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Post by Treklubj on Jul 9, 2023 14:22:03 GMT -5
Yeah, people go too far to extremes when describing her run. She wouldn’t have so many accolades if the company didn’t value her on some level. At the same time, it’s also true that it seems like she’s never really the protagonist of any stories, even when she’s champion. Smacks of Vince’s old “they’re a good hand, but not my top champ” booking he even did to guys like Bret Hart fairly often, though Bret at least got a few runs as the main guy admits all that. Basically yeah, they do value her, but they also don’t view her as being the tops in the division. She’s the gatekeeper, not the “S tier”, so to speak. I’ve made the Bret Hart analogy many times before, I’m just sad it’s the kind of role that gets met with derision and ridicule by the fans these days, like it’s something Asuka should be ashamed of. Person A: Asuka's role has been kinda like a Bret Hart of WWE's women's division, maybe slightly below. Person B: Yeah, I know. They totally refuse to push her or even use her correctly. Just because you aren't the absolute top of the card superstar doesn't mean you're a scrub who nobody in the company values. |
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 9, 2023 14:25:03 GMT -5
I’ve made the Bret Hart analogy many times before, I’m just sad it’s the kind of role that gets met with derision and ridicule by the fans these days, like it’s something Asuka should be ashamed of. Especially when you consider that if you laid out Auska's WWE run and asked most woman working indies (or hell, several on NXT/The main roster) if she'd take it, the answer would probably be "in a second" Most men in main roster - WWE or AEW would take Asuka's run if laid out to them. |
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 9, 2023 14:36:04 GMT -5
Like, while I wouldn't be surprised if the Bloodline trial segment did run longer than expected, people seriously thinking that they let it go 20 minutes over is really absurd. That's complete amateur hour stuff that no experienced television crew would let happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 14:57:36 GMT -5
Like, while I wouldn't be surprised if the Bloodline trial segment did run longer than expected, people seriously thinking that they let it go 20 minutes over is really absurd. That's complete amateur hour stuff that no experienced television crew would let happen. Considering the way the rest of the show played out I would say the chances that it went 20 min over is pretty damn likely. Not saying it was a thing that happened but seeing as the rest of the show was pretty much nothing burger then it feels like that segment went way longer than it should have. |
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 9, 2023 15:12:24 GMT -5
Even going over 5 minutes can be very disruptive to a show and that's a lot more realistic to believe. The rest of the show being a nothing burger was likely by design than unintended consequence of a segment being allowed to go rogue by a ridiculous degree.
I just think people are grossly underestimating just how long 20 minutes is in TV time. That's not just a segment. That's going over by an entire half-hour show's worth of content less commercials. With the timeline laid out by other posters, that would've meant the original trial segment would've been 5 minutes or so. You can't balloon 5 minutes worth of content by that much unless Roman decided it was time to order a pizza and waited around in the ring for the delivery person to get to him.
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 9, 2023 16:44:05 GMT -5
Like, while I wouldn't be surprised if the Bloodline trial segment did run longer than expected, people seriously thinking that they let it go 20 minutes over is really absurd. That's complete amateur hour stuff that no experienced television crew would let happen. Considering the way the rest of the show played out I would say the chances that it went 20 min over is pretty damn likely. Not saying it was a thing that happened but seeing as the rest of the show was pretty much nothing burger then it feels like nd thanthat segment went way longer than it should have. I pointed out earlier in the thread that when factoring in the commercial break and the Exhibit A video, going over by 20 minutes means the original plan would have been for the segment to have 4 minutes and 3 seconds of live screen time. Based on that alone, it is just not possible that the segment went over by 20 minutes. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 10, 2023 8:13:27 GMT -5
I’ve made the Bret Hart analogy many times before, I’m just sad it’s the kind of role that gets met with derision and ridicule by the fans these days, like it’s something Asuka should be ashamed of. Person A: Asuka's role has been kinda like a Bret Hart of WWE's women's division, maybe slightly below. Person B: Yeah, I know. They totally refuse to push her or even use her correctly. Just because you aren't the absolute top of the card superstar doesn't mean you're a scrub who nobody in the company values. Thing is, people are allowed to feel that’s a misuse of her talents, too. If you believe she’s the best they’ve got, or at least among the top three or so, it’s understandable to see her booked a tier below others, even when she’s holding a title, and think there’s something wrong with that. But yes, on the other hand it doesn’t mean she’s been completely wasted by their booking, either. |
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Post by Celgress on Jul 12, 2023 21:45:20 GMT -5
5 out of 10 or average; nothing great, nothing terrible, IMHO.
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