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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 26, 2023 16:11:31 GMT -5
People are really gonna be rooting for Bronny to succeed now. Hope he can, and glad he's ok above all else.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 26, 2023 23:26:11 GMT -5
That is a bad argument. Shaq wasn't Shaq when he came to Miami and people forget Bron came to Miami to learn to win from Wade. Also with that said, Harden has played with a list of HOF talent and got nothing to show for it. Miami had trash years with an injured Wade. Harden when the playoffs come folds like Origami.
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Post by BRV on Jul 27, 2023 9:29:25 GMT -5
You want to say that Dwyane Wade is overrated from a historic standpoint? I'm not going to fight you on it. But to use James Harden as your comparison? Now that's where you lose me.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 27, 2023 9:54:45 GMT -5
Wade is this generation's Clyde Drexler. Everyone has him in their Top 75 all time, but nobody has him in their top 15. He's in that solid 20-35 area. Could do everything. Could dunk with the all-time greats at SG, could board, could dish, get to the bucket at will, midrange game was always strong, clutch moments, was a great batman and a great robin, played great D in his prime, was great off the court too, never a prima donna. I don't know how you can compare him and Harden. Harden can board and dish too. He's a way better shooter than Wade. His release is better than Wade's. Better handles. But he doesn't come up in the clutch, can't get to the rim like Wade, he doesn't play much D in his career, he's been a foul merchant, his signature move is to travel, and he can't handle adversity as well as Wade.
If anybody gets overrated in player circles and per generation, it's AI. Unless we're talking about those dudes who put Kobe at #2 or 3 all-time. It's one of those for sure.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 27, 2023 10:49:59 GMT -5
Wade's historical greatness has always been tricky to evaluate cause at his peak year's hes had either stacked rosters or trash rosters with nothing in btwn.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 27, 2023 20:39:58 GMT -5
With an incredible amount of bias, Kobe is my number 2 or 3 idc
I also consider Wade Top 5 in SGs all time, arguably behind MJ and Kobe. Wade in his prime was a beast, it just didn't last as long but he is underrated and overrated
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jul 27, 2023 21:02:15 GMT -5
Kobe could have been 2 or 3 if he was less … Kobe. To me he’s *a* goat who could have been *the* goat if he wasn’t so headstrong.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 27, 2023 21:11:43 GMT -5
With an incredible amount of bias, Kobe is my number 2 or 3 idc I also consider Wade Top 5 in SGs all time, arguably behind MJ and Kobe. Wade in his prime was a beast, it just didn't last as long but he is underrated and overrated Wade is noteworthy because he's really famous. Like Dirk is maybe a better player but Wade is 10x more famous, so casuals overrate him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 27, 2023 21:20:23 GMT -5
With an incredible amount of bias, Kobe is my number 2 or 3 idc I also consider Wade Top 5 in SGs all time, arguably behind MJ and Kobe. Wade in his prime was a beast, it just didn't last as long but he is underrated and overrated Wade is noteworthy because he's really famous. Like Dirk is maybe a better player but Wade is 10x more famous, so casuals overrate him. Wade is just a weird case. If healthy in his prime he can carry a team and his first championship run in the Finals is still top tier that is overlooked now. However, those years with Bron had people forgetting how good he was and then his run with Bulls showed he wasn't that guy no more. Wade was smart to embrace the sixth man role which he did well in but he had some weird years with that Bulls and Cavs run
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Post by sfvega on Jul 27, 2023 21:32:18 GMT -5
Wade is noteworthy because he's really famous. Like Dirk is maybe a better player but Wade is 10x more famous, so casuals overrate him. Wade is just a weird case. If healthy in his prime he can carry a team and his first championship run in the Finals is still top tier that is overlooked now. However, those years with Bron had people forgetting how good he was and then his run with Bulls showed he wasn't that guy no more. Wade was smart to embrace the sixth man role which he did well in but he had some weird years with that Bulls and Cavs run It's funny bc Wade was one of those guys who hit the deck all the damn time. He played with reckless abandon, like Westbrook, and they both had very long careers. D-Rose played similarly and got injured and was never the same. All luck of the draw.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 27, 2023 22:07:36 GMT -5
Wade is just a weird case. If healthy in his prime he can carry a team and his first championship run in the Finals is still top tier that is overlooked now. However, those years with Bron had people forgetting how good he was and then his run with Bulls showed he wasn't that guy no more. Wade was smart to embrace the sixth man role which he did well in but he had some weird years with that Bulls and Cavs run It's funny bc Wade was one of those guys who hit the deck all the damn time. He played with reckless abandon, like Westbrook, and they both had very long careers. D-Rose played similarly and got injured and was never the same. All luck of the draw. Rose career has lasted 14 seasons and counting. Wade even after his injuries was still a very good player but Rose never reached anywhere near his heights again. Still a good quality player but he's a big what If player Rose winning MVP is what put Westbrook in his crazy mindset imo.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 27, 2023 22:15:13 GMT -5
It's funny bc Wade was one of those guys who hit the deck all the damn time. He played with reckless abandon, like Westbrook, and they both had very long careers. D-Rose played similarly and got injured and was never the same. All luck of the draw. Rose career has lasted 14 seasons and counting. Wade even after his injuries was still a very good player but Rose never reached anywhere near his heights again. Still a good quality player but he's a big what If player Rose winning MVP is what put Westbrook in his crazy mindset imo. Rose is like Grant Hill, Penny, T-Mac. Reached high heights, but always left people wondering where he'd be if the stars aligned.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 27, 2023 22:38:59 GMT -5
Rose career has lasted 14 seasons and counting. Wade even after his injuries was still a very good player but Rose never reached anywhere near his heights again. Still a good quality player but he's a big what If player Rose winning MVP is what put Westbrook in his crazy mindset imo. Rose is like Grant Hill, Penny, T-Mac. Reached high heights, but always left people wondering where he'd be if the stars aligned. And all of them had their careers shortened in Orlando, stay out of Orlando is moral of the story lmao Well, at least in T-Mac chase his back been f***ed up since he was a teen but when he was right in his prime, one of the most crazy scorers ever. Him and Yao healthy for a few years might have been able to do something. By his 4th-5th season in the NBA, Yao was really starting to put it together and then his body crumbled Speaking of T-Mac, he caught a little heat for basically sort of writing off Wemby. I get what he was saying in terms of seeing big hyped players before and they crumble but Wemby is a diff type that and been hyped for years.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 27, 2023 22:52:06 GMT -5
Rose is like Grant Hill, Penny, T-Mac. Reached high heights, but always left people wondering where he'd be if the stars aligned. And all of them had their careers shortened in Orlando, stay out of Orlando is moral of the story lmao Well, at least in T-Mac chase his back been f***ed up since he was a teen but when he was right in his prime, one of the most crazy scorers ever. Him and Yao healthy for a few years might have been able to do something. By his 4th-5th season in the NBA, Yao was really starting to put it together and then his body crumbled Speaking of T-Mac, he caught a little heat for basically sort of writing off Wemby. I get what he was saying in terms of seeing big hyped players before and they crumble but Wemby is a diff type that and been hyped for years. Duncan owes his longevity to not going to Orlando when he had the chance. Wemby has been the next big thing for 3 years. I think guys just have a distaste for the hype. Bron had oodles of hype. KG had tons of hype. Durant had a lot of hype. AI had a ton of hype. Hype doesn't automatically mean overrated or underdelivering. Magic and Bird were supposed to change the league. And then they did.
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Post by MrElijah on Jul 28, 2023 8:04:17 GMT -5
Kobe could have been 2 or 3 if he was less … Kobe. To me he’s *a* goat who could have been *the* goat if he wasn’t so headstrong. Kobe was a worse MJ, not a knock but that's how I feel. Wade was a dude who did everything well and hustled his ass off, but that hard style caught up him. Now for something tentatively related, my top 5 for each position. PGs 1)Magic 2)Steph 3)Isiah 4)Oscar 5)Paul Just Outside: Stockton SGs 1)MJ 2)Kobe 3)Wade 4)Jerry West 5)Drexler SFs 1)LeBron 2)Bird 3)Durant 4)Pippen 5)Halvachek Just Outside: Baylor, Erving PFs 1)Duncan 2)Karl Malone 3)Garnett 4)Barkley 5)Giannis Just Outside: McHale Centers 1)Kareem 2)Russell 3)Shaq 4)Wilt 5)Hakeem Just Outside: Moses Malone
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jul 28, 2023 9:28:11 GMT -5
Kobe could have been 2 or 3 if he was less … Kobe. To me he’s *a* goat who could have been *the* goat if he wasn’t so headstrong. Kobe was a worse MJ, not a knock but that's how I feel. Wade was a dude who did everything well and hustled his ass off, but that hard style caught up him. Now for something tentatively related, my top 5 for each position. PGs 1)Magic 2)Steph 3)Isiah 4)Oscar 5)Paul Just Outside: Stockton SGs 1)MJ 2)Kobe 3)Wade 4)Jerry West 5)Drexler SFs 1)LeBron 2)Bird 3)Durant 4)Pippen 5)Halvachek Just Outside: Baylor, Erving PFs 1)Duncan 2)Karl Malone 3)Garnett 4)Barkley 5)Giannis Just Outside: McHale Centers 1)Kareem 2)Russell 3)Shaq 4)Wilt 5)Hakeem Just Outside: Moses Malone People sleep on Stockton, would have loved for him to get a ring. For a guy who’s the all time leader in assists and steals and by a comfortable margin people seem to be kinda down on him
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Post by sfvega on Jul 28, 2023 9:52:03 GMT -5
Kobe could have been 2 or 3 if he was less … Kobe. To me he’s *a* goat who could have been *the* goat if he wasn’t so headstrong. Kobe was a worse MJ, not a knock but that's how I feel. Wade was a dude who did everything well and hustled his ass off, but that hard style caught up him. Now for something tentatively related, my top 5 for each position. PGs 1)Magic 2)Steph 3)Isiah 4)Oscar 5)Paul Just Outside: Stockton SGs 1)MJ 2)Kobe 3)Wade 4)Jerry West 5)Drexler SFs 1)LeBron 2)Bird 3)Durant 4)Pippen 5)Halvachek Just Outside: Baylor, Erving PFs 1)Duncan 2)Karl Malone 3)Garnett 4)Barkley 5)Giannis Just Outside: McHale Centers 1)Kareem 2)Russell 3)Shaq 4)Wilt 5)Hakeem Just Outside: Moses Malone I can't even say anything, that's just a great list.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jul 28, 2023 18:51:53 GMT -5
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 30, 2023 10:51:02 GMT -5
Healthy Wade in 2005 gets the heat past the pistons and eventually the spurs in the finals. And his 08-09 is all time great, but it doesn't get the props it should because Kobe and bron had all timers the same year. Wade is COLD as hell, man
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Post by sfvega on Jul 31, 2023 19:20:28 GMT -5
Of course ESPN waits for me to take a sabbatical from NBA viewing to let go of Mark Jackson. I hate them more than I already do.
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