, and the whole sub is being involved in deciding what to do next. So like, you're simultaneously criticizing mods both for supposedly abusing their powers and for not going hard enough. Literally all Reddit had to do is to either 1. let third-party apps be or 2. finally provide the tools they promised nearly a decade ago. It's not only doing neither but on top of that, it's expecting third-parties to pay THEM for the privilege of moderating their site. I don't think this conversation is going to go anywhere because you're going in really hard on me in a way and outright warping points I've made, to the extent that I don't think I can respond to you the way I'd like without catching a warning, so I am letting you know that I have read what you said, I am acknowledging you, but that I don't think we're going to get anywhere.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 15, 2023 7:26:04 GMT -5
So for people who only use the official app and don't see how user unfriendly it is, I'll give an example.
I open main app and by default it's in card view. On my screen is one post and a giant blocky ad for The Flash before I have to scroll down. If I'm lucky I get 3 actual posts on a page if all of them are text. There's constant ads. Classic view condenses it slightly to where there are 3 on every scroll.
I open up, on the same account, RIF is Fun. There are 9 posts on one page and room for an ad. Before I have to scroll. There's more accessible content on one page than 3 in the official app at the best of times.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 8:37:38 GMT -5
r/squaredcircle is still down while other subs I have joined have opened up. It feels much quieter now.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 15, 2023 10:32:36 GMT -5
The problem with polling the users of the communities is that for many of the users, the changes mean nothing. If you don't use a third-party app or don't have any accessibility issues, then why would you care about the API changes? You'll get people voting to keep the subs open because a sub closing is the only Reddit inconvenience they face and the only one they can understand.
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 15, 2023 15:04:15 GMT -5
Also if you poll the users... whomever controls the bots has million votes vs your 1.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 15, 2023 17:26:00 GMT -5
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 15, 2023 20:04:24 GMT -5
Having a mod voting system would inevitably result in pretty much every possible subreddit being taken over by Nazis.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 16, 2023 1:21:31 GMT -5
What a f***ing baby.
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Post by dreidemy on Jun 16, 2023 4:45:19 GMT -5
spez is a f****** moron
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Post by Burst on Jun 16, 2023 5:18:42 GMT -5
I'm really hoping that there ends up being a decentralization of the tech and website industries away from just Silicon Valley, because good Lord, you want to talk about an echo chamber with all these website CEOs being either unable or unwilling to read the frickin' room... it just needs a cultural upheaval, and I'm hoping at the very least some of the other areas like Upstate NY and the NC Research Triangle that are being positioned as alternate high tech regions take off or *something*.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 16, 2023 7:01:28 GMT -5
Corrected for things that have come out about him
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 16, 2023 7:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 16, 2023 13:23:38 GMT -5
And now, Reddit is threatening to remove moderators from subs participating in the blackout: www.macrumors.com/2023/06/15/reddit-threatens-to-remove-subreddit-moderators/So... Spez and Reddit really no long giver one single f*** about optics anymore, huh? Just blatantly showing that Reddit is going to become increasingly authoritarian towards its own community and would rather destory it than negociate. And again, just so we're clear: according to Reddit Admins, pedos and Nazis are A-OK, but telling the admins "no"? You're out.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 16, 2023 13:58:51 GMT -5
Corrected for things that have come out about him Is this about the r/jailbait thing or did other news come out? Because people have pointed out that at the time, you could include anyone you wanted as a mod and it would get automatically approved, without even consulting the person being modded. One user mentioned that they jokingly included people like Barack Obama and Snoop Dogg as mods for their subreddit for example, and it was apparently a pretty common tactic at the time to try and assassinate someone's character by creating a shitty sub and modding someone without their approval or even knowledge. Make no mistake, though, Spez has always been suspiciously permissive towards pedophilia, including pedophiles as one of the few "marginalized groups" that apparently deserve protection on Reddit, even though ethnic minorities or LGBTQ+ people apparently don't because harassing minorities is free speech according to idiots who have no understanding of what free speech is, and he famously awarded ViolentAcrez for his "contributions" to Reddit, with ana ward named "Pimp Daddy" no less, so I really wouldn't be shocked if Spez turned out to indeed be a nonce.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 16, 2023 14:00:07 GMT -5
I'm really hoping that there ends up being a decentralization of the tech and website industries away from just Silicon Valley, because good Lord, you want to talk about an echo chamber with all these website CEOs being either unable or unwilling to read the frickin' room... it just needs a cultural upheaval, and I'm hoping at the very least some of the other areas like Upstate NY and the NC Research Triangle that are being positioned as alternate high tech regions take off or *something*. Nah don't bring that toxic culture to my neck of the woods please haha
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 16, 2023 14:05:19 GMT -5
Tech industry decentralization without Silicon Valley's particular brand of techbro capitalism would be pretty nice.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jun 16, 2023 14:07:34 GMT -5
I felt the CEO came off as tone deaf in his interview this morning on NPR.
Though I do read reddit, I still never liked the reddit format and layout vs forums.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jun 16, 2023 14:09:15 GMT -5
Tech industry decentralization without Silicon Valley's particular brand of techbro capitalism would be pretty nice. I used to roll my eyes when I heard companies telling employees they want to be like more like Silicon Valley...
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Post by Renslayer on Jun 16, 2023 16:44:38 GMT -5
This guy sucks
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