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Post by MrElijah on Jul 19, 2023 13:54:38 GMT -5
-New Generation had horrible gimmicks but had some really great stuff with Bret vs. Owen, The Rise of Austin, SID, HBK vs. Razor, '96 Diesel and Mankind.
-Guest Host Era was just a slog to get through. From. 80-90% of the hosts just not giving a f***, Chavo vs. Hornswoggle Best of WHY Series, Heel Cole. But we did get Huge Jackman, Bob Barker & Shatner having some fun episodes.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 19, 2023 14:05:19 GMT -5
There was a lot of bad TV in the guest host-era, but it was mostly coherent.
The period where they were just flailing around with Raw Underground, Raw After Dark, 2 out 3 falls matches... that was when all the chaos behind the scenes with Vince's endless whims spilled out onto the screen. It's remarkable they didn't lose more viewers than they did considering the show was having a breakdown.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 19, 2023 14:10:13 GMT -5
When I see posts like these I have to think people either didn't watch the Guest Host Era or they've simply blacked it out of their minds like PTSD...
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 19, 2023 14:14:37 GMT -5
It's the period that got me to stop watching WWE regularly for the first time since 2005 so I'd consider it really f***ing bad, yes. Like as bad as the Guest Host era on Raw was, Smackdown was mostly watchable at the time. I think.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 19, 2023 14:24:52 GMT -5
Whatever year it was when Road Dogg had to say "A-Crooked letter-Crooked letter" instead of ass.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 19, 2023 14:34:53 GMT -5
Late '00s/early '10s WWE was so cringe. I really, really don't want this to be misinterpreted as anti-PG, but it felt they were trying SO hard to be PG during that time, if that makes any sense. It's like dead on though lmao PG wouldn't have been the scary letters of doom to my tiny baby smark brain if the show wasn't this Pizza Hut looking nightmare with bouncy ass music and everyone dressed like they're at the Teen's Choice Awards What is always funny when people moan about PG was, like, WWF in 1999, in particular Smackdown, was PG. So yes, Big Bossman cooking Al Snow's dog and feeding it to him was rated PG. Kids could watch that with Adult Supervision.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Jul 19, 2023 15:05:45 GMT -5
It's like dead on though lmao PG wouldn't have been the scary letters of doom to my tiny baby smark brain if the show wasn't this Pizza Hut looking nightmare with bouncy ass music and everyone dressed like they're at the Teen's Choice Awards What is always funny when people moan about PG was, like, WWF in 1999, in particular Smackdown, was PG. So yes, Big Bossman cooking Al Snow's dog and feeding it to him was rated PG. Kids could watch that with Adult Supervision. The Parental Guidance is explaining to your kids that Big Bossman isn't really dead after getting crushed by that car the week after you had to explain that Triple H isn't really dead after getting crushed by that car
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Jul 19, 2023 16:18:10 GMT -5
The 2nd half of 2003 Smackdown was pretty atrocious.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 19, 2023 16:39:40 GMT -5
A lot of 2004-2006 WWE was pretty dire. 2005 in particular was full of a ton of stuff that was either shit or offensive or both.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 19, 2023 16:56:50 GMT -5
A lot of 2004-2006 WWE was pretty dire. 2005 in particular was full of a ton of stuff that was either shit or offensive or both. 2005 was also the year Eddie died, and the rest of that year felt like a depressing slog as a result.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 19, 2023 17:16:26 GMT -5
A lot of 2004-2006 WWE was pretty dire. 2005 in particular was full of a ton of stuff that was either shit or offensive or both. 2005 was also the year Eddie died, and the rest of that year felt like a depressing slog as a result. They didn't help matters. Orton attempted to kill Taker with Eddie's lowrider a month later.
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Post by bob on Jul 19, 2023 17:38:33 GMT -5
The Guest Host Era was brutal
2002-06 was awful too
I hate this current Roman reign of staleness
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 19, 2023 18:54:23 GMT -5
2009.
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Post by clc on Jul 19, 2023 23:56:41 GMT -5
I'm seeing lots of (well deserved) hate for the Guest Host era...but we all agree the Muppets episode was awesome right?!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 20, 2023 0:05:14 GMT -5
I'm seeing lots of (well deserved) hate for the Guest Host era...but we all agree the Muppets episode was awesome right?! Every bad run has good bits scattered in them, and vice versa. There’s never been a time where WWE has been 100% good or 100% bad.
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Post by Fade on Jul 20, 2023 1:44:29 GMT -5
I missed the new generation era. This time period was just vince at his dirt-absolute-worst. Shit was depressing.
Worse than the raw celeb host era and that general time period sucked too.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jul 20, 2023 4:23:08 GMT -5
Just to expand, part of why 2019 was so bad was that they didn't seem to have an idea of how to make good use even of their success stories. Becky had become perhaps the biggest star in the company in late 2018/early 2019, but then the WM 35 build was confused with them seemingly unsure of whether she should be an underdog or a badass and trying to make her both, and then their big feud for her after reaching the pinnacle of winning two belts in the main-event of Wrestlemania was....a three-month feud with Lacey Evans, previously featured walking up and down the ramp each week.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 20, 2023 5:37:24 GMT -5
I'm seeing lots of (well deserved) hate for the Guest Host era...but we all agree the Muppets episode was awesome right?! As EoE said, there were sprinkles of good in all the garbage and one of the flaws of that era was that they never really knew how to use everyone they got so for every Muppets, Hugh Jackman and A-Team (yes, I'll defend that until the day I die) episode, there's dozens of people who were there just to be there and nobody really figuring out how to mesh them with the roster and it doesn't help they only really have a week to figure that out, if that with how Vince changed things. The fact they pulled it off with The Muppets is a minor miracle. Just to expand, part of why 2019 was so bad was that they didn't seem to have an idea of how to make good use even of their success stories. Becky had become perhaps the biggest star in the company in late 2018/early 2019, but then the WM 35 build was confused with them seemingly unsure of whether she should be an underdog or a badass and trying to make her both, and then their big feud for her after reaching the pinnacle of winning two belts in the main-event of Wrestlemania was....a three-month feud with Lacey Evans, previously featured walking up and down the ramp each week. Oh yeah, one of the things I will say about this era compared to that time is that instead of going from A to B, they take a path that leads through half the alphabet before making a whole new path that people just about tolerate with genuinely no reason for it. Like, WrestleMania 35 made no more money with the three way then it did having Ronda vs. Becky, if anything it made it more confusing. Even Kofi/Bryan was full of things you'd be like "Oh, why is this happening?" and it'd be all vague and never referenced (and no, Big E's video doesn't count, that was never brought up on the shows). If the talent mostly sucked or weren't given many attempts at characters like the early 2000s lot were, I'd honestly say it was a lot worse but at the very least, the talent knew how to put matches that people cared about together.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jul 20, 2023 7:30:42 GMT -5
Early 2010s was way worse. Raw during the Guest Host era and I remember Smackdown being so incredibly boring. This was also during the time of game show era NXT. Women's division was probably at it's worst... at least by 2017 it was taken much more seriously. Same can kind of be said for the tag team division, while not great there were still actual teams like New Day, The Bar, The Usos, The Revival.
2015 was a massive stinker too. The height of Roman's horrible booking, after what he got put through he f***ing deserves his Tribal Chief run. Also.... The Authority. Enough. Said. So I'd definitely rate the later half of the 2010s being a million times better for WWE.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jul 20, 2023 7:39:46 GMT -5
I'm seeing lots of (well deserved) hate for the Guest Host era...but we all agree the Muppets episode was awesome right?! As EoE said, there were sprinkles of good in all the garbage and one of the flaws of that era was that they never really knew how to use everyone they got so for every Muppets, Hugh Jackman and A-Team (yes, I'll defend that until the day I die) episode, there's dozens of people who were there just to be there and nobody really figuring out how to mesh them with the roster and it doesn't help they only really have a week to figure that out, if that with how Vince changed things. The fact they pulled it off with The Muppets is a minor miracle. Just to expand, part of why 2019 was so bad was that they didn't seem to have an idea of how to make good use even of their success stories. Becky had become perhaps the biggest star in the company in late 2018/early 2019, but then the WM 35 build was confused with them seemingly unsure of whether she should be an underdog or a badass and trying to make her both, and then their big feud for her after reaching the pinnacle of winning two belts in the main-event of Wrestlemania was....a three-month feud with Lacey Evans, previously featured walking up and down the ramp each week. Oh yeah, one of the things I will say about this era compared to that time is that instead of going from A to B, they take a path that leads through half the alphabet before making a whole new path that people just about tolerate with genuinely no reason for it. Like, WrestleMania 35 made no more money with the three way then it did having Ronda vs. Becky, if anything it made it more confusing. Right, but even if the triple threat was meant to be the plan, they could have set that up way earlier. Even something as simple as Charlotte whining about how Fit Finlay didn’t have the authority to add Becky to the Rumble would have made more sense, rather than the whole ‘will Becky apologise???’ thing that went for weeks and made no one happy, just for a moment of troll booking (“We need Charlotte Flair!”) that didn’t even get any meaningful follow-up. And this is besides all the Becky-has-a-crutch nonsense. I imagine the Becky/Ronda build would have been weird even if it was just that singles match. Their moment on the night after the Rumble was cool, but there was still another ten weeks to go.
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