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Post by PTBartman on Jul 10, 2023 18:26:17 GMT -5
Even I was in the group that thought the segment went way too long and seemed to throw off the balance of the rest of the show But when it doesn't hurt the number, and actively increases it, hard to argue with results Roman's never losing these damn titles though, we're in purgatory lol I think we're beyond purgatory, and this is a Dantean level of hell 🤣
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Post by bob on Jul 10, 2023 18:30:42 GMT -5
Even I was in the group that thought the segment went way too long and seemed to throw off the balance of the rest of the show But when it doesn't hurt the number, and actively increases it, hard to argue with results Roman's never losing these damn titles though, we're in purgatory lol I think we're beyond purgatory, and this is a Dantean level of hell 🤣
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Post by Totorob101 on Jul 10, 2023 18:35:13 GMT -5
Its incredible and honestly im pleased for Roman because he has always had the talent and willpower to be a big succeess and it is indeed showing to be true. People will keep knocking him of course and hating the bloodline stuff which is perfectly fine but does anyone really think anyone could do and draw so well as Roman and co are doing?
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Post by ghost on Jul 10, 2023 18:40:04 GMT -5
I’ve said before, I’m a casual, and Roman always draws me in. I can’t say that about much that has happened since 2003. He’s a legit star/draw. Not in a “shoved down your throat” kind of way like in the 2010’s, but in the true sense of the word. Not surprised at all that the company wanted to squeeze more juice out of this run.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 10, 2023 18:45:51 GMT -5
Every time I think maybe The Bloodline has peaked (CATC, RR/EC, post-WM) it keeps getting bigger. If Roman drops the title at Wrestlemania 40 I think it's easily going to be an all-time moment and mark this as one of the greatest stories/runs in wrestling history.
My biggest worry a few months back was would they be able to keep it hot all the way to another WM but I'm getting close to believing it's not going to be the issue I thought it could be. Even today it's only 6 months until Royal Rumble. The Uso stuff probably takes you to Survivor Series/War Games then you're almost at RR/WM season already.
0.94 demo in 2023 is an insane number. I wonder what the highest rated wrestling segment on TV is for each decade.
80s - The Hogan/Andre rematch in 1988 that got like 30 million viewers. 90s - I've heard various 1999 answers over the years so not sure exactly what's number one. Austin/Taker title match. Rock: This is Your Life. A Raw 6 man tag with Austin/Rock/Vince v HHH/Taker/Shane. And of course the real big one...Patterson & Brisco v Mean Street Posse. 2000s - Something from 2000 I think but not sure what exact segment/show. 2010s - The first ever Rock/Cena in-ring promo in 2011 got over 7 million viewers so probably nothing topped that. 2020s - It must be that Roman/Owens cage match that opened the SD after the huge NFL lead in that one time. If you think it's cheating to include that then this week's segment might be number one.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jul 10, 2023 18:53:55 GMT -5
clearly I'm in the minority who is sick of all this Bloodline shit but that is a helluva number WWE learned from the Cena years that fans will either give up entirely or give in and simply accept it. However, unlike that time, WWE learned that actually switching the alignment of the guy and booking him well will garner better reactions. Still think Cody should have gone over at WrestleMania, so this is all Willie hears ya, Willie don't care to me. Cool for popping a number on just one segment, I guess!
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 10, 2023 18:56:03 GMT -5
Even I was in the group that thought the segment went way too long and seemed to throw off the balance of the rest of the show But when it doesn't hurt the number, and actively increases it, hard to argue with results Roman's never losing these damn titles though, we're in purgatory lol I dunno about never losing the titles, but wrestling history would certainly suggest that they're not going to neatly wrap everything up at WM40 and move on to something new. They're going to ride The Bloodline until the wheels fall off.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 10, 2023 19:01:24 GMT -5
clearly I'm in the minority who is sick of all this Bloodline shit but that is a helluva number WWE learned from the Cena years that fans will either give up entirely or give in and simply accept it. However, unlike that time, WWE learned that actually switching the alignment of the guy and booking him well will garner better reactions. Still think Cody should have gone over at WrestleMania, so this is all Willie hears ya, Willie don't care to me. Cool for popping a number on just one segment, I guess! We're way past it being 'just one segment'. According to the chart in the OP Smackdown ratings in Q2 and Q3 (so since WM) are up 12% and 18% respectively.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jul 10, 2023 19:08:10 GMT -5
WWE learned from the Cena years that fans will either give up entirely or give in and simply accept it. However, unlike that time, WWE learned that actually switching the alignment of the guy and booking him well will garner better reactions. Still think Cody should have gone over at WrestleMania, so this is all Willie hears ya, Willie don't care to me. Cool for popping a number on just one segment, I guess! We're way past it being 'just one segment'. According to the chart in the OP Smackdown ratings in Q2 and Q3 (so since WM) are up 12% and 18% respectively. I'm just relieved to know that the terrible booking of the 2015 Royal Rumble and Reigns' multiple coronations as 'the guy' were finally worth it
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 10, 2023 19:08:17 GMT -5
Now if they’d only but even half the effort into making other good storylines that they have with this one.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 10, 2023 19:44:59 GMT -5
Kinda makes you think about what will Roman's legacy end up being?
I ask this because of John Cena. People started to come around on him and give him his flowers after his full time career ended. But nevertheless, his haters will go to "He is responsible for fans leaving in droves." I'd argue that for the most part as a face, Roman was boo'ed worse than Cena ever did. But looking at the numbers, he isn't causing the fans to bail.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 10, 2023 20:03:44 GMT -5
Kinda makes you think about what will Roman's legacy end up being? I ask this because of John Cena. People started to come around on him and give him his flowers after his full time career ended. But nevertheless, his haters will go to "He is responsible for fans leaving in droves." I'd argue that for the most part as a face, Roman was boo'ed worse than Cena ever did. But looking at the numbers, he isn't causing the fans to bail. With Roman it’s complicated because it first almost a decade or so of trying to make him the top babyface, did not work. He’s only really caught fire in the last three years or so.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 10, 2023 20:04:32 GMT -5
Kinda makes you think about what will Roman's legacy end up being? I ask this because of John Cena. People started to come around on him and give him his flowers after his full time career ended. But nevertheless, his haters will go to "He is responsible for fans leaving in droves." I'd argue that for the most part as a face, Roman was boo'ed worse than Cena ever did. But looking at the numbers, he isn't causing the fans to bail. With Roman it’s complicated because it first almost a decade or so of trying to make him the top babyface, did not work. He’s only really caught fire in the last three years or so.
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Post by homersyndrome on Jul 10, 2023 20:08:25 GMT -5
We're way past it being 'just one segment'. According to the chart in the OP Smackdown ratings in Q2 and Q3 (so since WM) are up 12% and 18% respectively. I'm just relieved to know that the terrible booking of the 2015 Royal Rumble and Reigns' multiple coronations as 'the guy' were finally worth it I mean….the company is making more money than they ever have in their history? So…yeah?
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Post by Fade on Jul 10, 2023 20:21:48 GMT -5
Well deserved. Kinda makes you think about what will Roman's legacy end up being? I ask this because of John Cena. People started to come around on him and give him his flowers after his full time career ended. But nevertheless, his haters will go to "He is responsible for fans leaving in droves." I'd argue that for the most part as a face, Roman was boo'ed worse than Cena ever did. But looking at the numbers, he isn't causing the fans to bail. Kind of alluded to it before, but Roman’s story as “The Guy” is fascinating both on a kayfabe and shoot level. Think the next few years will truly etch his place in history. I dunno, for me, personally, he’s already easily surpassed Cena. Brock. Think by the time all’s said and done he’ll be looked on as within top 5 of all time.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jul 10, 2023 20:29:54 GMT -5
Even I was in the group that thought the segment went way too long and seemed to throw off the balance of the rest of the show But when it doesn't hurt the number, and actively increases it, hard to argue with results Roman's never losing these damn titles though, we're in purgatory lol I dunno about never losing the titles, but wrestling history would certainly suggest that they're not going to neatly wrap everything up at WM40 and move on to something new. They're going to ride The Bloodline until the wheels fall off. It is so similar in some ways to the Goldberg scenario in 98. The criticism has always been that they beat him before the numbers started to go down. Business/interest continued to be strong even with WWF finding what worked. The claim is Heenan privately let others know besting Goldberg was the beginning of the end. Until the Bloodline’s numbers really take a dip, they shouldn’t have Roman lose. As business goes, so should Roman’s “streak.” Nash wasn’t the right choice at Starrcade, but the pop it got was massive.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 10, 2023 20:51:01 GMT -5
tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/fox-2022-23-tv-season-ratings/Take a look at the average 18-49 ratings for Fox this season (they don’t include Smackdown for some reason) The average 18-49 rating for Smackdown this year is 0.60, making it their third highest rated show. Fox has to be happy with these numbers.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 10, 2023 23:04:09 GMT -5
If WWE wrangles a couple extra hundred million out of Fox, they'll owe it to the bloodline. My goodness
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 10, 2023 23:04:40 GMT -5
With the ammount of time dedicated and effort put into this entire Bloodline angle this is what they should be expecting out of their segments because nothing else and no one else comes even close to having this much dedicated to their stuff. Hey WWE..there is an underlying lesson here...how about giving the rest of the roster this much effort and having ALL your segments draw quarter hours like this just saying. Over the past year or so, do you not think significant effort has been put into Judgment Day, Cody Rhodes, Seth Rollins, Becky Lynch, Bianca Belair, Gunther, Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens, to name a few? Granted Zayn and KO are kinda Bloodline-adjacent but all of the acts I've mentioned have been hot as hell over the past year and none (except Zayn/KO when working with Roman and the family) have consistently produced these type of viewing numbers. The fact is, these types of number are not easy to produce in today's TV market.
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Post by Treklubj on Jul 10, 2023 23:10:00 GMT -5
It's crazy when I open threads like this one and some posters actually seem to be upset over the success of a TV show. It reminds of the last round of TV deals when some people were actually pissed off that WWE got the size contracts they did with USA and Fox.
Like I kinda get how people want others to like a show they like, but I can't begin to wrap my head around the mindset of being angered by people apparently digging something they don't like.
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