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Post by Billie Gein on Jul 7, 2023 14:14:38 GMT -5
-12.67% against the previous year's show. I read this week that cable tv viewership is forecast to be down 20% for 2023, and Dynamite's viewership has declined by -7.92% so far this year, so read into that what you will.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Jul 7, 2023 14:19:07 GMT -5
Totally get it. And Dynamite is my favorite television show, so I am extremely happy it is doing well under the established metrics. I was just agreeing that I, personally, find them to be sort of random, myself. I think you overestimate the amount of spending power the older generations have, honestly. A lot of older folks aren't exactly living a life of luxury. Especially when you figure in medical expenses in this country's broken health care system. Not to mention other huge expenses like kids' college education funds, weddings, etc. They can also only lose buying power as opposed to gaining it after a certain age when you figure in retirement and having to live on social security checks.
As shitty as millennials and Gen Z have it compared to their forebears at their age, they still have the most disposable income in markets that major advertisers sell.
This is not a dig at all I absolutely swear.. But how far down the rabbit hole in ratings discussions are we getting when we're speculating about the buying power of senior citizens and how it could affect AEW lmao. Seriously. Not a dig. It's just funny.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 7, 2023 14:23:18 GMT -5
I think you overestimate the amount of spending power the older generations have, honestly. A lot of older folks aren't exactly living a life of luxury. Especially when you figure in medical expenses in this country's broken health care system. Not to mention other huge expenses like kids' college education funds, weddings, etc. They can also only lose buying power as opposed to gaining it after a certain age when you figure in retirement and having to live on social security checks.
As shitty as millennials and Gen Z have it compared to their forebears at their age, they still have the most disposable income in markets that major advertisers sell.
This is not a dig at all I absolutely swear.. But how far down the rabbit hole in ratings discussions are we getting when we're speculating about the buying power of senior citizens and how it could affect AEW lmao. Seriously. Not a dig. It's just funny. It has nothing to do with AEW specifically, though. Just explaining why 18-49 is considered the most important thing when it comes to Nielsen ratings and why it isn't some arbitrary thing. Because ultimately Nielsen is about advertising.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jul 7, 2023 14:23:44 GMT -5
I think you overestimate the amount of spending power the older generations have, honestly. A lot of older folks aren't exactly living a life of luxury. Especially when you figure in medical expenses in this country's broken health care system. Not to mention other huge expenses like kids' college education funds, weddings, etc. They can also only lose buying power as opposed to gaining it after a certain age when you figure in retirement and having to live on social security checks.
As shitty as millennials and Gen Z have it compared to their forebears at their age, they still have the most disposable income in markets that major advertisers sell.
This is not a dig at all I absolutely swear.. But how far down the rabbit hole in ratings discussions are we getting when we're speculating about the buying power of senior citizens and how it could affect AEW lmao. Seriously. Not a dig. It's just funny. You're not wrong. My initial comment was just meant to be a lighthearted jab at how easy it is to cherrypick ratings data, especially in 2023.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jul 7, 2023 14:47:21 GMT -5
Well that Kenny match did worse than I expected. Frankly, the entire Elite vs BCC feud has not done well relative to the shows they are on. The only exception is Moxley/Omega cage in Detroit. Also, Jericho in ring promo caused the biggest spike of viewership, which is interesting. Honestly I'm kind of stunned anyone still cares about Elite vs. BCC because this storyline was old before it even started. Some permutation of Mox vs. Hangman has been going on for goddamn ages and Mox vs. the Elite isn't exactly a fresh dynamic past that either. 🎯🎯🎯 Not to mention with the inclusion of Dark Order we are just rehashing the same stories being told since 2021. It’s time to move on.
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Post by markymark on Jul 7, 2023 14:58:42 GMT -5
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 7, 2023 15:20:20 GMT -5
Folks, are we really reduced to this? Are we going to have a thread - multiple threads going forward - based on Tony Khan's weekly "thanks!" tweets and f***ing "Big Nasty" from the bleacher report? There was a chance to let this end. It didn't have to continue. The way I look at it. Nobody forced you to click the thread. I see this complaint a lot on this forum and it baffles me because the same people that complain about the ratings thread clicks on it and complains. I'd rather the ratings sniping be contained to a thread and not spread to others thats my opinion anyway.
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 7, 2023 15:21:43 GMT -5
The gamut that gets run in AEW ratings threads is amazing, but makes for great entertainment. One person is posting that Alfred Konuwa needs to a banned source because he "manipulates" numbers then a handful of posts later someone else posts Meltzer's analysis of what 855,000 viewers in 2023 would be in 2019 numbers. I've asked this before, but does Meltzer ever source statements like this? This is not him using confidential locker room sources to talk about how unhappy somebody is. Statements like this are very to say, "according to (insert entertainment industry source), X number of viewers in 2023 is like having X number viewers in 2023 due to decrease in available households."
The only time I have ever seen anything Konuwa has written is when tweets of his have been posted either here or on Reddit, but calling him a homer is strong, especially when you look at so many AEW takes. The two most common rationalizations/defenses lately of ratings not being where fans (important to say fans, not necessarily WB/Discovery executives) seem to be:
1: You can't expect them to draw high viewership numbers because they're going up against Vanderpump/ MTV Challenge / Housewives, etc.
2: You can't expect them to draw high viewership numbers because there's nothing else on TV that is drawing a lot of viewers.
Sorry, but going with both arguments are like the ultimate homer takes.
Discussing ratings and viewership is cool. Arguing points are cool. But at the end of the day, it's OK to like what you like and just admit what you like doesn't connect with the number of people you think it should based on your tastes. I think RJ Payne and Tobe Nwigwe are two of the dopest rappers on the planet and both go about 50 times harder than Drake. But that's me and that is my opinion. At the end of the day hip-hop is readily accessible and people can find both of those dudes if they want to. The fact that combined they stream about 10 percent of Drake's numbers mean that they just don't reach and connect with most people the way they do me. And that's OK.
Dynamite is the A-show of a pro wrestling company that airs in primetime on a weeknight on a A-level network. It has been promoted during NBA broadcasts as well as other heavily-viewed shows that airs on TNT or TBS. The numbers they are hitting at this point are probably reflective of how many people prioritize watching it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 7, 2023 15:27:13 GMT -5
1: You can't expect them to draw high viewership numbers because they're going up against Vanderpump/ MTV Challenge / Housewives, etc. 2: You can't expect them to draw high viewership numbers because there's nothing else on TV that is drawing a lot of viewers. Sorry, but going with both arguments are like the ultimate homer takes. Those aren't contradictory statements though? There can be less viewers to go around while other shows are still also drawing solid viewer numbers that hurt their standing.
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 7, 2023 15:29:23 GMT -5
I saw somebody mention number manipulation earlier, but isn't that exactly what this tweet is doing? "No show on TV other than the Price is Right rerun did better than Dynamite?" Real talk, you think WB/Discovery wouldn't trade the 0.29 in the demo with 855K viewers for Judge Steve's 0.27 and 2.67 million or Young Sheldon's 0.27 million with 2.23 million? That's not a demo win while finishing slightly behind in total viewers. Those massive viewership differences.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 7, 2023 15:35:58 GMT -5
I saw somebody mention number manipulation earlier, but isn't that exactly what this tweet is doing? "No show on TV other than the Price is Right rerun did better than Dynamite?" Real talk, you think WB/Discovery wouldn't trade the 0.29 in the demo with 855K viewers for Judge Steve's 0.27 and 2.67 million or Young Sheldon's 0.27 million with 2.23 million? That's not a demo win while finishing slightly behind in total viewers. Those massive viewership differences. You realize you're comparing cable vs. network TV, right? They're in completely different ballparks to begin with.
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 7, 2023 15:36:00 GMT -5
1: You can't expect them to draw high viewership numbers because they're going up against Vanderpump/ MTV Challenge / Housewives, etc. 2: You can't expect them to draw high viewership numbers because there's nothing else on TV that is drawing a lot of viewers. Sorry, but going with both arguments are like the ultimate homer takes. Those aren't contradictory statements though? There can be less viewers to go around while other shows are still also drawing solid viewer numbers that hurt their standing. I'm not talking about standing, as much I'm talking about actual people watching the show. Using both statements to defend lack of viewership does seem contradictory. At no point did I criticize saying something like ratings will be dowb because of the NBA playoffs or World Series or major political event. I'm talking about regular episodes of a TV series. I'm faulting the logic of "viewership totals can't be expected to increase because of competition," while later using the logic of "viewership totals can't be expected to increase because lack of competition."
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Post by Cyno on Jul 7, 2023 15:36:19 GMT -5
Drainmaker (and a lot of wrestling fans tbh) don't get that ratings for broadcast networks are calculated using different metrics than cable networks. It's a completely unrealistic comparison.
Of course, WBD only has a 25% ownership stake in the ratings black hole that is CW so they wouldn't really care what AEW or any program does on broadcast because it isn't really their business.
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 7, 2023 15:37:16 GMT -5
I saw somebody mention number manipulation earlier, but isn't that exactly what this tweet is doing? "No show on TV other than the Price is Right rerun did better than Dynamite?" Real talk, you think WB/Discovery wouldn't trade the 0.29 in the demo with 855K viewers for Judge Steve's 0.27 and 2.67 million or Young Sheldon's 0.27 million with 2.23 million? That's not a demo win while finishing slightly behind in total viewers. Those massive viewership differences. You realize you're comparing cable vs. network TV, right? They're in completely different ballparks to begin with. The individual I quoted compared them. I'm pointing out how disingenuous the statement was from the jump.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 7, 2023 15:38:11 GMT -5
I hate to wade into the Ratings Discourse Discourse because this is lal kind of a nightmare but I do wanna say that the whole thing has gotten super rotbrain when just like the basic tenets of advertising and the structure of ratings becomes some weird number manipulation copium for AEW fans trying to justify away why old people magically don't count and don't have the money to count because this is shit I remember learning back in high school. If people wanna talk about the actual, tangible problems with ratings threads and the conflicts that go on in them then sure, yeah. But it feels like very quickly the whole "ratings threads are bad, actually" topic has been turned into another 'complain about AEW fans' talking point by some, at which point the whole sentiment's been upturned to instead become more fighting and snippiness. And no, Alfred Konuwa shouldn't be banned over his ratings reporting, and nobody thinks he should. He should be a banned source over the bizarre skit he did where he fantasized about Tony Khan calling him the n word. Back to joke doomposting because these threads are grimy and anything that isn't shitposting is an absolute failed venture.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 7, 2023 15:41:53 GMT -5
1: You can't expect them to draw high viewership numbers because they're going up against Vanderpump/ MTV Challenge / Housewives, etc. 2: You can't expect them to draw high viewership numbers because there's nothing else on TV that is drawing a lot of viewers. Sorry, but going with both arguments are like the ultimate homer takes. Those aren't contradictory statements though? There can be less viewers to go around while other shows are still also drawing solid viewer numbers that hurt their standing. I think those two statements are contradictory. The second point is not talking about less viewership due to cord cutting, it’s just talking about weeks where there is not much competition so there’s not a bunch of sports and reality shows beating it in the ratings, and people then say what do you expect nothing did big numbers this week, when the reason that happened is because those shows people bring up in point number 1 aren’t on that week.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 7, 2023 15:46:49 GMT -5
Saw someone post this elsewhere so haven’t fact checked myself, but apparently only 3 times this year the demo has shown growth from Q1 compared to Q8 and all 3 times were Omega singles matches.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 7, 2023 15:53:15 GMT -5
Saw someone post this elsewhere so haven’t fact checked myself, but apparently only 3 times this year the demo has shown growth from Q1 compared to Q8 and all 3 times were Omega singles matches. Every time people compare Omega in the main event as losing ratings and ignore that they do better than any other match in that time slot. Same thing with the BO7 vs Death Triangle
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Post by pinja on Jul 7, 2023 16:01:19 GMT -5
We narrow down the reasons for the poor ratings by listening closely to the theme song from "Dynamite". The lyrcis declare: "Light refuse, bring the doom. Dynamite!" And so many potential viewers lightly refuse the offer to watch "Dynamite".
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 7, 2023 16:02:38 GMT -5
When Friends is in the top 5 and two other episodes in the top 10 you know hardly anyone is watching TV.
Eh FRIENDS is actually really popular with the younger demo who are just discovering it, same with Seinfeld, they are enigma's of shows who never seem to slow down with the crowds.
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