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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 23, 2023 10:39:35 GMT -5
Horrific nightmare stuff, I hope the victim gets through this okay.
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thirteen3
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Post by thirteen3 on Jun 23, 2023 11:02:07 GMT -5
Crappy wrestler and a crappy human being.
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Post by discoelysium on Jun 23, 2023 11:38:38 GMT -5
What a dickhead.
And I'm sure he had some previous in RoH, didn't Kelly Klein or someone complain about this behaviour?
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Post by Cyno on Jun 23, 2023 12:49:37 GMT -5
Jeez, it sounds like he nearly killed her. What a scumbag.
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Post by Hernan on Jun 23, 2023 15:35:57 GMT -5
Wow, Whitmer has reached the lowest of the low. Top scumbag act.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 23, 2023 16:05:52 GMT -5
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FHgrad99
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Post by FHgrad99 on Jun 23, 2023 17:58:19 GMT -5
This confirms that BJ Whitmer is a piece of crap. Whatever is between his ears isn't working right.
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 23, 2023 18:37:21 GMT -5
Blowjib Whitmer really living his worst life. What a dunce.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Sept 8, 2023 13:05:03 GMT -5
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Mar 5, 2024 15:21:09 GMT -5
And it's been dropped to six months house arrest because he took an Alford plea.
f*** this.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Mar 5, 2024 15:23:41 GMT -5
I feel like if a judge lets a violent offender off easy and they go on to be violent again, the judge should be held responsible as an accomplice.
EDIT: And the prosecutor as well.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 5, 2024 15:39:21 GMT -5
I feel like if a judge lets a violent offender off easy and they go on to be violent again, the judge should be held responsible as an accomplice. No one would ever want to be a judge (or you’d be left only with judges giving all maximum sentences out of fear).
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Post by Cyno on Mar 5, 2024 15:45:30 GMT -5
I feel like if a judge lets a violent offender off easy and they go on to be violent again, the judge should be held responsible as an accomplice. I put the blame more on the prosecutor who offered the plea deal than the judge. But as SRS said in his tweet, the system failed her.
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 5, 2024 16:04:21 GMT -5
I have no words for this. What a joke.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Mar 5, 2024 16:15:07 GMT -5
Obviously, Whitmer appears to be a wifebeater and a lowlife, but as somebody who has spent my entire adult life working in the judicial system and has been both a prosecutor and a public defender, it's one of my bigger pet peeves to see people blaming attorneys or the Court for a criminal offender being perceived as "getting off easy" and especially with the suggestion that anyone involved in the criminal justice system is culpable for the actions of a repeat offender.
The burden of proof in a criminal case where someone's freedom is on the line is extremely high, and necessarily so. If someone is going to be sent to prison for years or even decades, we need to be as close to absolutely certain as possible that they are guilty of what they are accused of. Speaking from experience, it's unlikely that the prosecutor would have even been willing to offer an Alford plea unless there were weaknesses in the evidence that made Whitmer being outright found not guilty at trial a distinct possibility. We're outside observers whose only knowledge of the case is based upon sensationalized wrestling media reports. I would argue that, as between an Alford plea which ensures Whitmer becomes a convicted felon and is placed on probation such that he is in a position to be held far more strictly accountable for future violations and a not guilty verdict at trial, the former is preferable to the victim and is not "the system failing." It's a sad reality that, oftentimes, domestic violence cases truly come down to "he said-she said" on the evidence, and those are very difficult to secure a conviction at trial upon proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Sorry for the novel, but I had to chime in because the TL; DR is, if Whitmer commits another violent crime in the future he's the only one responsible for that. Not the attorneys and court simply trying their best to do their jobs within the confines of the American legal system.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 5, 2024 17:58:42 GMT -5
Obviously, Whitmer appears to be a wifebeater and a lowlife, but as somebody who has spent my entire adult life working in the judicial system and has been both a prosecutor and a public defender, it's one of my bigger pet peeves to see people blaming attorneys or the Court for a criminal offender being perceived as "getting off easy" and especially with the suggestion that anyone involved in the criminal justice system is culpable for the actions of a repeat offender. The burden of proof in a criminal case where someone's freedom is on the line is extremely high, and necessarily so. If someone is going to be sent to prison for years or even decades, we need to be as close to absolutely certain as possible that they are guilty of what they are accused of. Speaking from experience, it's unlikely that the prosecutor would have even been willing to offer an Alford plea unless there were weaknesses in the evidence that made Whitmer being outright found not guilty at trial a distinct possibility. We're outside observers whose only knowledge of the case is based upon sensationalized wrestling media reports. I would argue that, as between an Alford plea which ensures Whitmer becomes a convicted felon and is placed on probation such that he is in a position to be held far more strictly accountable for future violations and a not guilty verdict at trial, the former is preferable to the victim and is not "the system failing." It's a sad reality that, oftentimes, domestic violence cases truly come down to "he said-she said" on the evidence, and those are very difficult to secure a conviction at trial upon proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Sorry for the novel, but I had to chime in because the TL; DR is, if Whitmer commits another violent crime in the future he's the only one responsible for that. Not the attorneys and court simply trying their best to do their jobs within the confines of the American legal system. Yeah judges, prosecutors, police detectives, public defenders are just trying to do their job the best they can within the confines of what the system allows. Maybe it’s not a perfect system, but we shouldn’t be blaming and punishing the employees working in the system for carrying out their duties just because a violent offender becomes a repeat offender. You’d disincentive anyone ever taking these jobs, which are sorely needed.
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Post by XIII on Mar 5, 2024 18:08:02 GMT -5
I only know what I’ve read on here so maybe there are other factors at play but if the victim said that she was being choked and when the police get there she has bruising and red marks on her neck/throat there doesn’t seem to be much of a gray area on what happened.
If I have to guess Whitmer had a good lawyer that has a good relationship with the judge. That’s often what it comes down to and why you should never go with a public defender if you can afford it. It prejudices the judge against you from jump street when you show up with a jobber lawyer. This is also a good example of why you should never talk to the police without your lawyer present which is what it sounds like Whitmer did.
Hopefully he’ll learn from this and not put his hands on women anymore…but only time will tell.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Mar 5, 2024 18:14:25 GMT -5
I only know what I’ve read on here so maybe there are other factors at play but if the victim said that she was being choked and when the police get there she has bruising and red marks on her neck/throat there doesn’t seem to be much of a gray area on what happened. If I have to guess Whitmer had a good lawyer that has a good relationship with the judge. That’s often what it comes down to and why you should never go with a public defender if you can afford it. It prejudices the judge against you from jump street when you show up with a jobber lawyer. This is also a good example of why you should never talk to the police without your lawyer present which is what it sounds like Whitmer did. Hopefully he’ll learn from this and not put his hands on women anymore…but only time will tell. This isn’t the place for it, but I respectfully, and vehemently disagree with the notion that public defenders are “jobbers” or that the Courts are in the business of playing favorites with particular attorneys when it comes to criminal cases (notwithstanding the fact that the judge has absolutely no role, whatsoever, in negotiating a plea deal beyond simply approving it.) And without doxxing myself, I am extremely familiar with the Boone Circuit Court and can tell you there’s no way either of the Circuit Judges there in any way affirmatively controlled the outcome of this case simply because of a friendship with Whitmer’s attorney. Kentucky law doesn’t even really allow that to happen. Public defenders are often some of the most talented and dedicated litigators there are and, by and large, have more actual litigation experience than any private attorney that has never done a stint in public interest. They are just egregiously overworked and underpaid within a broken system. Again, sorry for the novel, but I am one of those fancy schmancy private attorneys these days, but I cut my teeth as a public defender and I can unequivocally tell you I would not be even 20% of the attorney I am today without my experience as a PD, so this is one of my biggest pet peeves.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 5, 2024 18:25:42 GMT -5
I only know what I’ve read on here so maybe there are other factors at play but if the victim said that she was being choked and when the police get there she has bruising and red marks on her neck/throat there doesn’t seem to be much of a gray area on what happened. If I have to guess Whitmer had a good lawyer that has a good relationship with the judge. That’s often what it comes down to and why you should never go with a public defender if you can afford it. It prejudices the judge against you from jump street when you show up with a jobber lawyer. This is also a good example of why you should never talk to the police without your lawyer present which is what it sounds like Whitmer did. Hopefully he’ll learn from this and not put his hands on women anymore…but only time will tell. “Jobber lawyers” for talented and smart individuals that give up the pursuit of much, much higher paying jobs in order to defend those that need it most is a pretty offensive way to put it. Not to mention the insinuation that criminal court judges are going to be prejudiced by who your lawyer is.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 5, 2024 18:38:55 GMT -5
Feel awful for the victim, who is now going to life a less safe, less happy, less comfortable life in a home already breached once by someone who might still have it out for her. I hope she never sees him again.
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