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Post by clc on Jul 8, 2023 10:44:50 GMT -5
I was not too into it. I'm kind of over the Bloodline, so the first 40 minutes was wasted on me.
The woman's segment was too rushed, and Asuka is the main reason I watch Smackdown. So I did not like this being rushed. That said, it was still sort of effective in establishing there are plenty of contenders. IYO running in got me briefly hyped. Interesting thing about that segment. There were five women involved, and I think every single one of them is a heel? I really wish they would give the girls time to actually wrestle.
I liked the Edge vs Waller match. But for an old guy, Edge really doesn't put anyone over does he? Was Roman the only loss he took since coming back?
A poorly paced show, but nothing on it was awful. 6 out a 10.
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 8, 2023 10:46:09 GMT -5
With rumors that the Bloodline segment went TWENTY MINUTES OVER TIME in the opening segment, someone needs to talk to Roman or whoever is at fault about dragging stuff out for way too long as this is harming the rest of the roster. And its not a coincidence that the women are always the first to get cut as well. Ever since Stephanie left the company, the women have been treated like garbage. That's why this show was a 4/10 for me. If WWE isn't going to cut down on the absurdly long Bloodline segments, then they need to start cutting down on mens stuff instead of the women. Because we absolutely did not need Kross/Styles tonight. With rumors that the Bloodline segment went TWENTY MINUTES OVER TIME in the opening segment, someone needs to talk to Roman or whoever is at fault about dragging stuff out for way too long as this is harming the rest of the roster. And its not a coincidence that the women are always the first to get cut as well. Ever since Stephanie left the company, the women have been treated like garbage. That's why this show was a 4/10 for me. If WWE isn't going to cut down on the absurdly long Bloodline segments, then they need to start cutting down on mens stuff instead of the women. Because we absolutely did not need Kross/Styles tonight. That's absolutely insane. I get it's a hot program but I definitely felt like that heat segment went way too long and so did the build to it. The whole Trial of Roman had so much potential and it was just a random talking segment followed by a way too long beatdown. I could understand five, but TWENTY? That's a whole match and who knows what else cut, and other stuff felt blatantly rushed... that's just selfish, and for what? Basically what could have been accomplished if the segment had ended way sooner than that. Do y'all really think the opening Bloodline segment went over by 20 minutes? In order for that to be true, that would mean the original plan was to give them about 8 minutes of live screen time. Does that sound realistic?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 8, 2023 10:54:03 GMT -5
10/14/10
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Post by fw91 on Jul 8, 2023 11:36:15 GMT -5
here's the thing I struggle with since I was there live. Did the segment go on for too long? Yes. Of course. Absolutely. But all the while, I have to ask myself what would have I rather seen given what was on the show? Based on the dark pre-show and post-show it was clear that KO/Sami and LA Knight weren't going to be on the televised event. Edge/Waller were the only other two that got a lot of time and for good reason they were entertaining. Got to see a title match that didn't overstay its welcome, and although the women's segment was rushed, i can't say that I really care about Asuka, and I Enjoyed the MITB tease. Can't say I care about Karrion Kross at all, so that wasn't a big loss either. I voted a 7 but thats because of live bias, probably a 6 if I stayed home. imperfect but not offensive
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Post by XIII on Jul 8, 2023 12:17:18 GMT -5
I can all but guarantee that the Bloodline stuff didn’t run over by 20 minutes. LMAO at that. HHH himself would have came down there and shut that shit down once they hit 10 minutes over.
As is the show was probably in the 6.5-7 range for me, yes there was too much Bloodline. Waller getting some shine was cool, would have been cooler if he actually won and didn’t get the looking good in defeat push or at least maintained some sort of edge(no pun intended), the Asuka/Bianca/Charlotte stuff is death warmed over at this point. The Iyo tease was cool, but they’re still running with Bayley messing it up for her and Bayley is ice cold for me these days, Kross may be injured and no one cares about him either.
Overall a rare miss by the WWE lately. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by dbrussel on Jul 8, 2023 12:26:43 GMT -5
Is the show over? are you sure the trial segment isn't still going on?
6. Another SD where you forgot anything non-bloodline after 15 minutes. Props to Waller for showing a lot in so little time.
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Post by mistery on Jul 8, 2023 13:13:15 GMT -5
PWInsider is confirming that the Bloodline segment went longer than originally planned, which led to a bunch of segments getting their time significantly cut, the one most impacted was the women's segment.
Also its not hard to see the segment going 20 minutes over time either. Them having Roman's long ass entrance (they seriously need to start cutting down on how long it takes him to hit the ring, even Undertaker's entrance took less time than his), the promo and following beatdown that went on an eternity, and the fact that they literally replayed the beatdown immediately after commercial was entirely unnecessary.
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 8, 2023 17:31:44 GMT -5
PWInsider is confirming that the Bloodline segment went longer than originally planned, which led to a bunch of segments getting their time significantly cut, the one most impacted was the women's segment. Also its not hard to see the segment going 20 minutes over time either. Them having Roman's long ass entrance (they seriously need to start cutting down on how long it takes him to hit the ring, even Undertaker's entrance took less time than his), the promo and following beatdown that went on an eternity, and the fact that they literally replayed the beatdown immediately after commercial was entirely unnecessary. It's not hard to see the segment going 20 minutes over time? I just pulled it up on DVR. Here's the times 4:45: Start of Usos entrance 11:15: Start of commercial break 15:20: Return from commercial 35:28: End of segment / Go to commercial 29 minutes 43 seconds from beginning of entrance to end of segment. 4 minutes 5 seconds for commercial. You think the they originally allocated 5 minutes and 38 seconds of screen time to the Bloodline segment? Also, it should be noted the Ehibit A video package was 1 minute 35 seconds. That leaves 4 minutes and 3 seconds. Does going over by 20 minutes really sound like a possibility?
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 8, 2023 17:50:23 GMT -5
here's the thing I struggle with since I was there live. Did the segment go on for too long? Yes. Of course. Absolutely. But all the while, I have to ask myself what would have I rather seen given what was on the show? Based on the dark pre-show and post-show it was clear that KO/Sami and LA Knight weren't going to be on the televised event. Edge/Waller were the only other two that got a lot of time and for good reason they were entertaining. Got to see a title match that didn't overstay its welcome, and although the women's segment was rushed, i can't say that I really care about Asuka, and I Enjoyed the MITB tease. Can't say I care about Karrion Kross at all, so that wasn't a big loss either. I voted a 7 but thats because of live bias, probably a 6 if I stayed home. imperfect but not offensive I’d like to see the Women actually get time. That would be good. They always seemed to get hosed in these types of situations. How about letting Asuka do ANYTHING as champion?
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Post by fw91 on Jul 8, 2023 18:08:59 GMT -5
here's the thing I struggle with since I was there live. Did the segment go on for too long? Yes. Of course. Absolutely. But all the while, I have to ask myself what would have I rather seen given what was on the show? Based on the dark pre-show and post-show it was clear that KO/Sami and LA Knight weren't going to be on the televised event. Edge/Waller were the only other two that got a lot of time and for good reason they were entertaining. Got to see a title match that didn't overstay its welcome, and although the women's segment was rushed, i can't say that I really care about Asuka, and I Enjoyed the MITB tease. Can't say I care about Karrion Kross at all, so that wasn't a big loss either. I voted a 7 but thats because of live bias, probably a 6 if I stayed home. imperfect but not offensive I’d like to see the Women actually get time. That would be good. They always seemed to get hosed in these types of situations. How about letting Asuka do ANYTHING as champion? I’m sorry and I don’t mean to be antagonistic when I say this. I know you’re a big fan, but I really don’t think Asuka is really over with the fans as much you’d like her to be.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 8, 2023 19:00:43 GMT -5
I’d like to see the Women actually get time. That would be good. They always seemed to get hosed in these types of situations. How about letting Asuka do ANYTHING as champion? I’m sorry and I don’t mean to be antagonistic when I say this. I know you’re a big fan, but I really don’t think Asuka is really over with the fans as much you’d like her to be. Except she consistently gets over WHEN she’s allowed to. WWE doesn’t put any effort into anything except The Bloodline stuff, and that is the big problem.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 8, 2023 19:17:48 GMT -5
I’m sorry and I don’t mean to be antagonistic when I say this. I know you’re a big fan, but I really don’t think Asuka is really over with the fans as much you’d like her to be. Except she consistently gets over WHEN she’s allowed to. WWE doesn’t put any effort into anything except The Bloodline stuff, and that is the big problem. But my answer to that and please stick with me on this is LA Knight. They haven’t done much with him (but hopefully will) yet he is the most over guy on the roster. I’ve honestly never seen the crowd care all that much about her exception being on NXT, which has proven to be a different audience.
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Post by mistery on Jul 8, 2023 20:22:43 GMT -5
Except she consistently gets over WHEN she’s allowed to. WWE doesn’t put any effort into anything except The Bloodline stuff, and that is the big problem. But my answer to that and please stick with me on this is LA Knight. They haven’t done much with him (but hopefully will) yet he is the most over guy on the roster. I’ve honestly never seen the crowd care all that much about her exception being on NXT, which has proven to be a different audience. Yeah this ain't it chief. LA Knight is getting time to get over most weeks. Asuka is not getting time. It doesn't help that she's been treated like a B+ star for several years, and it's painfully clear WWE doesn't want her getting over as a top star, which is why they constantly cut her knees out from under her. Whenever she's been pushed even remotely strong, she gets cheered more than a lot of other women. Hell, remember that fans were real pissed that she lost at Mania against Bianca. WWE made the mistake of thinking the average fan gives a shit about records like the one Bianca set, when in reality they kneecapped her return momentum (at the Rumble) by having her lose to Bianca at Wrestlemania. Hell, Hashtag was there and said the audience didn't like the finish, and the next night on RAW Bianca got booed as well. Because guess who gets their segments cut first for this Bloodline stuff? It's the women. Maybe it's time to keep the Bloodline stuff to a much lower level than it currently is, because all it does now is take away time from the rest of the locker room. It's fine to continue running the Bloodline stuff, but it doesn't need to dominate 30-50 of non-match time per show. I get that the Bloodline stuff is the main attraction of the show, but it should be capped out at like maybe 10-20 minutes of non-match time per week at this point. Not 30-40. They can also cut down significantly on recapping events that literally happened like 5 minutes ago. As long as the women keep getting their time cut, it'll be hard for them to get over. It's not goddamn hard to get Asuka over either. Just have her run over some local jobbers or lower faces like Shotzi, Zelina, etc. But again, WWE doesn't want her getting over as a huge face, as it's clear the only women they want getting over is Charlotte and Bianca. The company chosen ones.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 8, 2023 20:54:11 GMT -5
But my answer to that and please stick with me on this is LA Knight. They haven’t done much with him (but hopefully will) yet he is the most over guy on the roster. I’ve honestly never seen the crowd care all that much about her exception being on NXT, which has proven to be a different audience. Yeah this ain't it chief. LA Knight is getting time to get over most weeks. Asuka is not getting time. It doesn't help that she's been treated like a B+ star for several years, and it's painfully clear WWE doesn't want her getting over as a top star, which is why they constantly cut her knees out from under her. Whenever she's been pushed even remotely strong, she gets cheered more than a lot of other women. Hell, remember that fans were real pissed that she lost at Mania against Bianca. WWE made the mistake of thinking the average fan gives a shit about records like the one Bianca set, when in reality they kneecapped her return momentum (at the Rumble) by having her lose to Bianca at Wrestlemania. Hell, Hashtag was there and said the audience didn't like the finish, and the next night on RAW Bianca got booed as well. Because guess who gets their segments cut first for this Bloodline stuff? It's the women. Maybe it's time to keep the Bloodline stuff to a much lower level than it currently is, because all it does now is take away time from the rest of the locker room. It's fine to continue running the Bloodline stuff, but it doesn't need to dominate 30-50 of non-match time per show. I get that the Bloodline stuff is the main attraction of the show, but it should be capped out at like maybe 10-20 minutes of non-match time per week at this point. Not 30-40. They can also cut down significantly on recapping events that literally happened like 5 minutes ago. As long as the women keep getting their time cut, it'll be hard for them to get over. It's not goddamn hard to get Asuka over either. Just have her run over some local jobbers or lower faces like Shotzi, Zelina, etc. But again, WWE doesn't want her getting over as a huge face, as it's clear the only women they want getting over is Charlotte and Bianca. The company chosen ones. I get the women being cut argument that’s valid. I’m just saying, let’s not act like Asuka always gets the short end of the stick in her career in WWE. She’s had several title reigns, won the inaugural Royal rumble, and never really been treated as a jobber albeit not a horsewomen. Liv Morgan isn’t getting the horsewomen treatment either, but she’s still over.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 21:05:16 GMT -5
Yeah this ain't it chief. LA Knight is getting time to get over most weeks. Asuka is not getting time. It doesn't help that she's been treated like a B+ star for several years, and it's painfully clear WWE doesn't want her getting over as a top star, which is why they constantly cut her knees out from under her. Whenever she's been pushed even remotely strong, she gets cheered more than a lot of other women. Hell, remember that fans were real pissed that she lost at Mania against Bianca. WWE made the mistake of thinking the average fan gives a shit about records like the one Bianca set, when in reality they kneecapped her return momentum (at the Rumble) by having her lose to Bianca at Wrestlemania. Hell, Hashtag was there and said the audience didn't like the finish, and the next night on RAW Bianca got booed as well. Because guess who gets their segments cut first for this Bloodline stuff? It's the women. Maybe it's time to keep the Bloodline stuff to a much lower level than it currently is, because all it does now is take away time from the rest of the locker room. It's fine to continue running the Bloodline stuff, but it doesn't need to dominate 30-50 of non-match time per show. I get that the Bloodline stuff is the main attraction of the show, but it should be capped out at like maybe 10-20 minutes of non-match time per week at this point. Not 30-40. They can also cut down significantly on recapping events that literally happened like 5 minutes ago. As long as the women keep getting their time cut, it'll be hard for them to get over. It's not goddamn hard to get Asuka over either. Just have her run over some local jobbers or lower faces like Shotzi, Zelina, etc. But again, WWE doesn't want her getting over as a huge face, as it's clear the only women they want getting over is Charlotte and Bianca. The company chosen ones. I get the women being cut argument that’s valid. I’m just saying, let’s not act like Asuka always gets the short end of the stick in her career in WWE. She’s had several title reigns, won the inaugural Royal rumble, and never really been treated as a jobber albeit not a horsewomen. Liv Morgan isn’t getting the horsewomen treatment either, but she’s still over. Gonna just chime on just a little here. If there is ANY singular moment that could tell you everything you need to know about Asuka on the main roster it is her winning the first womens rumble only to get her knees outright capped because she is IMMEDIATELY treated as a complete non entity when Ronda debuts. Asuka may have accolades that one could point to and say how could she get the short end of the stick with all she has accomplished , but on the flip side how often have those come along with her being completely kneecapped...her aforementioned rumble victory , her undefeated streak , her numerous title reigns and all of those easily prove she has gotten the short end of the stick just as much if not more. Hell whats it say that her best title reign on the main roster was her as a tag champion.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 8, 2023 21:22:09 GMT -5
I get the women being cut argument that’s valid. I’m just saying, let’s not act like Asuka always gets the short end of the stick in her career in WWE. She’s had several title reigns, won the inaugural Royal rumble, and never really been treated as a jobber albeit not a horsewomen. Liv Morgan isn’t getting the horsewomen treatment either, but she’s still over. Gonna just chime on just a little here. If there is ANY singular moment that could tell you everything you need to know about Asuka on the main roster it is her winning the first womens rumble only to get her knees outright capped because she is IMMEDIATELY treated as a complete non entity when Ronda debuts. Asuka may have accolades that one could point to and say how could she get the short end of the stick with all she has accomplished , but on the flip side how often have those come along with her being completely kneecapped...her aforementioned rumble victory , her undefeated streak , her numerous title reigns and all of those easily prove she has gotten the short end of the stick just as much if not more. Hell whats it say that her best title reign on the main roster was her as a tag champion. Yeah, the Ronda argument is a great counterpoint, I can concede that one sure. Nevertheless, I still think she really hasn't been all that over. Even she did get her pushes halted, it's not like the fans showed much discontent.
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 9, 2023 0:05:49 GMT -5
I hope I don't sound dumb with the following statement, but the whole mistreatment of Asuka concept is something that would have never occurred to me if not for online forums.
Asuka has held every title in WWE, won Money in the Bank, won the women's Royal Rumble, is the only woman (to my knowledge) to beat all four horsewomen as well as Bianca Belair and is always booked as threatening.
I know there is more that could be done with Asuka, like many wrestlers, but the idea that she is just mistreated and booked with no respect for her seems pretty fictional.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 9, 2023 11:20:24 GMT -5
I hope I don't sound dumb with the following statement, but the whole mistreatment of Asuka concept is something that would have never occurred to me if not for online forums. Asuka has held every title in WWE, won Money in the Bank, won the women's Royal Rumble, is the only woman (to my knowledge) to beat all four horsewomen as well as Bianca Belair and is always booked as threatening. I know there is more that could be done with Asuka, like many wrestlers, but the idea that she is just mistreated and booked with no respect for her seems pretty fictional. Yeah, people go too far to extremes when describing her run. She wouldn’t have so many accolades if the company didn’t value her on some level. At the same time, it’s also true that it seems like she’s never really the protagonist of any stories, even when she’s champion. Smacks of Vince’s old “they’re a good hand, but not my top champ” booking he even did to guys like Bret Hart fairly often, though Bret at least got a few runs as the main guy and all that. Basically yeah, they do value her, but they also don’t view her as being the tops in the division. She’s the gatekeeper, not the “S tier”, so to speak.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 9, 2023 11:59:42 GMT -5
I hope I don't sound dumb with the following statement, but the whole mistreatment of Asuka concept is something that would have never occurred to me if not for online forums. Asuka has held every title in WWE, won Money in the Bank, won the women's Royal Rumble, is the only woman (to my knowledge) to beat all four horsewomen as well as Bianca Belair and is always booked as threatening. I know there is more that could be done with Asuka, like many wrestlers, but the idea that she is just mistreated and booked with no respect for her seems pretty fictional. Yeah, people go too far to extremes when describing her run. She wouldn’t have so many accolades if the company didn’t value her on some level. At the same time, it’s also true that it seems like she’s never really the protagonist of any stories, even when she’s champion. Smacks of Vince’s old “they’re a good hand, but not my top champ” booking he even did to guys like Bret Hart fairly often, though Bret at least got a few runs as the main guy admits all that. Basically yeah, they do value her, but they also don’t view her as being the tops in the division. She’s the gatekeeper, not the “S tier”, so to speak. I’ve made the Bret Hart analogy many times before, I’m just sad it’s the kind of role that gets met with derision and ridicule by the fans these days, like it’s something Asuka should be ashamed of.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 9, 2023 12:28:51 GMT -5
Yeah, people go too far to extremes when describing her run. She wouldn’t have so many accolades if the company didn’t value her on some level. At the same time, it’s also true that it seems like she’s never really the protagonist of any stories, even when she’s champion. Smacks of Vince’s old “they’re a good hand, but not my top champ” booking he even did to guys like Bret Hart fairly often, though Bret at least got a few runs as the main guy admits all that. Basically yeah, they do value her, but they also don’t view her as being the tops in the division. She’s the gatekeeper, not the “S tier”, so to speak. I’ve made the Bret Hart analogy many times before, I’m just sad it’s the kind of role that gets met with derision and ridicule by the fans these days, like it’s something Asuka should be ashamed of. Especially when you consider that if you laid out Auska's WWE run and asked most woman working indies (or hell, several on NXT/The main roster) if she'd take it, the answer would probably be "in a second"
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