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Post by clifford on Jul 5, 2023 8:30:34 GMT -5
He's been pretty vocal since leaving WWE that he's now all about the art of wrestling and he sees a lot of art in deathmatches. The US side of death match gets fairly shit on, but the Japanese side can produce some amazing stuff. Jun Kasai and Despy had an amazing match last year that told a phenomenal story. My match of the year for 2022, and where my Avi is from. The match is incredible, but that post match promo from Despy and Jun is an all timer.
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Post by Facetious on Jul 5, 2023 8:56:57 GMT -5
The US side of death match gets fairly shit on, but the Japanese side can produce some amazing stuff. Jun Kasai and Despy had an amazing match last year that told a phenomenal story. My match of the year for 2022, and where my Avi is from. The match is incredible, but that post match promo from Despy and Jun is an all timer. That post match promo just hit different. I need to see Kasai live man. I've been fortunate enough to see Takeda wrestle 3 times in one night and Rina, but Kasai is the death match GOAT.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 5, 2023 9:00:36 GMT -5
He's been pretty vocal since leaving WWE that he's now all about the art of wrestling and he sees a lot of art in deathmatches. The US side of death match gets fairly shit on, but the Japanese side can produce some amazing stuff. Jun Kasai and Despy had an amazing match last year that told a phenomenal story. Yep. The issue also becomes with US deathmatches is people just focus on going for shock with spots. There are some good deathmatch workers in the US still, but just far too often you are just getting dumb wrestlers doing really dumb spots
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 5, 2023 9:22:57 GMT -5
um someone tell mox there's better ways to get a mohawk
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jul 5, 2023 10:02:41 GMT -5
In reverse of what others have been saying, I'm happy Mox is making enough money and is in the right mental space where he CAN do stuff like this and Bloodsport if he wants.
That's the dream. And that match is awesome.
Lets stop dictating what's "good" for a wrestler when they are actually enjoying themselves.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 5, 2023 10:24:24 GMT -5
Guy's happy doing whatever he wants as opposed to miserable for slightly more money. Life's too short for the latter.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jul 5, 2023 15:07:12 GMT -5
I'm happy that Mox is happy, but I will say every time I see him he is bleeding, and it just loses impact.
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jul 5, 2023 15:14:01 GMT -5
I'm sorry. But death match wrestling is f***ING stupid outside of the rare novelty.
Idc how happy dude is, how much money he makes, or what ever. He's not entertaining to me as Jon Moxley.
Dean Ambrose was a legit star to me. Moxley is like every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously.
Just terrible shit. And I seriously don't see how anyone can be a fan. There's tons of stuff I don't "get" OC, HBK, and others, but I'm able to look at it objectively and see why people are entertained.
Mox? No. I don't get it. f*** that dude. Bring back Ambrose. Please.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 5, 2023 15:24:33 GMT -5
I would rather skewer my skin with sharpened bits of wood 5000 miles from home than be part of 2018 & 2019 RAW so I get where he's coming from.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jul 5, 2023 15:28:28 GMT -5
I'm sorry. But death match wrestling is f***ING stupid outside of the rare novelty. Idc how happy dude is, how much money he makes, or what ever. He's not entertaining to me as Jon Moxley. Dean Ambrose was a legit star to me. Moxley is like every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously. Just terrible shit. And I seriously don't see how anyone can be a fan. There's tons of stuff I don't "get" OC, HBK, and others, but I'm able to look at it objectively and see why people are entertained. Mox? No. I don't get it. f*** that dude. Bring back Ambrose. Please. I respect your opinion, but I enjoy Moxley substantially more than I enjoyed Ambrose. A lot of the comments in this thread are incredibly reductionist regarding Moxley's post-WWE run, and who he is as a character. His AEW character is a fearless badass who has a high threshold for pain, and is incredibly dangerous because he is equally well suited in violent brawls and technical wrestling matches. It's just simply untrue...like an outright falsity...that he's just a "deathmatch wrestler" in AEW. Yes, violent brawls are sort of his signature match, but he's never, not even once, had an ultraviolent hardcore match just for the sake of having it. There's always been a storyline reason for his most violent matches, and most of them have been to blow off blood feuds on PPV. He carried AEW through the pandemic era and the fallout of Muffingate with his versatility as a performer. I agree that he probably blades too often in inconsequential matches, but to call him "every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously" is, like, 50 bridges too far for me. Moxley never even does actual dangerous stuff. It's not like he's jumping off of roofs into broken glass or being set on fire. Even the skewer spot in this very thread is more visually striking than it is dangerous. He's more 1980s Dusty Rhodes than he is Zandig.
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jul 5, 2023 15:30:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry. But death match wrestling is f***ING stupid outside of the rare novelty. Idc how happy dude is, how much money he makes, or what ever. He's not entertaining to me as Jon Moxley. Dean Ambrose was a legit star to me. Moxley is like every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously. Just terrible shit. And I seriously don't see how anyone can be a fan. There's tons of stuff I don't "get" OC, HBK, and others, but I'm able to look at it objectively and see why people are entertained. Mox? No. I don't get it. f*** that dude. Bring back Ambrose. Please. I respect your opinion, but I enjoy Moxley substantially more than I enjoyed Ambrose. A lot of the comments in this thread are incredibly reductionist regarding Moxley's post-WWE run, and who he is as a character. His AEW character is a fearless badass who has a high threshold for pain, and is incredibly dangerous because he is equally well suited in violent brawls and technical wrestling matches. It's just simply untrue...like an outright falsity...that he's just a "deathmatch wrestler" in AEW. Yes, violent brawls are sort of his signature match, but he's never, not even once, had an ultraviolent hardcore match just for the sake of having it. There's always been a storyline reason for his most violent matches, and most of them have been to blow off blood feuds on PPV. He carried AEW through the pandemic era and the fallout of Muffingate with his versatility as a performer. I agree that he probably blades too often in inconsequential matches, but to call him "every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously" is, like, 50 bridges too far for me. Moxley never even does actual dangerous stuff. It's not like he's jumping off of roofs into broken glass or being set on fire. Even the skewer spot in this very thread is more visually striking than it is dangerous. He's more 1980s Dusty Rhodes than he is Zandig. I'm just gonna agree to disagree. I don't see any of that in his character. He sucks now.
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Post by poodoojenkins on Jul 5, 2023 15:33:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry. But death match wrestling is f***ING stupid outside of the rare novelty. Idc how happy dude is, how much money he makes, or what ever. He's not entertaining to me as Jon Moxley. Dean Ambrose was a legit star to me. Moxley is like every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously. Just terrible shit. And I seriously don't see how anyone can be a fan. There's tons of stuff I don't "get" OC, HBK, and others, but I'm able to look at it objectively and see why people are entertained. Mox? No. I don't get it. f*** that dude. Bring back Ambrose. Please. Ok. We get it.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jul 5, 2023 15:34:06 GMT -5
I respect your opinion, but I enjoy Moxley substantially more than I enjoyed Ambrose. A lot of the comments in this thread are incredibly reductionist regarding Moxley's post-WWE run, and who he is as a character. His AEW character is a fearless badass who has a high threshold for pain, and is incredibly dangerous because he is equally well suited in violent brawls and technical wrestling matches. It's just simply untrue...like an outright falsity...that he's just a "deathmatch wrestler" in AEW. Yes, violent brawls are sort of his signature match, but he's never, not even once, had an ultraviolent hardcore match just for the sake of having it. There's always been a storyline reason for his most violent matches, and most of them have been to blow off blood feuds on PPV. He carried AEW through the pandemic era and the fallout of Muffingate with his versatility as a performer. I agree that he probably blades too often in inconsequential matches, but to call him "every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously" is, like, 50 bridges too far for me. Moxley never even does actual dangerous stuff. It's not like he's jumping off of roofs into broken glass or being set on fire. Even the skewer spot in this very thread is more visually striking than it is dangerous. He's more 1980s Dusty Rhodes than he is Zandig. I'm just gonna agree to disagree. I don't see any of that in his character. He sucks now. Which is totally fair. As a fan, I was just trying to explain why I am, personally, in response to you saying you just can't see how anyone could be.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 5, 2023 15:35:10 GMT -5
and yeah honestly between this, Bloodsport, Spring Break, the AEW stuff, the roamng around the planet doing whatever he wants and not giving a f*** is a lot more entertaining to me than seeing him have 'a good little match' with Drew McIntyre over the US title on the third match of the first day of Wrestlemania
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 5, 2023 15:36:35 GMT -5
Eh, the man knows his audience. Why not play the hits if his fingers can still handle it?
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jul 5, 2023 15:44:28 GMT -5
I'm sorry. But death match wrestling is f***ING stupid outside of the rare novelty. Idc how happy dude is, how much money he makes, or what ever. He's not entertaining to me as Jon Moxley. Dean Ambrose was a legit star to me. Moxley is like every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously. Just terrible shit. And I seriously don't see how anyone can be a fan. There's tons of stuff I don't "get" OC, HBK, and others, but I'm able to look at it objectively and see why people are entertained. Mox? No. I don't get it. f*** that dude. Bring back Ambrose. Please. Ok. We get it. Glad you get it. Blessed be my man.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Jul 5, 2023 16:28:54 GMT -5
Moxley spent the first couple years of his AEW run able to consistently pop the ratings. He doesn't do that anymore.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:04:39 GMT -5
Moxley spent the first couple years of his AEW run able to consistently pop the ratings. He doesn't do that anymore. He has plenty of times had some of the highest drawing segments of the show or close to it, so yes, he still does do that And this match that happened in a completely different company, has absolutely no correlation to that either.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2023 17:11:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry. But death match wrestling is f***ING stupid outside of the rare novelty. Idc how happy dude is, how much money he makes, or what ever. He's not entertaining to me as Jon Moxley. Dean Ambrose was a legit star to me. Moxley is like every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously. Just terrible shit. And I seriously don't see how anyone can be a fan. There's tons of stuff I don't "get" OC, HBK, and others, but I'm able to look at it objectively and see why people are entertained. Mox? No. I don't get it. f*** that dude. Bring back Ambrose. Please. You've gone on record several times that you feel like AEW just isn't for you, and this post might explain why You're in the severe minority with these takes man, sorry to say, but a lot of people love Jon Moxley and are happy seeing him do what he loves and how he loves to do it. He's a multiple time world champion of the company and is constantly presented as a final boss of said company, he's lost less than 10 matches in four years in terms of getting pinned. And they don't see it as "the worst tropes of a backyard wrestler presented seriously", especially when Moxley has very legitimately technical and brawling matches in AEW, and this match wasn't even IN AEW, in fact he'd never done this spot, in the years he'd been Jon Moxley again, like it or not it was likely a bucket list thing for him to do. I feel like it's fair if you don't like it, or don't get it... but Jon Moxley was legitimately losing his mind and confidence to keep wrestling in WWE as Dean Ambrose, he couldn't do it anymore, he went on record with this. He's not gonna bring it back just because you or some others don't get or want to see Jon Moxley, and he shouldn't if that's what makes him happy. And I'm sorry if that sucks for you dude, I really am, but a wrestler, or really an entertainer at large, isn't gonna bend to your specific whims, it just can't work that way.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Jul 5, 2023 17:24:29 GMT -5
I stopped being into deathmatch wrestling as I got older, but I'm not gonna shit on this until I actually watch the match. I felt like I would have no interest in the Mox/Kenny exploding barbed-wire match, but it was honestly really fun until the dud ending.
Idk the picture looks funny. Moxley has had plenty of great stories since leaving WWE and I'm glad to see that he gets to live his dream. He also comes across as two different figures in Japan and North America, so I'm never turned off by seeing him in AEW when stuff like this pops up. I don't feel like I'm anywhere near the target audience for it and that's fine by me.
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