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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 23, 2023 1:10:51 GMT -5
For those not watching, Punk (with no bag in hand mind you) randomly confirmed it's his AEW world title in the bag tonight. Maybe the bag are the friends we make along the way?
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 23, 2023 1:45:09 GMT -5
It was a big of shit. Here is Punk's promo tonight.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 23, 2023 7:00:53 GMT -5
This is really, really stupid. Punk was stripped of the title due to injury and scrum shenanigans. Moxley and MJF won the title legitimately. Punk has zero claim to it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 23, 2023 7:22:18 GMT -5
This is really, really stupid. Punk was stripped of the title due to injury and scrum shenanigans. Moxley and MJF won the title legitimately. Punk has zero claim to it. He didn't immediately ask for a title match either, but he also never lost it. He's staking his claim to it, a bit of a nod to how he had the double belt when Cena won it as well MJF's belt is a custom, it makes total sense why he still has the original belt too. Not the first time we've seen someone have to vacate the title and then go "I never lost, I want my shot" either
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 23, 2023 7:29:54 GMT -5
This is really, really stupid. Punk was stripped of the title due to injury and scrum shenanigans. Moxley and MJF won the title legitimately. Punk has zero claim to it. He didn't immediately ask for a title match either, but he also never lost it. He's staking his claim to it, a bit of a nod to how he had the double belt when Cena won it as well MJF's belt is a custom, it makes total sense why he still has the original belt too. Not the first time we've seen someone have to vacate the title and then go "I never lost, I want my shot" either He did lose it, he was stripped of it. He didn't leave with the belt. The difference with Cena is Punk left with the title. The title was removed from Punk and that's the belt that Mox won. As you say, MJF's is a custom so technically it's him who has the other belt.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 23, 2023 7:31:19 GMT -5
He didn't immediately ask for a title match either, but he also never lost it. He's staking his claim to it, a bit of a nod to how he had the double belt when Cena won it as well MJF's belt is a custom, it makes total sense why he still has the original belt too. Not the first time we've seen someone have to vacate the title and then go "I never lost, I want my shot" either He did lose it, he was stripped of it. He didn't leave with the belt. The difference with Cena is Punk left with the title. The title was removed from Punk and that's the belt that Mox won. As you say, MJF's is a custom so technically it's him who has the other belt. I think the point is Punk has the belt because he wants to prove to himself he can get back to MJF and claim what he lost. It's why he also said if anyone beats him they'd earn that right too, but I assume that means a clean win, not robbed like he feels Starks did to him We likely won't see that play out until All Out at the earliest tbh
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 23, 2023 7:36:23 GMT -5
He did lose it, he was stripped of it. He didn't leave with the belt. The difference with Cena is Punk left with the title. The title was removed from Punk and that's the belt that Mox won. As you say, MJF's is a custom so technically it's him who has the other belt. I think the point is Punk has the belt because he wants to prove to himself he can get back to MJF and claim what he lost. It's why he also said if anyone beats him they'd earn that right too, but I assume that means a clean win, not robbed like he feels Starks did to him We likely won't see that play out until All Out at the earliest tbh How does he have the physical belt though, in storyline?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 23, 2023 7:37:50 GMT -5
I think the point is Punk has the belt because he wants to prove to himself he can get back to MJF and claim what he lost. It's why he also said if anyone beats him they'd earn that right too, but I assume that means a clean win, not robbed like he feels Starks did to him We likely won't see that play out until All Out at the earliest tbh How does he have the physical belt, though? My assumption is everyone keeps a replica of the world title they won, WWE does that, it's either that, or he's come into contact with the actual world title since MJF has discarded Original Big Platinum for his Burberry design. That hasn't been made entirely clear yet.
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Post by daaave on Jul 23, 2023 8:03:21 GMT -5
Punks just showing off his his new Louis bag
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 23, 2023 8:37:27 GMT -5
I remember when someone around these parts claimed the Bucks "weren't punished at all" for being stripped of their belts and taken off TV while Punk was unfairly being hurt by the company. That suddenly all feels really, really funny in light of this.
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Post by Blade on Jul 23, 2023 8:45:00 GMT -5
This is really, really stupid. Punk was stripped of the title due to injury and scrum shenanigans. Moxley and MJF won the title legitimately. Punk has zero claim to it. This is really, really stupid. Shawn Michaels was stripped of his Intercontinental Title because he didn't want to get pinned wasn't defending it often enough. Razor Ramon won the title legitimately. Shawn has zero claim to it. Bog-standard age-old wrestling plotlines are bog-standard age-old wrestling plotlines even when Bad Wrestling Man is involved.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 23, 2023 8:50:01 GMT -5
This is really, really stupid. Punk was stripped of the title due to injury and scrum shenanigans. Moxley and MJF won the title legitimately. Punk has zero claim to it. This is really, really stupid. Shawn Michaels was stripped of his Intercontinental Title because he didn't want to get pinned wasn't defending it often enough. Razor Ramon won the title legitimately. Shawn has zero claim to it. Bog-standard age-old wrestling plotlines are bog-standard age-old wrestling plotlines even when Bad Wrestling Man is involved. Michaels was a heel, you were supposed to think it was a stupid claim. CM Punk is not a heel. You are not supposed to think he's stupid.
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Post by Blade on Jul 23, 2023 8:53:03 GMT -5
This is really, really stupid. Shawn Michaels was stripped of his Intercontinental Title because he didn't want to get pinned wasn't defending it often enough. Razor Ramon won the title legitimately. Shawn has zero claim to it. Bog-standard age-old wrestling plotlines are bog-standard age-old wrestling plotlines even when Bad Wrestling Man is involved. Michaels was a heel, you were supposed to think it was a stupid claim. CM Punk is not a heel. You are not supposed to think he's stupid. Such a stupid claim that he got a featured Wrestlemania match for it with both title belts hung in the ring in exactly the same way, almost as if they didn't treat his claim as stupid. More heels should make such stupid claims, obviously.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Jul 23, 2023 8:58:47 GMT -5
Didn't Punk say some shit like he has claim to that bag until someone beats him? Well he lost last week to Ricky so now it's even more pointless.
This Punk return has been so bad imo lol
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 23, 2023 9:00:05 GMT -5
Michaels was a heel, you were supposed to think it was a stupid claim. CM Punk is not a heel. You are not supposed to think he's stupid. Such a stupid claim that he got a featured Wrestlemania match for it with both title belts hung in the ring in exactly the same way, almost as if they didn't treat his claim as stupid. More heels should make such stupid claims, obviously. Yes, heels do often get their lies recognized with equal weight. It doesn't make them not heelish lies they're using as a heel for heel heat. CM Punk is running this as a face, it's a very different energy. I don't think a top face should ever be saying shit where the audience straight-up goes "No that's bullshit" and I don't think it's that difficult to see why. I will however grant that there's some good comparisons in this situation to that of '90s Shawn Michaels, they just aren't in defense of this storyline.
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Post by Blade on Jul 23, 2023 9:12:18 GMT -5
Yes, heels do often get their lies recognized with equal weight. It doesn't make them not heelish lies they're using as a heel for heel heat. CM Punk is running this as a face, it's a very different energy. I don't think a top face should ever be saying shit where the audience straight-up goes "No that's bullshit" and I don't think it's that difficult to see why. I will however grant that there's some good comparisons in this situation to that of '90s Shawn Michaels, they just aren't in defense of this storyline. Saying "I didn't lose the title because nobody beat me for it" is the same kind of macho bullshit both heel and face wrestlers use constantly. People are just complaining because it's Punk, not because it doesn't make wrestling sense. That people here are going "No that's bullshit" is not really indicative of what "the audience" is saying. No doubt some are saying that, and also no doubt some are not. Punk is also a tweener, not really a face. Unless insulting local sports teams is a face move now.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jul 23, 2023 9:13:14 GMT -5
Matt Cardona proudly wore the WWE women's tag title in DDT. His wife won it, they share everything 50/50 so he's a quarter of a tag champion. That still makes more sense than Punk being in possesion of the physical belt and is a lot more fun.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 23, 2023 9:13:51 GMT -5
This is really, really stupid. Punk was stripped of the title due to injury and scrum shenanigans. Moxley and MJF won the title legitimately. Punk has zero claim to it. This is really, really stupid. Shawn Michaels was stripped of his Intercontinental Title because he didn't want to get pinned wasn't defending it often enough. Razor Ramon won the title legitimately. Shawn has zero claim to it. Bog-standard age-old wrestling plotlines are bog-standard age-old wrestling plotlines even when Bad Wrestling Man is involved. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm still a CM Punk fan, largely enjoying his return and it's not him that's booking this. It was also dumb when they did it with Shawn. It was NOT dumb when they did Punk/Cena because Punk DID have a claim to it. If Punk has a claim to a belt, Thunder Rosa does too when she returns.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 23, 2023 9:16:31 GMT -5
Yes, heels do often get their lies recognized with equal weight. It doesn't make them not heelish lies they're using as a heel for heel heat. CM Punk is running this as a face, it's a very different energy. I don't think a top face should ever be saying shit where the audience straight-up goes "No that's bullshit" and I don't think it's that difficult to see why. I will however grant that there's some good comparisons in this situation to that of '90s Shawn Michaels, they just aren't in defense of this storyline. Saying "I didn't lose the title because nobody beat me for it" is the same kind of macho bullshit both heel and face wrestlers use constantly. People are just complaining because it's Punk, not because it doesn't make wrestling sense. That people here are going "No that's bullshit" is not really indicative of what "the audience" is saying. No doubt some are saying that, and also no doubt some are not. Punk is also a tweener, not really a face. Unless insulting local sports teams is a face move now. "I didn't lose the title because nobody beat me for it" is not the same as lugging around a bag with the title in it. Also no, you don't know why people are complaining about the story, and given you're the same one who like a month ago was calling out another member for not using their mind-reading powers to stop the war in Ukraine, I think the presumption that everyone's just a bad faith liar and you know it full well is a hilarious one. You have yourself some kind of a day.
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Post by Blade on Jul 23, 2023 9:18:20 GMT -5
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm still a CM Punk fan, largely enjoying his return and it's not him that's booking this. It was also dumb when they did it with Shawn. It was NOT dumb when they did Punk/Cena because Punk DID have a claim to it. If Punk has a claim to a belt, Thunder Rosa does too when she returns. I am perfectly fine with the latter if it leads to a good plotline and/or match. But fair enough, I apologise for thinking you were part of the anti-Punk crowd. The Shawn/Razor plotline is pretty beloved and led to a legendary match that permanently popularised ladder matches in American wrestling, so it's weird to me to not like it, but hey, I don't like Rock or Undertaker so I'm not gonna say you're not entitled to have an unusual wrestling opinion.
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