asuka007
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 6, 2023 18:31:40 GMT -5
I’d rather do the skewers than take a ladder bump, or get dumped onto my head and neck.
The former may leave a few surface scars, but no lasting permanent damage. The latter, will however.
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Post by zero744 on Jul 6, 2023 18:37:19 GMT -5
It was already in blood and guts I don't recall them sticking out of his head like a mohawk though. If I remember correctly they didn’t stick very well and Mox wasn’t the recipient
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 6, 2023 20:23:58 GMT -5
I’d rather do the skewers than take a ladder bump, or get dumped onto my head and neck. The former may leave a few surface scars, but no lasting permanent damage. The latter, will however. Honestly with skewers from what my dm wrestling friends tell me. When you stick in a lot of them they just cause surface level scars and don't hurt as much as one skewer going in
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Kalmia
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 6, 2023 20:30:33 GMT -5
I love that after all of the debate in this thread, here comes Mox with some lovely words about why he does what he does.
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Post by Facetious on Jul 6, 2023 20:44:54 GMT -5
Man, this is why he's cool af.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 6, 2023 21:24:55 GMT -5
I failed to see why Moxley vs. Evil Uno in a throwaway TV match needed blood, even if it was Moxley who made Uno bleed. (don't worry, Moxley bled when Page ran in and hit Moxley with a barbed wire fist to heat up the build for their snoozefest Texas Death Match.) I fully conceded in the post that you grabbed this quote from that Moxley probably involves blood a little too gratuitously in inconsequential matches. But, bleeding in matches is something entirely different than having deathmatches. That's why I said Moxley is more 1980s Dusty Rhodes (as a face) or King Kong Bundy (as a heel) than Zandig. YMMV on whether or not you enjoy that, and I'm definitely not going to try and have an objective discussion about subjective opinions, but I do think that's it's just an outright falsity that Mox is any kind of a backyard wrestling trope. He's a territory throwback trope. The Evil Uno match was what soured me on Moxley's entire schtick. I was frustrated that the dude can't just wrestle, you know, a regular old match. He always has to bleed or make the other guy bleed. He has to go to the the floor right away. Or brawl in the crowd. Or use some kind of foreign object. It's exhausting. And in most instances, in AEW at least, he's not wrestling "death matches," but like I said about in the past two "Rate the AEW PPV" threads, for Revolution and Double or Nothing, he can't help but indulge his worst tendencies (Revolution) and his matches are cliched (Double or Nothing). Give me an angle where he loses a match with a stip that he can't rely on his usual bag of tricks or he's kayfabe fired, have him work 20-40 matches without his tired song-and-dance, and maybe I'll come back around on the guy. Let him wrestle within some confines or obstructions to show that he still can. Moxley doing stuff like what's shown in the OP might make him happy, but it's all just static to me.
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 6, 2023 21:38:18 GMT -5
I fully conceded in the post that you grabbed this quote from that Moxley probably involves blood a little too gratuitously in inconsequential matches. But, bleeding in matches is something entirely different than having deathmatches. That's why I said Moxley is more 1980s Dusty Rhodes (as a face) or King Kong Bundy (as a heel) than Zandig. YMMV on whether or not you enjoy that, and I'm definitely not going to try and have an objective discussion about subjective opinions, but I do think that's it's just an outright falsity that Mox is any kind of a backyard wrestling trope. He's a territory throwback trope. The Evil Uno match was what soured me on Moxley's entire schtick. I was frustrated that the dude can't just wrestle, you know, a regular old match. He always has to bleed or make the other guy bleed. He has to go to the the floor right away. Or brawl in the crowd. Or use some kind of foreign object. It's exhausting. And in most instances, in AEW at least, he's not wrestling "death matches," but like I said about in the past two "Rate the AEW PPV" threads, for Revolution and Double or Nothing, he can't help but indulge his worst tendencies (Revolution) and his matches are cliched (Double or Nothing). Give me an angle where he loses a match with a stip that he can't rely on his usual bag of tricks or he's kayfabe fired, have him work 20-40 matches without his tired song-and-dance, and maybe I'll come back around on the guy. Let him wrestle within some confines or obstructions to show that he still can. Moxley doing stuff like what's shown in the OP might make him happy, but it's all just static to me. You literally just picked a Death Match he had with Hangman to say he's not having death matches (you mean a blow off to a months long feud that has gone back and forth is a wild hate fueled brawl? how could he do such a thing), and a match at DoN which is deliberately a wild brawl. At both this year and last year's Forbidden Doors, he had normal non blood-infused very good matches. His matches against Punk and MJF as PPV main events didn't factor in blood that much (hell Punk was the one that bled in their match, not him). His tag matches with Punk against FTR, with Danielson and Claudio against Top Flight, the Jericho Dynamite title match where Jericho bled and he didn't, etc. He has a TON of matches that have been really great post WWE where he doesn't bleed, it's just selective memory where bleeding stands out because it leads to fun images.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 7, 2023 3:20:44 GMT -5
I can't believe we have six pages of discourse about this. This was new to me when I watched the GCW show with Matt Cardona winning their belt on it years back, but it wasn't even new in the industry when they did it on that show if I remember rightly.
The skewers are comically safe compared to almost anything in deathmatch wrestling, and deathmatch wrestling broadly isn't much more dangerous than any other wrestling. If I had to choose between a year of taking deathmatch spots and a year of having to get in the ring in any Japanese promotion, throw me in the wire. At least barbed wire is less likely to concuss me.
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Post by SneakMan on Jul 7, 2023 7:58:02 GMT -5
“Mox has to wrestle a series of matches and if he bleeds in any of them, he’s fired” is the most Russo-ass idea I’ve heard in a while.
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clifford
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Post by clifford on Jul 7, 2023 9:31:34 GMT -5
Man, this is why he's cool af. He's literally got this charmed life; so happy from him. There was a great quote from Randy Orton in a podcast he did in 2022 and it really applies to Mox: And I think more wrestlers, and in fact everyone, not just wrestlers should have this line of thought. Don't be like 'well what he does I don't like, he should do what I like'- just let a man be happy! If you like it, great, if you don't, who cares!!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 7, 2023 9:32:05 GMT -5
I’ve said before, bleeding I can take it or leave it as long as nobody is forced into doing it against their will.
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Post by poodoojenkins on Jul 7, 2023 9:34:47 GMT -5
There's a really bizarre air of self-importance and arrogance to the majority of the anti-Mox posts in here, like their opinion somehow carries more weight than everyone else. This is even weirder given that they are clearly the minority, both here and in the world at large.
I'm honestly somewhat ambivalent toward Mox. He's done some stuff I enjoy, some I don't, but overall seems like a good dude leading the life he wants to live. I just don't understand the self-righteous grandstanding over something that doesn't effect you in any way. Just don't watch his stuff.
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