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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 22, 2023 15:46:01 GMT -5
I'm on the side of patience 100% here. Of course, it just pisses off the people who hate Trips and want Vince to have the book back entirely. Are people f***ing delusional? LA Knight would be buried into the ground if Vince came back. He only saw him as a manager for a dead end tag team... and as much as I like MMM, they showed how dead end they are with how HHH just thanos snapped them out of existence and put Maxxine with Alpha Academy.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 22, 2023 15:47:58 GMT -5
That's where I am for the most part. It seems they want him for something but it's hard to feel positive on what that might be considering the decade plus of stuff. I think there's a weird risk aversion in WWE for a while now where if they make an out of the box decision, ratings will crater and shareholders will riot outside Stamford or something. And yes, when they put the WWE title on Jinder, ratings did crater but just because an objectively dumb decision caused that to happen, that's just your audience reacting to something they didn't want. If you set up LA Knight vs. Austin Theory for SummerSlam, unless the people in the arenas suddenly decide he's a scumbag, ratings aren't going to fall of a cliff. It just won't happen, WWE are too big to fail and they're so much big to fail, they're being merged with another company too big to fail in UFC. If Knight is not booked on Summerslam, that will be ridiculous. If he isn't booked in a meaningful position on Summerslam, I think that'll be a breaking point for some people I'm still not over them booking Knight in a single segment across two nights of Mania, IN HIS F***ING HOME TOWN. I know the reactions have grown since then but the Andre showed he was mega over at that time too, it's only gotten louder since. HHH better realize what he has here, because if we're talking about hot irons in wrestling and who has them to strike, LA Knight is at the top of my list.
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Post by HIM on Jul 22, 2023 16:38:36 GMT -5
Man...
We're early into his popularity so I'm not worried much. If anything I see him either getting the US or IC title at the Rumble or Wrestlemania. There's a lot they can do with him beating midcarders before they give him that midcard belt. I see Santos being the guy to get the title soon while Knight I see him staying in the picture, getting more popular and doing what he can do to make the midcard scene flourish.
I get people love him and he's money but shit, he's only recently been getting this kind of love so don't blow it that this quick. We don't need to immediately go to "title title title" when someone gets hot especially when being associated with said hot talent helps other stars.
For example, for all the "Theory gets no reaction" comments it's clear they can use LA and Escobar to get something out of him. Like, let LA Knight team-up with Escobar (who's the champion) and see how much they can get out of that while Theory is trying to stir shit between them. Hell, have Knight team-up with Theory to give Theory SOME KIND OF PERSONALITY. I don't know if AEW is doing MJF and Cole. Copy that shit and do it with Knight and Theory and see if Theory can do something, I don't care, do it with Waller and Knight. Whatever. Have Knight go after each midcarder who's challenged for the belt proving he's the best for it. Like, there's so much material that we can write storylines for homies until Wrestlemania.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 22, 2023 16:44:39 GMT -5
I’m kind of getting tired of the whole “we need to wait to pay everything off.”
No we don’t, the guy is white hot NOW! There’s no reason not to run with him. WWE and AEW both REALLY have trouble striking while the iron is hot these days.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 22, 2023 16:44:48 GMT -5
For example, for all the "Theory gets no reaction" comments it's clear they can use LA and Escobar to get something out of him. Not being funny but John Cena couldn't get anything out of Austin Theory and he dragged The Great Khali to the best match of his entire career. The heck are LA Knight and Santos Escobar going to do?
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Post by HIM on Jul 22, 2023 16:50:11 GMT -5
For example, for all the "Theory gets no reaction" comments it's clear they can use LA and Escobar to get something out of him. Not being funny but John Cena couldn't get anything out of Austin Theory and he dragged The Great Khali to the best match of his entire career. The heck are LA Knight and Santos Escobar going to do? I say they try to help him or dare I say put him on a downward spiral so bad that his character goes back to how he was with The Way. Like him coming back to their family. We've got Knight, Escobar, Waller now, Ciampa, Gargano, all these midcarders who do everything better than Theory so yeah if he can't swim then put him with guys like him who can and hope something rubs off on him and if that doesn't work he's got The Way to fall back on.
Like, I can't believe I'm saying this but...Corbin in his worst days had more personality and was more interesting than this version of Theory. We're at a point where I don't know if it's booking or if it's just him.
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Post by J is Justice on Jul 22, 2023 16:57:35 GMT -5
I'm tired of them waiting to pull the trigger on stuff like this. It's just the US title. Give it to him and see what happens.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Jul 22, 2023 17:07:36 GMT -5
I'm a little peeved but I don't think LA Knight's push is RUINED by any means. If this was still Vince's show I'd be more skeptical but I don't think all is lost if LA loses one match.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 22, 2023 17:09:02 GMT -5
I'm fine with saving him winning the title for one of the upcoming PPVs (I'm pretty sure they're Payback/Fastlane). The idea of waiting all the way to Wrestlemania though is ludicrous. This isn't some legendary run. Theory can drop the title on any random PPV.
I'd expect Theory v Rey/Santos to be on the go-home Smackdown because realistically the US title isn't going to be on Summerslam no matter what the match is. The days of 10+ match/5+ hour shows seem to be over. Last years Summerslam had 8 matches. Night 1 of Wrestlemania had 8 matches. Night 2 of Wrestlemania had 7 matches. Summerslam already has confirmed or 99% likely:
1. Roman/Jey 2. Brock/Cody 3. Asuka/Bianca/Charlotte 4. Rhea v Raquel and/or Liv 5. Rollins/Balor 6. Gunther/Drew 7. Becky/Trish 8. Ricochet/Paul 9. Ronda/Shayna
So at this point there's already more matches than they've been doing for major shows lately. Not only the US title but both sets of tag titles I struggle to see making the card. Even Edge doesn't have a match. Or Lashley. Or Styles. There's too many names to fit everyone on the card.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jul 22, 2023 17:19:23 GMT -5
Why wouldn’t people be irritated or pissed?
With how this company is, most title changes are locked to either summerslam or wrestlemania because they’re convinced that is the only times where title changes matter and they’re big enough shows to pull them off at.
Shit look at Roman. That whole deal is still going great but we all know those titles aren’t going anywhere until next wrestlemania. Probably the same with Gunther. Likely the same with Charlotte when she wins them back and holds onto them until then.
That is what bothers me. I don’t even need LA Knight to win a title but waiting even longer and locking “big events” until months and months down the line, zzzzzzzz.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 17:29:28 GMT -5
You would think HHH of people would know not to pull the rug out from under your audience multiple times , LA Knight does not have the MITB contract so him losing is just him losing and serving no purpose.
To me it is so much more prevlent and important now in the wrestling landscape that perception is reality...when the audience rallies behind a talent organically IMO it is your job as the company to immediately captilaze but instead here the audience is being told this guy talks a big game but he is a big loser over and over and eventually it will become truth to them.
There is only so many times you can f*** around with your audience before they just descide this aint f***ing worth it and move onto the next thing whatever it may be.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jul 22, 2023 17:51:11 GMT -5
For example, for all the "Theory gets no reaction" comments it's clear they can use LA and Escobar to get something out of him. Not being funny but John Cena couldn't get anything out of Austin Theory and he dragged The Great Khali to the best match of his entire career. The heck are LA Knight and Santos Escobar going to do? Something tells me that a LA Knight/Theory fued would slap. Golden boy Theory vs LA Knight, the veteran who it took near 20 years to get to the top shutting the Punk kid up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 17:53:25 GMT -5
Problem is HHH is incredibly stubborn and when Knight started getting over during the build to the rumble it was reported HHH sees this and Knight will get a big push post mania. Then post mania time arrived and Knight wasn’t getting a push he was barely on TV. You can say a ton bad about Vince but he showed a willingness to change his thinking when people truly got over look at Austin,Bryan,Becky even Kofi got a Mania world title win under Vince. Under HHH none of that would have happened.
The biggest problem with both main companies right now is the booker is too damn stubborn and afraid to strike when the iron is hot. They think these people will still be as hot 6 months a year down the line and that’s highly unlikely.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 22, 2023 23:05:52 GMT -5
Triple H and Tony Khan are both guilty of this honestly.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 22, 2023 23:42:29 GMT -5
Wonder if this due to HHH not necessarily being stubborn, but not knowing how to call an audible and adjust the rest of the show's stories in accordance. Like he has a long term storybook and he doesn't have the skill set just yet to adapt it
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 23, 2023 1:38:43 GMT -5
Wonder if this due to HHH not necessarily being stubborn, but not knowing how to call an audible and adjust the rest of the show's stories in accordance. Like he has a long term storybook and he doesn't have the skill set just yet to adapt it I’m inclined to agree with those. He and TK both suffer from this imo. They have their “plans” and they lack the flexibility to be able to audible when unexpected opportunities present themselves.
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Post by clifford on Jul 24, 2023 6:22:06 GMT -5
It's harder to notice or be bummed out over due to the general decent booking decisions and goodwill the WWE has built up over the last 12 months, but this is classic 'no, WE'LL tell you when to make this person a big deal, not you' WWE-style logic.
I'm thinking CM Punk when he was one of the most over acts on the roster by late 2006 but it took years for WWE to actually present him as a top guy, or Rusev during the whole 'Rusev day' period when crowds and audiences were begging to cheer and react to him but he was mostly just left off tv, or the classic Bryan & Kofi situations. This whole 'we'll push him when we want to and not when you want us to' is head scratching at the best of times, downright infuriating at the worst.
No one is asking for LA Knight to be elbowing his way to the front of the line for a crack at Roman, I think folks are just a bit exasperated cause they see 'really over guy, weak midcard champion, big event on the horizon' and everyone is putting 2+2 together besides the WWE it seems.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 24, 2023 7:57:27 GMT -5
I guess I don't see this as any sort of burial or anything, though talks him winning the Royal Rumble or something seem a bit far fetched. But I'm definitely with the people who are tired of WWE always making people wait for stuff. Wrestling is a fake sport. One of the best things about real sports is that players or teams who weren't very good or weren't highly thought of become ridiculously good out of nowhere. They should do that in wrestling more. It doesn't have to make sense. Kurt Warner and the Rams was one of the best stories in NFL history. They made a movie about it. 20 years later, it still makes no sense to me how a 28 year old guy who wasn't even on an NFL roster could go to a team who hadn't been to the playoffs in a decade and all of a sudden they are the best team in the league literally overnight. But that's what made it awesome. WWE should do stuff like that from time to time. And by doing stories like that, you are providing a reward to the people who watch all the time. Not everything needs a long epic setup.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 24, 2023 8:30:17 GMT -5
I guess I don't see this as any sort of burial or anything, though talks him winning the Royal Rumble or something seem a bit far fetched. But I'm definitely with the people who are tired of WWE always making people wait for stuff. Wrestling is a fake sport. One of the best things about real sports is that players or teams who weren't very good or weren't highly thought of become ridiculously good out of nowhere. They should do that in wrestling more. It doesn't have to make sense. Kurt Warner and the Rams was one of the best stories in NFL history. They made a movie about it. 20 years later, it still makes no sense to me how a 28 year old guy who wasn't even on an NFL roster could go to a team who hadn't been to the playoffs in a decade and all of a sudden they are the best team in the league literally overnight. But that's what made it awesome. WWE should do stuff like that from time to time. And by doing stories like that, you are providing a reward to the people who watch all the time. Not everything needs a long epic setup. This is a fair point, too. Like, I think one of WWE's problems in particular is that it feels structured and they've been unwilling to go with something without it literally being forced on them like Bryan or Kofi was. And one of them, they tried their best to dampen so much and the other was basically because Mustafa Ali got injured and Kofi put on a gauntlet performance of a lifetime to make it all happen. Also, the counter-argument of people being "But AEW does it too!" isn't exactly the strong one some of you think it is and it's boring people keep doing it. There are literally other places to talk about the booking problems of other companies.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 24, 2023 9:11:17 GMT -5
Triple H and Tony Khan are both guilty of this honestly. Nobody said Tony Khan doesn't do this though? This is a thread about LA Knight's booking.
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