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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 24, 2023 10:49:40 GMT -5
I think some of this is part of a much larger picture when it comes to how a lot of western fans see mainstream pro wrestling; I think a lot of us are big on "strike while the iron is hot" and "don't wait to do (x)" because of how often we've been burned over the years by mainstream company booking, and the general sense that sometimes the major promotions have seemingly booked themselves almost to spite the fans, so seeing a promotion hold off on a big moment feels more like a "@#$% you" than it does a "just wait a bit longer, we're almost at the fireworks factory".
Not to say you should never strike early, and not to say there shouldn't be room for surprises and quicker pushes, but yeah, sometimes it matters whether that would derail another ongoing storyline or two, and sometimes holding off on stuff like that makes it more special when it actually does happen. I keep it saying it about other ongoing pushes and storylines we have threads about now, but I think a lot of us are burned by Vince, by Russo, by WCW or much of TNA's history, to the point that we have a hard time accepting "appreciate the story in front of you, it may be pretty good even if it's not the one precise one you want" when we have years of "@#$% you, you'll take what we book and you'll like it" that makes it hard to believe there'll ultimately be a positive outcome. Even us old school ROH fans had the whole "Gabe, why are you waiting to coronate (insert obvious next world champ here), it's not adding to the story or build" memories we can recall, though those tended to hurt far less.
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Post by dangerousdanpotato on Jul 24, 2023 11:04:53 GMT -5
The guy doesn't need a belt, he needs an angle.
As others have suggested, the conditions are pretty much perfect to have him go up against Theory and take the US title, but by no means is that they only card WWE could play in capitalizing and building on his momentum.
My fear is that modern WWE doesn't have the best track record of building mid-card storylines that don't involve a belt.
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Post by salz4life on Jul 24, 2023 11:45:47 GMT -5
I'm an LA Knight fan disappointed that he didn't win... but I refuse to direct any hatred towards Santos Escobar. I like him as well and I've seen people online hating on Santos because of this. Santos is excellent, I just wish his win wasn't at the expense of LA Knight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 11:55:03 GMT -5
I'm an LA Knight fan disappointed that he didn't win... but I refuse to direct any hatred towards Santos Escobar. I like him as well and I've seen people online hating on Santos because of this. Santos is excellent, I just wish his win wasn't at the expense of LA Knight. You would think WWE would learn from their own history with daniel bryan but nope. The more WWE bitches around with this push the worse it is gonna get for those within breathing distance of LA Knight sans less than a handful on the roster...people are likely gonna start gettin their promos and just their matches in general interrupted with LA Knight chants. And WWE is gonna stubbornly wonder why it wont stop
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 24, 2023 11:59:25 GMT -5
I'm an LA Knight fan disappointed that he didn't win... but I refuse to direct any hatred towards Santos Escobar. I like him as well and I've seen people online hating on Santos because of this. Santos is excellent, I just wish his win wasn't at the expense of LA Knight. You would think WWE would learn from their own history with daniel bryan but nope. The more WWE bitches around with this push the worse it is gonna get for those within breathing distance of LA Knight sans less than a handful on the roster...people are likely gonna start gettin their promos and just their matches in general interrupted with LA Knight chants. And WWE is gonna stubbornly wonder why it wont stop If it leads to someone getting as over as Daniel Bryan, I think it’s not a bad idea then.
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Post by Nosnorb on Jul 24, 2023 16:14:49 GMT -5
You would think WWE would learn from their own history with daniel bryan but nope. The more WWE bitches around with this push the worse it is gonna get for those within breathing distance of LA Knight sans less than a handful on the roster...people are likely gonna start gettin their promos and just their matches in general interrupted with LA Knight chants. And WWE is gonna stubbornly wonder why it wont stop If it leads to someone getting as over as Daniel Bryan, I think it’s not a bad idea then. Bryan Danielson in WWE was the ultimate underdog, and is also a once in a lifetime talent. What worked for him is probably only going to work with him. And the time when Bryan was at his hottest was when he was presented as a main eventer, a dude that got the job done and beat all of Evolution to win the title in NOLA. They needed to have Knight beat Theory, who is ice cold after he ascended into Bitchalla last fall and who needs a total rebuild. Just get the hammer and absolutely twat that red hot iron.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 24, 2023 17:56:10 GMT -5
If it leads to someone getting as over as Daniel Bryan, I think it’s not a bad idea then. Bryan Danielson in WWE was the ultimate underdog, and is also a once in a lifetime talent. What worked for him is probably only going to work with him. And the time when Bryan was at his hottest was when he was presented as a main eventer, a dude that got the job done and beat all of Evolution to win the title in NOLA. They needed to have Knight beat Theory, who is ice cold after he ascended into Bitchalla last fall and who needs a total rebuild. Just get the hammer and absolutely twat that red hot iron. They also learned, like, the entirely wrong lessons from Daniel Bryan at the time, which was why people like Ziggler, Zayn (well before Bloodline) and others were beaten like a drum and were over but in the wilderness for a long time. So again, just because they stumbled into it with Bryan and they acted like it was the plan all along doesn’t mean it should be tried with everyone. By that logic, just because Rock, Foley and Austin can cut 15-20 minute promos, everyone should be able to which as we’ve learned from the last decade and change, that clearly isn’t true.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 24, 2023 18:09:43 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson in WWE was the ultimate underdog, and is also a once in a lifetime talent. What worked for him is probably only going to work with him. And the time when Bryan was at his hottest was when he was presented as a main eventer, a dude that got the job done and beat all of Evolution to win the title in NOLA. They needed to have Knight beat Theory, who is ice cold after he ascended into Bitchalla last fall and who needs a total rebuild. Just get the hammer and absolutely twat that red hot iron. They also learned, like, the entirely wrong lessons from Daniel Bryan at the time, which was why people like Ziggler, Zayn (well before Bloodline) and others were beaten like a drum and were over but in the wilderness for a long time. So again, just because they stumbled into it with Bryan and they acted like it was the plan all along doesn’t mean it should be tried with everyone. By that logic, just because Rock, Foley and Austin can cut 15-20 minute promos, everyone should be able to which as we’ve learned from the last decade and change, that clearly isn’t true. What didn’t help either was how the fanbase reacted to Cena, Sheamus in his initial babyface push and Reigns in his babyface push, where they’d seemingly do nothing BUT win (which was but a piece of that whole shit puzzle, but this whole thing is based on surface-level impressions). So either that puts them off booking dominant babyfaces or they use it as justification.
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Post by HIM on Jul 24, 2023 18:59:24 GMT -5
I didn't know Escobar was getting hated on until these past few days. Crowd's ain't even hating on him, I saw it online so I don't get it.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jul 24, 2023 21:02:32 GMT -5
I didn't know Escobar was getting hated on until these past few days. Crowd's ain't even hating on him, I saw it online so I don't get it. I don't think many people have a problem with Escobar. Their issue is with Vince and/or Hunter.
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Post by HIM on Jul 24, 2023 21:12:00 GMT -5
I didn't know Escobar was getting hated on until these past few days. Crowd's ain't even hating on him, I saw it online so I don't get it. I don't think many people have a problem with Escobar. Their issue is with Vince and/or Hunter. As they should. Most of the time it's the bookers.
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Post by DMO- on Jul 24, 2023 21:46:58 GMT -5
I’m starting to get flashbacks of Glorious Bobby Roode, was over like rover and “showcased” for a bit but never really amounted to anything even despite getting injured. I know I was the one touting the wait and see approach but seeing vids of Bobby roode on YouTube recently made me lose whatever bit of hope I had left.
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